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The Five Ages Of Punting

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As I rather feel my punting career is drawing to a close or, if not, certainly dwindling to a trickle of visits where once there were many more, I've started to reflect on the stages of (my) punting life. I wonder if these are recognisable to others and, of even more interest, I wonder if there's any equivalent taxonomy for the ladies that any of you would like to volunteer as a counterpoint to my own?

 

For me:

 

The Novice Punter: This period lasts from roughly the first punt through the six month mark but possibly earlier than that depending on the frequency of visits and the natural personality of the novitiate (the more self-confident, the shorter the period). In the Novice period punts are hallmarked by nerves, a lack of control of the progress of a visit, and a belief that one has to eat what's served regardless of whether it's satisfying. The majority of punts in this period actually aren't very good BUT the good ones can end up being among the best punts you'll ever have.  And even when not good, all punts are exciting simply for the thrill of the new and what we perceive at this point to be the risk of it all.

 

The Sophomore Punter: This period lasts from the end of the Novice stage to anywhere from between six months and five years (again depending on multiple variables) but, after the novice stage, time really matters less. During this period you tend to punt increasingly heavily in frequency, but rarely with much discretion. Your self confidence grows and you've learned what you can and can't get out of a punt and you probably become increasingly assertive in that regard, but having figured out what punting can deliver you probably generally aim more for quantity than quality. You also box check; young, old, black, white, oriental, etc. At this point, you're like a kid in a candy shop, eating as many sweets as you can to satisfy, and then overfeed yourself.

 

The Mature Punter: As, increasingly, you've done it all, in the mature years -- generally your golden age of punting -- you start to exercise real discretion. You know how the punting system works and you know what you like so you have the skill to find good fits for your needs and tastes and hone in on punts that will be rewarding. You still punt a lot (and some punts stilll don't work out), but you're getting as much out of the hobby as you ever will. You may increasingly make friends with people in the industry because you have the self confidence and are relaxed enough to do so. At this stage, you are very comfortable with yourself and the whole punting milieu.

 

The Autumn Punter: Slowly, familiarity turns to a sort of contempt. Even good punts become, increasingly, unrewarding. Often, at this stage, your punting becomes increasingly experimental; watersports, MMF, party scene, domination, whatever -- the unfamiliar has become familiar so you start to do things outside the box that years before you might never have considered. Some of these are enjoyable, often to your surprise, but few probably become keepers. Excitement has to come from the new because you've discovered that punting only feeds your body; not your soul.

 

The Farewell Punter: The wheel comes full circle. You've done everything you want to do, with everyone you want to do it with. You may well at this point have regulars you're genuinely fond of and quite likely you can afford to punt as much, or more than you have at any other stage as you're probably older and more established in life by this point. But, increasingly, paid sex becomes less rewarding and your visits start to diminish. Not deliberately; you just find there are other things to do and other ways to spend your money that deliver more.

 

The denouement of punting? I have never, in the end, seen any point in some sort of announcement of "formal retirement" such as some here are won't to post here. What's the point of retirement? I think for the "farewell stage" punt the visits just ebb and ebb until they are either rare or no more. At that point, retirement is actual, but involuntary. Even when rare, you've effectively  retired from punting. For me, a decade ago I punted at least twice a week and sometimes even more than that. Now? It's roughly once a month and that is threatening to decrease. I don't feel jaded; just that increasingly punting is no longer something I need to do anymore.

 

In the end, I'm coming to the belief that punting follows --- like everything else in life -- a sort of natural cycle. I'm sure what's happening in our personal lives also affects how the cycle plays out but either way, you don't have to force it. Once you've started punting you'll continue and I suspect following roughly the stages above, until you stop.

 

Well, apologies for the ramble. Just where my mind was at, I guess.

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"Ramble"? You call that a ramble?! It's one of the most coherent and thoughtful posts I've seen on this site.

Yes, I think you're absolutely right. How could you not be right when you say that punting follows a natural cycle "like everything else"?

