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Tomorrow's Euro Elections In The United Kingdom

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If you are one of the significant majority of voters who don't intend to vote in tomorrow's Euro elections, why not cast your vote solely with a view to returning as many MEPs as possible who won’t support anti-prostitution legislation.

 

See my rough guide at http://www.punternet.com/forum/index.php/topic/34630-european-parliament-plenary-vote-27214-on-report-on-sexual-exploitation-and-prostitution/?p=612780

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If you are one of the significant majority of voters who don't intend to vote in tomorrow's Euro elections, why not cast your vote solely with a view to returning as many MEPs as possible who won’t support anti-prostitution legislation.

 

See my rough guide at http://www.punternet.com/forum/index.php/topic/34630-european-parliament-plenary-vote-27214-on-report-on-sexual-exploitation-and-prostitution/?p=612780

no mention of UKIP.  I am not aware there is any UKIP policy on hookering.  but then neither do the tories. 

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no mention of UKIP.  I am not aware there is any UKIP policy on hookering.  but then neither do the tories. 

There is no such thing as a UKIP policy. Farage makes it up as he goes along and doesn't trust any other party members to say a word in public since they are all loonies, closet racists and bonkers.

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There is no such thing as a UKIP policy. Farage makes it up as he goes along and doesn't trust any other party members to say a word in public since they are all loonies, closet racists and bonkers.

 

going to be a lot of loonies, closet racists and bonkers people around tomorrow. They reckon UKIP may get 30% of the vote.

 

If they are likely to have MP's I think its reasonable to ask what their policy is.

me, I reckon Farage is a punter.  Certainly goes to lap dancing places.

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I'm voting UKIP- only way to stop EU rule and mass immigration.

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I'm voting UKIP- only way to stop EU rule and mass immigration.

I wouldn't trust your average UKIP candidate to take my dog for a walk, let alone to negotiate a new deal for Britain in Europe AND develop and implement a balanced immigration policy. You, my friend, are in for a disappointment.

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I reckon Farage is a punter.

I reckon you may be right. Here's a 2010 Farage quote from a Telegraph interview

‘Yes, but I am also a libertarian. I think prostitution, for instance, should be decriminalised and regulated. I feel that about drugs, too. I don’t do them myself but I think the war on drugs does more harm than the drugs themselves. I am opposed to the hunting ban and the smoking ban, too. What have they got to do with government? The one thing I cannot be accused of is hypocrisy.’.

Interesting that he denied being a drug user but not a punter :D

Maybe there is something redeeming about the old buffer after all.

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going to be a lot of loonies, closet racists and bonkers people around tomorrow. They reckon UKIP may get 30% of the vote.

 

If they are likely to have MP's I think its reasonable to ask what their policy is.

me, I reckon Farage is a punter.  Certainly goes to lap dancing places.

But on a reduced turn out. As we say in the world of Engineering "five eighths of f*ck all is still f*ck all!"

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I wouldn't trust your average UKIP candidate to take my dog for a walk, let alone to negotiate a new deal for Britain in Europe AND develop and implement a balanced immigration policy. You, my friend, are in for a disappointment.

Would ANY of them NOT be a disappointing bundle of broken promises and forgotten pre election agendas though?

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I'm not in love with every single UKIP candidate- in politics you just have to vote for 'the least bad option' at worst. I do think UKIP have got some good ideas though. I know one of the candidates who'll be elected as an MEP too- he will have more academic intelligence than anyone on this forum probably.

 

What are the alternatives? Labour who've let in millions of immigrants and want state control and biometric ID cards? Lib Dems are even more pro the Euro project than Labour. The Conservatives do have some decent ideas, but are split over Europe.

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But on a reduced turn out. As we say in the world of Engineering "five eighths of f*ck all is still f*ck all!"

Even if they dont get far hopefully they will at least get enough votes to give the other parties a smart kick up the backside. Immigration has gone bonkers and we pay europe 55 million a day for the privilege of having to rely on america banging up a terrorist who has been on our shores causing religious hatred for years and we STILL have to pay his misses over 650 quid a week in benefits even though there is a 500 quid a week cap…she seems to be the only non working property owning jobless dolite in london who is allowed to beat this cap by the way. 

 

Cap immigration and get out of europe. Think of the services that wouldnt have to be shut down if that money stayed in this country, I'm sure the old folks would actually be able to benefit for once

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ukip are the only ones who I would trust to actually allow a referendum. Lets face it peeps. It takes  a day to create a webpage with a register to vote system where you click yes pro europe or no i want out of europe which proves that the parties that have been in power since we joined really dont give a toss what we want. 

