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Hardly Screening Clients

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About half of the girls I've seen for in-call for the first time, and almost all of the tantric masseuses, were happy to be contacted by an initial brief email requesting the date & time, then a quick text on the morning of the booking to confirm the appointment and return their adress. So at no point did I actually speak to them, nor refer them to my AW profile or any other means to identify some more about myself - or even give much about what I expected from the session. From my point of view this is all part of the excitement of the unknown encounter. But it struck me that the girls really had no idea who was going to walk through their door. Of course in my case they would be pleasantly surprised ;-)) But trying to see the setup from the girls' point of view, this seems like they're taking quite a risk. Not just a potentially nasty client, but someone much older, younger, weirder or just god-awful uglier than they would like to spend any time with! So I'm wondering if this is as common as it seems to me, and how the ladies on this forum view such uncertainty when taking a booking.

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But it struck me that the girls really had no idea who was going to walk through their door. Of course in my case they would be pleasantly surprised ;-)) But trying to see the setup from the girls' point of view, this seems like they're taking quite a risk. Not just a potentially nasty client, but someone much older, younger, weirder or just god-awful uglier than they would like to spend any time with! So I'm wondering if this is as common as it seems to me, and how the ladies on this forum view such uncertainty when taking a booking.

 

Playing devil's advocate for a moment: how is the text in bold relevant so long as the client is courteous and doesn't engender any unease? Call me a fluffy, but are they not worthy of some sort of physical intimacy, even if they have to pay for it? The text underlined in italics ought to be, I feel, the primary concern. 

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Even a telephone call does not reduce the uncertainty much. A nutter can sound normal on the phone. At least according to Bates motel and silence of the lambs ..saw it on tv so must be true.

Same for guys ... We see pics of a nice girl and talk to her. But never sure who will be behind the door.

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Phone call reduces the chances of him being drunk, drugged(and believe it or not I've dodged a few this way), also increases the chances of him not being too nervous to actually go through with the meet and cuts down the possibility of someone underage, female being nosy. Phone contact means either party can cancel or get in touch on the way should anything go wrong, or lose their sense of direction. It also provides a slight chance of tracing the person if they are an attacker. Doesn't matter if it's a disposable pay as you go phone topped up with cash, if the crime is serious enough then it's surprising what can be found. Number of blokes (and I assume it would be the same if it were women visiting us), who misinterpret even good directions and addresses is very high, plus many TWs aren't going to bother with phone calls to confirm. Of course someone really wanting to cause trouble will get through even the best of screening, however it does eliminate those a bit further down the intent on trouble line.

 

Some ladies do however work successfully on email only, and that is fair enough. Wouldn't work for me.

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I assume a phone call and AW profile help but nothing is going to be 100% safe.  I also look at in from the punters side and think am I also going to be safe.  Should you be screening the escort as well.  Reviews and a chat on the phone do help me a lot and I think the lady in question is reassured that I at least sound ok.  Now whether she thinks I'm ok when she meets that another story?  I don't think being older, ugly etc comes into it.  I bet sense of humor, personality, financial stability, confidence can outweigh looks.     

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About half of the girls I've seen for in-call for the first time, and almost all of the tantric masseuses, were happy to be contacted by an initial brief email requesting the date & time, then a quick text on the morning of the booking to confirm the appointment and return their adress. So at no point did I actually speak to them, nor refer them to my AW profile or any other means to identify some more about myself - or even give much about what I expected from the session. From my point of view this is all part of the excitement of the unknown encounter. But it struck me that the girls really had no idea who was going to walk through their door. Of course in my case they would be pleasantly surprised ;-)) But trying to see the setup from the girls' point of view, this seems like they're taking quite a risk. Not just a potentially nasty client, but someone much older, younger, weirder or just god-awful uglier than they would like to spend any time with! So I'm wondering if this is as common as it seems to me, and how the ladies on this forum view such uncertainty when taking a booking.

Did you check all the rooms in the house for either a big burly bloke, or a nasty ass dog? :P

Also, could well be that someone knows her schedule and is completely prepared to act should a certain text/call not be forthcoming at a specific time.

Just because you don't know who is walking in your door, doesn't mean you are not safe. X

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I can't see someone without speaking to them on the phone, even if it's only briefly if the arrangements have been made by email. I know it's not foolproof of avoiding a nutter, but it does mean I can avoid someone whose attitude I just don't like! Sometimes they might well be perfectly nice, but if my spidey sense goes off and I have doubts then I just can't see them. 

 

We all work differently. The sad thing is, often women don't change their screening and security until they have had an unnerving experience, I know I did.

 

Also, we REALLY don't care how old or ugly a man is! Honest! We'd never make any money if we just saw ascetically pleasing men! Besides, looks don't mean a man is nice, clean, interesting or fun to be with in bed!  