May I ask how old you are? I'm 62, and am midway between the mature punter and the autumn punter (though I think "contempt" is too strong a word). I tend to look at the glass half-full. Freed of the urgent needs of a younger man, I find I can enjoy the bounty that is offered more leisurelily and more appreciatively. Yes, my cock is starting to droop too when I don't want it to (in spite of the wonders of modern medicine), but there's still plenty to enjoy.

 

(By the way, could you explain the title you've given to your post? Did something go wrong?)

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"Ramble"? You call that a ramble?! It's one of the most coherent and thoughtful posts I've seen on this site.

Yes, I think you're absolutely right. How could you not be right when you say that punting follows a natural cycle "like everything else"?

May I ask how old you are? I'm 62, and am midway between the mature punter and the autumn punter (though I think "contempt" is too strong a word). I tend to look at the glass half-full. Freed of the urgent needs of a younger man, I find I can enjoy the bounty that is offered more leisurelily and more appreciatively. Yes, my cock is starting to droop too when I don't want it to (in spite of the wonders of modern medicine), but there's still plenty to enjoy.

 

(By the way, could you explain the title you've given to your post? Did something go wrong?)

 

Yes, something went wrong. I couldn't decide initially what to title it and thought I would write it, then go back and post a title at the end depending on how the post had evolved. But when I'd written and then edited it, I hit "send" having totally forgotten to insert a title.  If Galahad or anyone reading this wants to insert a coherent title on my behalf, please feel free to do so. No need to consult me.

 

I'm in my 50s. A little younger than you, in body at least. You appear to winning the youthfulness battle between us, though!  And yes, on reflection I think "contempt" probably is too strong a word. You're right there.

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Excellent post and very, very well done Sir.

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Yes, something went wrong. I couldn't decide initially what to title it and thought I would write it, then go back and post a title at the end depending on how the post had evolved. But when I'd written and then edited it, I hit "send" having totally forgotten to insert a title.  If Galahad or anyone reading this wants to insert a coherent title on my behalf, please feel free to do so. No need to consult me.

 

Gave it a go :)

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Gave it a go :)

Excellent.

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Very interesting post!  This is the kind of context that should end up in a documentary.

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I can identify with this. The cyclical stages were different for me.  My novitiate lasted three years, followed by three years in the doldrums and then three years of maturity and satisfaction.  

Will the circle be unbroken?  

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LOL excellent post... a future classic...

 

been punting since the 90's and  although still quite youthful physically and mentality, clearly recognise myself as a mature punter...

 

not sure i like the look of autumn... somebody shoot me if i ever start asking for watersport recommendations...

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A brilliant opening post to the thread. I bet nearly all the guys over 55 can relate to most of it. At my age (67) I tend to go for massages with the possibility of a happy ending now, rather than a raunchy sex session. I made that decision after an MMF which was great, but my performance was about 10% of the other guy (who was the escorts full time partner). I felt then that a less energetic session would serve me better.

 

I would have given it an up arrow but I have used them all up (note to self  I must stop chasing kate!).

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LOL excellent post... a future classic...

 

been punting since the 90's and  although still quite youthful physically and mentality, clearly recognise myself as a mature punter...

 

not sure i like the look of autumn... somebody shoot me if i ever start asking for watersport recommendations...

 

Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it!

That might be the parabola for some of us in our decline - titivating our declining responsiveness with ever more extreme novelties - watersports, bondage, dirty talk, threesomes - all of which definitely have something to offer.

Why shoot yourself? There's pleasure to be had there, when the pleasures you've been used to give pleasure no more.

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A brilliant opening post to the thread. I bet nearly all the guys over 55 can relate to most of it. At my age (67) I tend to go for massages with the possibility of a happy ending now, rather than a raunchy sex session. I made that decision after an MMF which was great, but my performance was about 10% of the other guy (who was the escorts full time partner). I felt then that a less energetic session would serve me better.

 

 

 

Sounds like my nightmare punt.

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LOL i must admit only last week i was thinking about finding a true submissive and doing something kinky along those lines... also i'm hardly punting at the moment for various reasons...

 

so maybe autumn is around corner...  but im a good few years younger than you guys....