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of electoral distrust and discontent towards the EU sweeping across much of Europe. Expect the variants of anti-EU parties to do well at the EU elections this week. The problem with the Brit version of this is that UKIP are a collection of xenophobic and racist chancers who are riding this wave of anti-EU sentiment, much of which has long been fueled by EU myths and misrepresentation being pushed by the UK press.

 

Added to this is the way UKIP have exploited voter cynicism towards the 3 main political parties by portraying themselves as anti-establishment! But they are only anti-establishment to the extent that they don't hold political power. When you consider that they are led by a well-to-do ex-stockbroker who for months has received fawning media coverage and are largely composed of disgruntled right-wing ex-Tories who espouse Thatcherite policies of privatization of public services, then I fully expect UKIP to treat the voter with the same contempt as the 3 main parties if they were to get a taste of political power

 

There are far better options out there for a protest vote than the backward thinking, establishment-leaning UKIP

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of electoral distrust and discontent towards the EU sweeping across much of Europe. Expect the variants of anti-EU parties to do well at the EU elections this week. The problem with the Brit version of this is that UKIP are a collection of xenophobic and racist chancers who are riding this wave of anti-EU sentiment, much of which has long been fueled by EU myths and misrepresentation being pushed by the UK press.

 

Added to this is the way UKIP have exploited voter cynicism towards the 3 main political parties by portraying themselves as anti-establishment! But they are only anti-establishment to the extent that they don't hold political power. When you consider that they are led by a well-to-do ex-stockbroker who for months has received fawning media coverage and are largely composed of disgruntled right-wing ex-Tories who espouse Thatcherite policies of privatization of public services, then I fully expect UKIP to treat the voter with the same contempt as the 3 main parties if they were to get a taste of political power

 

There are far better options out there for a protest vote than the backward thinking, establishment-leaning UKIP

The fact is that UKIP wont get into power, they dont have enough of a base but they are the only ones championing the current and growing feeling of discontent in regards to Europe. If they get votes the only ones you can blame are the parties who put and kept us in Europe without our say so and have thrown away our rights far more than Maggie ever did. If you can show me a party that is better then please do, they all have their rubbish side. I think people are starting to feel it may be better to take a chance than carry on as we are. Ooopsy, whats that in the news…ANOTHER housing crisis looming.

 

This is the fault of the current government. I think when it comes to the point where the masses are turning towards a party with these so called "racist" backgrounds rather than the established parties then all it does is bolster just how displeased so many are with the current European situation and the immigration policy. I have not heard anyone in UKIP suggest throwing people out of the country, I have only heard of a capping system. Just how long do you think this country can support people who move here just to live off free money and housing? To some its like going to work for a wage..go to england to collect benefits. 

 

Benefit capping has come in, this proves that the system cannot cope, to be honest its about bloody time. Our hands are too tied by Europe and thats governed by people who only have their own finances and power in their minds. The united Europe they espouse will not work, history has proven this and its been played out time and time again. The united Kingdom is one of the few examples left of nations joining together that area actually still together and even thats shaky at the moment. 

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I shall be voting for Andrew Duff (Lib Dem) because he voted against Honeyball's nonsense. Well done Carnival for having the patience to wade through the results to find out who did what.

 

When I emailed all the MEPs in my region (although not the Labour ones whom I assumed would all support Honeyball) I got the below response from the UKIP chap.

 

At least he recognises that legislation will not stop people paying for sex, although I do not agree with his contention that the issue only concerns women. As a male punter and libertarian I feel the issue concerns me very much as well.

I have no idea if his view is the official UKIP line on commercial sex.


 

So, for what it is worth:


 

Dear Mr XXXXXX

 

Thank you for your email dated 25th February 2014.

 

This was an 'Initiative Vote'  so it has no legal force.  It passed by 343-149.

 

As you may know, the UKIP MEPs were elected on a platform of withdrawal from the EU and, as such, have no mandate to either support or encourage the unelected European Commission to legislate.

 

I abstained on the final vote because I believe that this is a personal issue for women. I am a man. Some women want freedom of choice over whether to receive money for sex. Other women feel that such activity is degrading, unhealthy and dangerous.

I voted in favour of amendments that wished this matter to be discussed at member state level, rather than EU level.

 

I believe that however much well-meaning people try to legislate in this area, they will never stop the oldest profession in the world.