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About half of the girls I've seen for in-call for the first time, and almost all of the tantric masseuses, were happy to be contacted by an initial brief email requesting the date & time, then a quick text on the morning of the booking to confirm the appointment and return their adress. So at no point did I actually speak to them, nor refer them to my AW profile or any other means to identify some more about myself - or even give much about what I expected from the session. From my point of view this is all part of the excitement of the unknown encounter. But it struck me that the girls really had no idea who was going to walk through their door. Of course in my case they would be pleasantly surprised ;-)) But trying to see the setup from the girls' point of view, this seems like they're taking quite a risk. Not just a potentially nasty client, but someone much older, younger, weirder or just god-awful uglier than they would like to spend any time with! So I'm wondering if this is as common as it seems to me, and how the ladies on this forum view such uncertainty when taking a booking.

It is important to have a telephone conversation prior to the meeting after exchanging emails and telephone number and conclude you really want to see that person.  Maybe those girls did not care who they meet and simply want your money or they lack good conversation skills etc.  

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About half of the girls I've seen for in-call for the first time, and almost all of the tantric masseuses, were happy to be contacted by an initial brief email requesting the date & time, then a quick text on the morning of the booking to confirm the appointment and return their adress. So at no point did I actually speak to them, nor refer them to my AW profile or any other means to identify some more about myself - or even give much about what I expected from the session. From my point of view this is all part of the excitement of the unknown encounter. But it struck me that the girls really had no idea who was going to walk through their door. Of course in my case they would be pleasantly surprised ;-)) But trying to see the setup from the girls' point of view, this seems like they're taking quite a risk. Not just a potentially nasty client, but someone much older, younger, weirder or just god-awful uglier than they would like to spend any time with! So I'm wondering if this is as common as it seems to me, and how the ladies on this forum view such uncertainty when taking a booking.

In the six years I have been doing this, I have encountered a broad spectrum of screening procedures. At one end of the spectrum there are the girls happy to accept bookings via anonymous text and never speak to the client before he knocks on the door, through to those who seem to have watched too many episodes of the Crystal Maze and make you jump through a series of hoops before opening their front door.

A happy medium is probably best. I rarely confirm a booking these days without speaking to the WG (or at least who I hope is the WG) on the phone. You can tell so much from a short teleconversation. I assume it works the other way as well.

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I've only once met a girl without speaking to her until we met up - she was a Hungarian who spoke very little English.

Initial contact was via email on AW, telling me which hotel she was workiing in, then via text messages on the day. Judging by the very good English in the text messages I assumed that someone else was doing all the texting for her (she is part of a group of Hungarian girls on AW, all working in Brum)

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I've only once met a girl without speaking to her until we met up - she was a Hungarian who spoke very little English.

Initial contact was via email on AW, telling me which hotel she was workiing in, then via text messages on the day. Judging by the very good English in the text messages I assumed that someone else was doing all the texting for her (she is part of a group of Hungarian girls on AW, all working in Brum)

This is a very common way or working for EE girls and one of the reasons I tend to avoid these mass produced here today, gone tomorrow type profiles.

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That group have been on AW for a couple of years.

There's a core of four girls who've remained the same, and a couple who are there for a couple of months at a time.

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Some SPs do appear to work without any security and that's a worry for them tho agree some will have unseen means of staying safer.

 

I was surprised anyone would say older, younger uglier would be almost an alarm call to refuse an appointment. I'm not saying all us older, uglier, younger types are sweet but most SPs would accept they come with the job (other than below a certain young age and I suppose if old enough to be likely to peg out).

 

I think the poster who did the underlining, italics and bold in a quote got it mixed up and not the right sections are differentiated in the right way.

 

I have come across some profiles that want some pics sent first to let them judge if their is any shared attraction etc. I avoid those for obvious reasons but do not decry them the right to take the steps they choose to work by.

 

Most ladies I see have apparently done no screening - i.e. email and nothing else. Talking on phone seems a good thing to do as described by Strawberry and Lydia above..

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...... either a big burly bloke, or a nasty ass dog? :P

.............

 

Damn - I thought you liked me.  {^_^}

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Damn - I thought you liked me.  { ^_^}

 

I do, that's why I left the dog in kitchen.  ^_^  ;)

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Some SPs do appear to work without any security and that's a worry for them tho agree some will have unseen means of staying safer.

 

I was surprised anyone would say older, younger uglier would be almost an alarm call to refuse an appointment. I'm not saying all us older, uglier, younger types are sweet but most SPs would accept they come with the job (other than below a certain young age and I suppose if old enough to be likely to peg out).