 

but watersports... noooooooooo way. sorry, but not for me... and i pray i will never even want to try it...

 

but if you like it then good luck with that...

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Great post. I'd give you a rep point, but I don't bother with that crap.

I'm definietly in the Sopho phase, and don't plan leaving anytime soon. I'm the over-fed kid in the sweetshop.....that fat kid in Wonka's chocolate factory :)

Would say that even in the novice phase though, I enjoyed the vast majority of my punts. I always entered the room smiling and left smiling. The thing that bothered me most was the fear of getting busted in a raid. For the first several visits I had irrational thoughts of being the inlucky one caught by the plod with my pants down.

Seriously, good post!

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"Ramble"? You call that a ramble?! It's one of the most coherent and thoughtful posts I've seen on this site.

Yes, I think you're absolutely right. How could you not be right when you say that punting follows a natural cycle "like everything else"?

May I ask how old you are? I'm 62, and am midway between the mature punter and the autumn punter (though I think "contempt" is too strong a word). I tend to look at the glass half-full. Freed of the urgent needs of a younger man, I find I can enjoy the bounty that is offered more leisurelily and more appreciatively. Yes, my cock is starting to droop too when I don't want it to (in spite of the wonders of modern medicine), but there's still plenty to enjoy.

 

(By the way, could you explain the title you've given to your post? Did something go wrong?)

 

Good response to an excellent post. I'm nearly the same age as you but have only been at this lark for about two years, so I feel I'm rushing through the stages on my way to maturity in the hope I don't get to Autumn first

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An excellent OP!

Trying to identify which age I'm in (at the age of 66). It's about Mature to Autumn, I'd say.

I certainly prefer the mature girls and that doesn't always have an age connotation.

I also once had a punt with Autumn Temptation. That was, however, in my Sophomore age.

 

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I was a late starter (at age 50) and reckon I'm still at the sophomore stage - and don't ever really want to get past mature!

Great thread!

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Reminds me of shakespeares the five? ages of man. At 57 I sense the punting clock ticking, so doing it as often as I can afford, every third day, you are right the initial phases of this hobby see lots of crap punts and money wasted,now have more or less worked out what floats my boat, and what the choreography of the encounter should be,  plus still full of sexual ambitions, all quite banal fortunately, swinger club etc,

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Excellent insight Lohengrin.

 

Having begun last year and only one (dreadful) punt in, I am most certainly a novice and wholely intend to skip the Sopho phase or at least pass through as quickly as possible. Whilst never just a means to an end — for I will always want a bit more from a booking than to simply sate corporeal desires — adventures with WGs will be predominantly for experimentation/playtime, but infrequently so and hopefully judiciously chosen women. The latter phases are too unappealing to arrive at. Nonetheless, it sounds as though it's been fulfilling and mostly jolly good fun for you.

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I seem to have compressed the "five ages" into a relatively short time.

I started just under 3 years ago and am moving into "possible winding-up phase" as I prepare for full-time retirement and living off what might be a fixed pot.

It took me a few months to learn that what best works for me is to treat each encounter as if it is a "date" and try to make the WG enjoy herself as much as possible. I have also really enjoyed introducing domination/switch games with certain girls.

I suppose I have reached "The Mature Punter" phase, where I am quite happy to combine a mixture of energetic sex / kissing + cuddling / giving the girl as much oral as she likes / a second pop for me, usually through a BBJ / sipping wine with the girl draped across me during "wind-down time" discussing mutual holiday plans and catching up with gossip. The two girls I saw this week have between them clocked up 32% of my just over 100 punts.

I have never had a "bad punt". I had a WG think that we were meeting on Tuesday, rather than the Thursday I had booked, but I made it there in 8 minutes from finding out. Recently I agreed with a girl I have yet to see that making a London trip just to see me when every other client had cancelled was really not sensible for her and had a great first meeting with Samantha of Maxes at short notice instead.

I have sent an e-mail to one of the first girls I ever booked (the "two days early one") for a "closing the circle booking" but she hasn't read it yet.