 

Best wishes,

 

Stuart Agnew MEP

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I was under the impression I would be able to vote for a candidate, but as it turned out I could only vote for a party. So I gave my vote to Alyn Smith and Ian Hudghton's party (SNP) (they both voted against the Honeyball recommendation).

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There does seem to be an undercurrent of electoral distrust and discontent towards the EU sweeping across much of Europe. Expect the variants of anti-EU parties to do well at the EU elections this week. The problem with the Brit version of this is that UKIP are a collection of xenophobic and racist chancers who are riding this wave of anti-EU sentiment, much of which has long been fueled by EU myths and misrepresentation being pushed by the UK press.

 

Added to this is the way UKIP have exploited voter cynicism towards the 3 main political parties by portraying themselves as anti-establishment! But they are only anti-establishment to the extent that they don't hold political power. When you consider that they are led by a well-to-do ex-stockbroker who for months has received fawning media coverage and are largely composed of disgruntled right-wing ex-Tories who espouse Thatcherite policies of privatization of public services, then I fully expect UKIP to treat the voter with the same contempt as the 3 main parties if they were to get a taste of political power

 

There are far better options out there for a protest vote than the backward thinking, establishment-leaning UKIP

 

Would you care to name a few?

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But on a reduced turn out. As we say in the world of Engineering "five eighths of f*ck all is still f*ck all!"

cant blame UKIP when the others cant get their vote out.  No-one has knocked my door.  and the posters round here are all purple.

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I haven't seen any indication of what the turnout might be although at my own polling station they said they'd been quite busy.

 

Either way, whatever the turnout, if and when UKIP win by a country mile, you can guarantee that the other parties will find some reason to say that it doesn't mean anything. 

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Not all Labour MEPs support Honeyball's proposals, quite the opposite.

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cant blame UKIP when the others cant get their vote out.  No-one has knocked my door.  and the posters round here are all purple.

I'm not blaming UKIP for the low turn out; that just happens to demonstrate the general public's low opinion of politicians in general. I happen to think that is a bad thing. but all politicians are to blame for it.

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The fact is that UKIP wont get into power, they dont have enough of a base but they are the only ones championing the current and growing feeling of discontent in regards to Europe. If they get votes the only ones you can blame are the parties who put and kept us in Europe without our say so and have thrown away our rights far more than Maggie ever did. If you can show me a party that is better then please do, they all have their rubbish side. I think people are starting to feel it may be better to take a chance than carry on as we are. Ooopsy, whats that in the news…ANOTHER housing crisis looming.

 

This is the fault of the current government. I think when it comes to the point where the masses are turning towards a party with these so called "racist" backgrounds rather than the established parties then all it does is bolster just how displeased so many are with the current European situation and the immigration policy. I have not heard anyone in UKIP suggest throwing people out of the country, I have only heard of a capping system. Just how long do you think this country can support people who move here just to live off free money and housing? To some its like going to work for a wage..go to england to collect benefits. 

 

Benefit capping has come in, this proves that the system cannot cope, to be honest its about bloody time. Our hands are too tied by Europe and thats governed by people who only have their own finances and power in their minds. The united Europe they espouse will not work, history has proven this and its been played out time and time again. The united Kingdom is one of the few examples left of nations joining together that area actually still together and even thats shaky at the moment. 

 

What??? Are you saying that the housing crisis is a a result of being in the EU? I don't think even UKIP are making that claim! The housing crisis is the result of the lack of supply of affordable housing for over the last 3 decades, and that's a direct result of government policy - both Tory & (New) Labour. You can't pin the Right to Buy and preventing the building of social housing on the EU!

 

UKIP may not call for people to be thrown out of the UK - that's the platform of the fascist parties. But they do blame social & economic conditions on immigration, and that kinda scapegoating makes them racist. Blaming crises such as the lack of affordable housing or low pay on immigration is shallow, narrow-minded and dangerous. The fact that UK is for many a low-pay economy is a direct result of government policy which provides the conditions by which major employers can provide jobs on zero-hour contracts and then expect the state to subsidize low-pay by forcing workers to rely on benefits in order to survive. Its the employers, not the immigrants, who are forcing low pay and zero hour contracts on the UK economy

 

Studies after studies are showing that the overwhelming majority of immigrants to the UK are here to work, that they pay taxes and that they predominantly living in private rented accommodation. It's not immigration which places a growing demand on the UK benefits system - its a combination of high rents and low pay, which is why the vast majority of housing benefit claims are made by people actually in work.

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Would you care to name a few?

 

Green Party, Respect, socialist party, independent, spoil your ballot paper, don't vote ....... all these are better options than casting a vote for a xenophobic, racist party

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