Vin DaLoo

Income From Prostitution To Be Included In Gdp

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and that it would be impossible to measure illegal activities as accurately as other components of GDP

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Surely the government knows that prostitution is not illegal...

 

5 billion?  what are there 35 million males in the UK.  some are under 18 some over 90 so call it 25.

 

90% dont punt so call it 2.5million punters

 

punt is 100 so one punt each is 250 million.  So we punt 20 times each.  Well done boys!

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That is some very iffy arithmetic going on there.............

 

I would say more like  500,000 punters so then you get an average per punter of £10600 which is a fuck of a lot of money and clearly a very unreal number.  I would be interested to know where the £5.3Bn comes from as I don't believe it.

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Lies, damned lies and statistics....

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"sex work generated £5.3bn for the economy that year, with another £4.4bn lift from a combination of cannabis, heroin, powder cocaine, crack cocaine, ecstasy and amphetamines"

 

I can rest easy now knowing that I haven't missed out on some of life's more risky drug-related pleasures, that there is no need to check out the experiences on offer from the drugs list, because in money terms paid for sexy time is better than all those drugs COMBINED.

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Lies, damned lies and statistics....

Lies, damned lies and government statistics....

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My contribution to the economy has finally been recognised.

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Somewhere recently I read that on average, people in the UK have one tit and one testicle.

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If we take the oft-quoted statistic of there being 100,000 Sex Workers in the UK then that would mean that on average they earn £530 per annum

 

Now we've heard of Dusty Phone Syndrome, but one of those stats can't be right, surely?

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Nah its your arithmetic thats stuffed.

 

Its £53K pa.

 

Sounds about right.

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That is some very iffy arithmetic going on there.............

 

 

 

was the point i was making - the 5 Billion is crazy.  so is the 100K sexworkers.  sex workers might get 50k each but since 5Billion is not spent, there are not 100k of them

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Excellent argument against the Swedish system. We woudn't want to upset the economic recovery would we.

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Nah its your arithmetic thats stuffed.

 

Its £53K pa.

 

Sounds about right.

D'oh! - just as well my business doesn't deal in such big numbers.

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was the point i was making - the 5 Billion is crazy.  so is the 100K sexworkers.  sex workers might get 50k each but since 5Billion is not spent, there are not 100k of them

 

if you do a search on aw, female escort, logged on in the last week you get 14156 hits

and that doesnt include parlour girls and girls that work through agencies who may not be on AW

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That is some very iffy arithmetic going on there.............

 

I would say more like  500,000 punters so then you get an average per punter of £10600 which is a fuck of a lot of money and clearly a very unreal number.  I would be interested to know where the £5.3Bn comes from as I don't believe it.

 

I don't believe the £5.3bn figure either. I can't believe that the sex industry is bigger than the illegal drugs industry.

 

As I recall the figures used  in the Home Office's "Paying the Price" (2004/5)  consultation papers were 80,000 prostitutes in the UK.  This report says 60,879 in 2009. IMHO that's far too low.

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I think I might send my CV in to the ONS and offer to help out on the research. Good move, but do people take notice of the GDP figures, with or without punting activity / contribution included???? Are we all feeling this supposed GDP growth? Inequality is rising folks....watch it all unravel over the next 10yrs...the have's and the have nots....sorry for going off on a tangent. well done to everyone for contributing to the econominc activity of the country!

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100000 would be one female in every 300 in the UK.

 

We need to cross off the young and old. So maybe around 1 in 100 of a suitable age.

 

This has got to be too high, surely.

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I think I might send my CV in to the ONS and offer to help out on the research. Good move, but do people take notice of the GDP figures, with or without punting activity / contribution included???? Are we all feeling this supposed GDP growth? Inequality is rising folks....watch it all unravel over the next 10yrs...the have's and the have nots....sorry for going off on a tangent. well done to everyone for contributing to the econominc activity of the country!

The population is increasing faster than the GDP, so the GDP per head, I.e. What you might be expected to experience as a change in personal income, is actually decreasing.

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The population is increasing faster than the GDP, so the GDP per head, I.e. What you might be expected to experience as a change in personal income, is actually decreasing.

 

quite

thats immigration then :(

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I don't believe the £5.3bn figure either. I can't believe that the sex industry is bigger than the illegal drugs industry.

 

As I recall the figures used  in the Home Office's "Paying the Price" (2004/5)  consultation papers were 80,000 prostitutes in the UK.  This report says 60,879 in 2009. IMHO that's far too low.

 

Exactly this.  I don't believe it either and I didn't want to be the first to mention it and derail the thread.  A recent assessment of dark net transactions showed the UK in second place after the US for drug consumption.

 

Perhaps it's possible to more accurately estimate approximate numbers of WGs and extrapolate financial figures, but you can't possibly count dealers; they have to remain anonymous to avoid detection.  

 

Overall the figures sound more like guesswork than solid analysis.  

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I think ( alas without proof ) that the ONS estimates are in the right sort of area. They are not stupidly out by a factor of two or more. In other words prostitution's contibution to GDP is between £2.65bn and £10.6bn. I would guess that they are over by about a quarter, based on ACPO estimates, New Zealand data ( one of the few countries where the %s are verifiable ) that about 1 in 300 non-pensioner adult women are on the game, and that the VAT thresh-hold of 81k puts an income suppressor on higher earners who declare.

 

But what would be really interesting for the numbers people is what the top 10% are making?

We get data such as the top 10% pay over half of all income tax ( as well as getting no child benefit, and low level use of state health and education )

And we get data such as the top 10% own 40% of the wealth in the UK.

 

So is it realistic to guess that the top 10% of active WGs are taking about half of the overall UK punting spend?

 

Or is the spread of income more equitable? Nobody really knows.

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If anyone is interested in working through the numbers I have written a fairly long post analysing the ONS calculations on the TaxRelief4escorts blog.
 
http://www.taxrelief4escorts.co.uk/blog/
 
The ONS are inviting comments on their methodology so in due course I will probably let them have my two pennyworth.

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If anyone is interested in working through the numbers I have written a fairly long post analysing the ONS calculations on the TaxRelief4escorts blog.

 

http://www.taxrelief4escorts.co.uk/blog/

 

The ONS are inviting comments on their methodology so in due course I will probably let them have my two pennyworth.

Well worth a read, thanks!

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Great blog, Jolyon.  Very funny. 

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If anyone is interested in working through the numbers I have written a fairly long post analysing the ONS calculations on the TaxRelief4escorts blog.

 

http://www.taxrelief4escorts.co.uk/blog/

 

The ONS are inviting comments on their methodology so in due course I will probably let them have my two pennyworth.

if the ONS are crap at this, what about the rest of their work.  If they cant use a proper methodology then perhaps they should be shut down.  I ranted about our useless civil service elsewhere. this is just another example.

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