 

I think the poster who did the underlining, italics and bold in a quote got it mixed up and not the right sections are differentiated in the right way.

 

I have come across some profiles that want some pics sent first to let them judge if their is any shared attraction etc. I avoid those for obvious reasons but do not decry them the right to take the steps they choose to work by.

 

Most ladies I see have apparently done no screening - i.e. email and nothing else. Talking on phone seems a good thing to do as described by Strawberry and Lydia above..

Gut instinct for the women is their biggest safety net. Over time when you chat to prospective clients on the phone by asking the right questions and listening carefully to the answers you get a feel for genuine guys, timewasters, idiot's and dangerous clients. It's far from fool proof but most indies I know swear by their gut instinct, so if something doesn't seem right after speaking to the guy then they won't move forward with the booking.

I worked for years using gut instinct. I never once took a booking without speaking to the guy on the phone first. I never took a booking from email alone, unless I was in a hotel on tour and even then I had security not too far away but still after years of watching my back and using every available safeguards I still fell foul of a bad client.

I really don't like hearing about women that will just turn up on a booking without any safeguards put in place. I know it goes on but it's still a worry and should be for clients too.

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Gut instinct for the women is their biggest safety net. Over time when you chat to prospective clients on the phone by asking the right questions and listening carefully to the answers you get a feel for genuine guys, timewasters, idiot's and dangerous clients. It's far from fool proof but most indies I know swear by their gut instinct, so if something doesn't seem right after speaking to the guy then they won't move forward with the booking.

I worked for years using gut instinct. I never once took a booking without speaking to the guy on the phone first. I never took a booking from email alone, unless I was in a hotel on tour and even then I had security not too far away but still after years of watching my back and using every available safeguards I still fell foul of a bad client.

I really don't like hearing about women that will just turn up on a booking without any safeguards put in place. I know it goes on but it's still a worry and should be for clients too.

Agree entirely, listening to gut instinct is essential, and of  course speaking to a man gives you an idea of how he might be in the booking. If he is rude or pushing boundaries on phone I won't see him.  A man might be perfectly nice in email but get him on phone and he says Do you do anal? I say no and if he starts all that 'Oh go on, I'll be really gentle' kind of thing then I won't see him.

 

It worries me when I hear of women going off to private address by themselves without security checks and even to hotels without speaking to the man in his room before they leave. Not just dangerous men out there but timewasters and pranksters. 

 

Any man that questions my security processes won't get a booking! It makes me cross when men on here chunter about 'jumping through hoops' to get a booking...

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Strawberry summed it up nicely.

 

I also prefer at leaste one phone-contact before meeting, to sense the mood, so to speak.

 

but OTOH, if emails and text are coherent and smell "clean and routine", then I can understand the girl can take the risk. 

 

no worries, from my early days I know: clever girls have a real sharp bullshit antenna... 

one wrong comma, and they'll use any-doubt-out to weasel an excuse..Cant blame them.

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Agree entirely, listening to gut instinct is essential, and of  course speaking to a man gives you an idea of how he might be in the booking. If he is rude or pushing boundaries on phone I won't see him.  A man might be perfectly nice in email but get him on phone and he says Do you do anal? I say no and if he starts all that 'Oh go on, I'll be really gentle' kind of thing then I won't see him.

 

It worries me when I hear of women going off to private address by themselves without security checks and even to hotels without speaking to the man in his room before they leave. Not just dangerous men out there but timewasters and pranksters. 

 

Any man that questions my security processes won't get a booking! It makes me cross when men on here chunter about 'jumping through hoops' to get a booking...

 

Agree.

but had to laugh a bit a the last sentence.

 

Jumping through hoops though... 

there are some (probably not you, but some) :  

"stand at disabled-parking, now turn around three times, then face ASDA and jump two tlles to the north-east, now move your phone to the other ear..." Routines from girls that make you grin a lot.

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At one end of the spectrum there are the girls happy to accept bookings via anonymous text and never speak to the client before he knocks on the door, through to those who seem to have watched too many episodes of the Crystal Maze and make you jump through a series of hoops before opening their front door.

It makes me cross when men on here chunter about 'jumping through hoops' to get a booking...

I guess that is a dig at me.

I have had a booking where the girl (after days pleasant emailing and discussing the booking) directs you to a tube station and asks you to call her on arrival. Then you just get voicemail. Then she phones back and asks you to wait 10 mins in the freezing rain. Then she phones again and gives you convoluted verbal instructions to walk at least 10 mins in the still freezing rain. You get lost because you don't know the area and her accent was very strong. Then you phone again and she talks you in. Once you reach the designated place, another phone call ensues and she asks you to stand in a particular spot on a street corner (presumably so she can look out of her bedroom window and see if you meet her criteria as a punter), still in the pouring rain. Then you are deemed one of the lucky ones and called back and told the specific address. By now 30 mins of your carefully hoarded punt time has elapsed, you are frozen to the marrow, soaked through and feel less like shag than you can ever remember. That IS jumping through hoops Lydia, at least in my book.