My over-riding impression is of how "grounded" the girls I have booked are.

If I do throw my punting boots away, it will be with a catalogue of great memories. A couple of them want me to keep sending them holiday pictures, though.

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As I rather feel my punting career is drawing to a close or, if not, certainly dwindling to a trickle of visits where once there were many more, I've started to reflect on the stages of (my) punting life. I wonder if these are recognisable to others and, of even more interest, I wonder if there's any equivalent taxonomy for the ladies that any of you would like to volunteer as a counterpoint to my own?

 

For me:

 

The Novice Punter: This period lasts from roughly the first punt through the six month mark but possibly earlier than that depending on the frequency of visits and the natural personality of the novitiate (the more self-confident, the shorter the period). In the Novice period punts are hallmarked by nerves, a lack of control of the progress of a visit, and a belief that one has to eat what's served regardless of whether it's satisfying. The majority of punts in this period actually aren't very good BUT the good ones can end up being among the best punts you'll ever have.  And even when not good, all punts are exciting simply for the thrill of the new and what we perceive at this point to be the risk of it all.

 

The Sophomore Punter: This period lasts from the end of the Novice stage to anywhere from between six months and five years (again depending on multiple variables) but, after the novice stage, time really matters less. During this period you tend to punt increasingly heavily in frequency, but rarely with much discretion. Your self confidence grows and you've learned what you can and can't get out of a punt and you probably become increasingly assertive in that regard, but having figured out what punting can deliver you probably generally aim more for quantity than quality. You also box check; young, old, black, white, oriental, etc. At this point, you're like a kid in a candy shop, eating as many sweets as you can to satisfy, and then overfeed yourself.

 

The Mature Punter: As, increasingly, you've done it all, in the mature years -- generally your golden age of punting -- you start to exercise real discretion. You know how the punting system works and you know what you like so you have the skill to find good fits for your needs and tastes and hone in on punts that will be rewarding. You still punt a lot (and some punts stilll don't work out), but you're getting as much out of the hobby as you ever will. You may increasingly make friends with people in the industry because you have the self confidence and are relaxed enough to do so. At this stage, you are very comfortable with yourself and the whole punting milieu.

 

The Autumn Punter: Slowly, familiarity turns to a sort of contempt. Even good punts become, increasingly, unrewarding. Often, at this stage, your punting becomes increasingly experimental; watersports, MMF, party scene, domination, whatever -- the unfamiliar has become familiar so you start to do things outside the box that years before you might never have considered. Some of these are enjoyable, often to your surprise, but few probably become keepers. Excitement has to come from the new because you've discovered that punting only feeds your body; not your soul.

 

The Farewell Punter: The wheel comes full circle. You've done everything you want to do, with everyone you want to do it with. You may well at this point have regulars you're genuinely fond of and quite likely you can afford to punt as much, or more than you have at any other stage as you're probably older and more established in life by this point. But, increasingly, paid sex becomes less rewarding and your visits start to diminish. Not deliberately; you just find there are other things to do and other ways to spend your money that deliver more.

 

The denouement of punting? I have never, in the end, seen any point in some sort of announcement of "formal retirement" such as some here are won't to post here. What's the point of retirement? I think for the "farewell stage" punt the visits just ebb and ebb until they are either rare or no more. At that point, retirement is actual, but involuntary. Even when rare, you've effectively  retired from punting. For me, a decade ago I punted at least twice a week and sometimes even more than that. Now? It's roughly once a month and that is threatening to decrease. I don't feel jaded; just that increasingly punting is no longer something I need to do anymore.

 

In the end, I'm coming to the belief that punting follows --- like everything else in life -- a sort of natural cycle. I'm sure what's happening in our personal lives also affects how the cycle plays out but either way, you don't have to force it. Once you've started punting you'll continue and I suspect following roughly the stages above, until you stop.

 

Well, apologies for the ramble. Just where my mind was at, I guess.

With respect I cannot agree with any of it.

 

You just pigeon-holed yourself and everyone else along with you !