I am all for appropriate security measures. Some girls (not many) take it to extremes.

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Agree.

but had to laugh a bit a the last sentence.

 

Jumping through hoops though... 

there are some (probably not you, but some) :  

"stand at disabled-parking, now turn around three times, then face ASDA and jump two tlles to the north-east, now move your phone to the other ear..." Routines from girls that make you grin a lot.

I once asked someone to get to a particular car park then give me a call for my apartment number. His response was "no I dont leave home without the full address as Im not running around all over the place calling you from ten different landmarks thank you" my response was "thats okay, the carpark is a 30 second slow walk from  my front door and parked right next to my building which you could see the front door of from any point in that car park which is a tiny 15 car car park but I shall cancel your booking as thats clearly a hoop too far". He texted back an apology and saying that he would call me from the car park but I told him not to bother. I really can't be doing with men who think they are more important. As far as Im concerned we are all of equal importance and I wouldnt dream of directing a client to a dodgy place to park so why should a client expect me to give my apartment number out to someone I have never met who may turn out to be a dodgy fucker who just collects addresses for fun or worse just to post on some anti escorting noticeboard somewhere. Only guys who are genuine get my apartment number. 

 

I can understand that guys get pissed off with having to go here there and everywhere but dont assume because a girl asks you to get to a certain point that she is then going to send you to several other places along the way as its not always the case

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I guess that is a dig at me.

I have had a booking where the girl (after days pleasant emailing and discussing the booking) directs you to a tube station and asks you to call her on arrival. Then you just get voicemail. Then she phones back and asks you to wait 10 mins in the freezing rain. Then she phones again and gives you convoluted verbal instructions to walk at least 10 mins in the still freezing rain. You get lost because you don't know the area and her accent was very strong. Then you phone again and she talks you in. Once you reach the designated place, another phone call ensues and she asks you to stand in a particular spot on a street corner (presumably so she can look out of her bedroom window and see if you meet her criteria as a punter), still in the pouring rain. Then you are deemed one of the lucky ones and called back and told the specific address. By now 30 mins of your carefully hoarded punt time has elapsed, you are frozen to the marrow, soaked through and feel less like shag than you can ever remember. That IS jumping through hoops Lydia, at least in my book.

I am all for appropriate security measures. Some girls (not many) take it to extremes.

I guess the trick is to ask for her street name before you leave and post code. If she is in a town location that should be perfectly fine. If she is in a very rural location though then its not so fine if her house is the only house the postcode applies too. 

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I guess the trick is to ask for her street name before you leave and post code. If she is in a town location that should be perfectly fine. If she is in a very rural location though then its not so fine if her house is the only house the postcode applies too. 

There isn't any trick, it's about applying common sense. I'm upfront about my procedure and there are no surprises.

 

I don't understand phoning from the tube station, I mean how does she know you are there and not phoning from Timbuktu, equally the guy doesn't have a clue and can't allow time to get to his appointment. I don't want to be wasting ten or twenty minutes directing someone around the block and back, I want them with me having their appointment.

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There isn't any trick, it's about applying common sense. I'm upfront about my procedure and there are no surprises.

 

I don't understand phoning from the tube station, I mean how does she know you are there and not phoning from Timbuktu, equally the guy doesn't have a clue and can't allow time to get to his appointment. I don't want to be wasting ten or twenty minutes directing someone around the block and back, I want them with me having their appointment.

I wasnt talking about us, I was talking about the punters. If they dont at least get most of the address then cancel the booking. I am also upfront about my procedures but very clearly a lot of women are not other wise guys wouldnt be complaining that they get sent around the houses sometimes.

 

I agree that some guys do not listen when you give them instructions, they dont even listen sometimes when you say "okay look to your left" because what they are describing they can see is very clearly to their right as I can see them from my window looking in the wrong direction but still, plenty of girls do give convoluted and long winded ways of getting to them. Why not just give out the address without the house number if you live on a long street or in a building with lots of apartments, a guy is hardly going to knock on every door in an attempt to surprise you is he.

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I guess the trick is to ask for her street name before you leave and post code. If she is in a town location that should be perfectly fine. If she is in a very rural location though then its not so fine if her house is the only house the postcode applies too.

I did Chloe. She refused to supply it saying that she lived "near the tube station and would direct me when I arrived". I could have refused the booking there and then but took her on face value that her process was reasonable. Alas, that day was not my best :D.

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