 

Punting is what you make of it.  It's wide and diverse.  You don't all see the same ladies  it's impossible to assess your experience IMHO

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With respect I cannot agree with any of it.

 

You just pigeon-holed yourself and everyone else along with you !

 

Punting is what you make of it.  It's wide and diverse.  You don't all see the same ladies  it's impossible to assess your experience IMHO

 

Well, obviously I completely respect your right not agree with (or recognise) any of what I wrote but you are totally wrong about pigeon-holing. Did you not read what I actually wrote: "I've started to reflect on the stages of (my) punting life. I wonder if these are recognisable to others".  What I said is the OPPOSITE of pigeon holing. First, I said clearly that I was merely reflecting (out loud) and thus presenting un-finalised thoughts (reflections) for others to comment on and second. I invited others to respond...the OPPOSITE of forcing them into my box. How is either an example of pigeon-holing?

 

Yes, punting is wide and diverse. So is nature, but biologists still impose taxonomies because that's what we do and there are advantages to doing it. We categorise things, often broadly, because it gives us a framework in which to understand both them and ourselves. These frameworks don't have to be literal...no one (least of all me) is saying everything has to fit into these five neat and tidy boxes (as I made clear -- see above) but it is useful to share broad thoughts to see if they invoke recognition in others. Seeing exactly the same ladies does not preclude the broader categories being relevant any more than having only tabby cats as pets renders you unable to understand the experience of someone who owns a ginger, or the fact that both tabbies and gingers can be categorised as "cats".

 

Yes, of course punting is what you make of it but we all play on the same basic playing field and it has absolutely undeniable contours. The response to this thread proves that beyond all doubt. Not everyone agrees with my categories, but everyone seems to broadly recognise if not them then something similar. I think your response is, while entirely reasonable that you hold the view you do because it's yourown individual view, not very well thought out. Individuality has never precluded categorisation and broad categorisation has always served a useful purpose, even if it is no more than broad.

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Well, obviously I completely respect your right not agree with (or recognise) any of what I wrote but you are totally wrong about pigeon-holing. Did you not read what I actually wrote: "I've started to reflect on the stages of (my) punting life. I wonder if these are recognisable to others".  What I said is the OPPOSITE of pigeon holing. First, I said clearly that I was merely reflecting (out loud) and thus presenting un-finalised thoughts (reflections) for others to comment on and second. I invited others to respond...the OPPOSITE of forcing them into my box. How is either an example of pigeon-holing?

 

Yes, punting is wide and diverse. So is nature, but biologists still impose taxonomies because that's what we do and there are advantages to doing it. We categorise things, often broadly, because it gives us a framework in which to understand both them and ourselves. These frameworks don't have to be literal...no one (least of all me) is saying everything has to fit into these five neat and tidy boxes (as I made clear -- see above) but it is useful to share broad thoughts to see if they invoke recognition in others. Seeing exactly the same ladies does not preclude the broader categories being relevant any more than having only tabby cats as pets renders you unable to understand the experience of someone who owns a ginger, or the fact that both tabbies and gingers can be categorised as "cats".

 

Yes, of course punting is what you make of it but we all play on the same basic playing field and it has absolutely undeniable contours. The response to this thread proves that beyond all doubt. Not everyone agrees with my categories, but everyone seems to broadly recognise if not them then something similar. I think your response is, while entirely reasonable that you hold the view you do because it's yourown individual view, not very well thought out. Individuality has never precluded categorisation and broad categorisation has always served a useful purpose, even if it is no more than broad.

With respect.  You say five stages of punting.  Why not four or three or six even?  I respect your views and did read you, but like you say also we are all individuals.  Maybe its an age thing I don't know.

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With respect.  You say five stages of punting.  Why not four or three or six even?  I respect your views and did read you, but like you say also we are all individuals.  Maybe its an age thing I don't know.

 

Indeed, why not? Or eight, or nine. Doesn't matter. You're simply underlining my exact point; I merely said "this is my experience. What is yours? What do others think?" The whole point of this thread was to have an open discussion about what we all recognised and where we differed. From the responses thus far, I'd say my experiences are a reasonable reflection of the majority's. But the point was never to define what is true...merely to discuss commonalities.

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As I rather feel my punting career is drawing to a close or, if not, certainly dwindling to a trickle of visits where once there were many more, I've started to reflect on the stages of (my) punting life. I wonder if these are recognisable to others and, of even more interest, I wonder if there's any equivalent taxonomy for the ladies that any of you would like to volunteer as a counterpoint to my own?

 

For me:

 

The Novice Punter: This period lasts from roughly the first punt through the six month mark but possibly earlier than that depending on the frequency of visits and the natural personality of the novitiate (the more self-confident, the shorter the period). In the Novice period punts are hallmarked by nerves, a lack of control of the progress of a visit, and a belief that one has to eat what's served regardless of whether it's satisfying. The majority of punts in this period actually aren't very good BUT the good ones can end up being among the best punts you'll ever have.  And even when not good, all punts are exciting simply for the thrill of the new and what we perceive at this point to be the risk of it all.

 

The Sophomore Punter: This period lasts from the end of the Novice stage to anywhere from between six months and five years (again depending on multiple variables) but, after the novice stage, time really matters less. During this period you tend to punt increasingly heavily in frequency, but rarely with much discretion. Your self confidence grows and you've learned what you can and can't get out of a punt and you probably become increasingly assertive in that regard, but having figured out what punting can deliver you probably generally aim more for quantity than quality. You also box check; young, old, black, white, oriental, etc. At this point, you're like a kid in a candy shop, eating as many sweets as you can to satisfy, and then overfeed yourself.

 

The Mature Punter: As, increasingly, you've done it all, in the mature years -- generally your golden age of punting -- you start to exercise real discretion. You know how the punting system works and you know what you like so you have the skill to find good fits for your needs and tastes and hone in on punts that will be rewarding. You still punt a lot (and some punts stilll don't work out), but you're getting as much out of the hobby as you ever will. You may increasingly make friends with people in the industry because you have the self confidence and are relaxed enough to do so. At this stage, you are very comfortable with yourself and the whole punting milieu.

 

The Autumn Punter: Slowly, familiarity turns to a sort of contempt. Even good punts become, increasingly, unrewarding. Often, at this stage, your punting becomes increasingly experimental; watersports, MMF, party scene, domination, whatever -- the unfamiliar has become familiar so you start to do things outside the box that years before you might never have considered. Some of these are enjoyable, often to your surprise, but few probably become keepers. Excitement has to come from the new because you've discovered that punting only feeds your body; not your soul.

 

The Farewell Punter: The wheel comes full circle. You've done everything you want to do, with everyone you want to do it with. You may well at this point have regulars you're genuinely fond of and quite likely you can afford to punt as much, or more than you have at any other stage as you're probably older and more established in life by this point. But, increasingly, paid sex becomes less rewarding and your visits start to diminish. Not deliberately; you just find there are other things to do and other ways to spend your money that deliver more.

 

The denouement of punting? I have never, in the end, seen any point in some sort of announcement of "formal retirement" such as some here are won't to post here. What's the point of retirement? I think for the "farewell stage" punt the visits just ebb and ebb until they are either rare or no more. At that point, retirement is actual, but involuntary. Even when rare, you've effectively  retired from punting. For me, a decade ago I punted at least twice a week and sometimes even more than that. Now? It's roughly once a month and that is threatening to decrease. I don't feel jaded; just that increasingly punting is no longer something I need to do anymore.

 

In the end, I'm coming to the belief that punting follows --- like everything else in life -- a sort of natural cycle. I'm sure what's happening in our personal lives also affects how the cycle plays out but either way, you don't have to force it. Once you've started punting you'll continue and I suspect following roughly the stages above, until you stop.

 

Well, apologies for the ramble. Just where my mind was at, I guess.

 

I am sadly at this stage. Not through hoice Imay add. Doctor put me on anti-depresseants as I was under some stress at the time. Not had a stiffie since. I am 78 and up till now could still raise a smile on a lady, (might have been the money though). Dont go on anti-depressants if you still want a sex life.

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