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If a girl works for an agency and hands over a hefty fee each time she gets work, is it wrong for her to give her personal number out when clients ask?  

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No, but I can see why the agency wouldn't like it.  She's poaching their customers.  

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If a girl works for an agency and hands over a hefty fee each time she gets work, is it wrong for her to give her personal number out when clients ask?  

I guess it depends on the wording in the girls contract of employment by the agency, if such a written contract exists. I imagine that a smart agency would include some "non competition" clauses but I am unaware if any such case has ever come to court.

 

Actually, I would be interested to hear if agencies do use a written contract at all, or if the girls are employed on a more casual basis.

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I guess it depends on the wording in the girls contract of employment by the agency, if such a written contract exists. I imagine that a smart agency would include some "non competition" clauses but I am unaware if any such case has ever come to court.

 

Actually, I would be interested to hear if agencies do use a written contract at all, or if the girls are employed on a more casual basis.

 

I cannot see it being a contract of employment, otherwise the girl would work for the agency and receive a salary.  Furthermore the entire fee paid by the punter would be subject to VAT etc if an agency had mutiple WGs employed by them as the Agency turnover would almost certainly be over the VAT threshold.   That in itself would be a strong disincentive for such an arrangement.  

 

Technically the agency works for the WG, finding her clients in return for their fee.   Of course it may not always feel like it is the agency that is working for the WG, rather than vice versa.

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I cannot see it being a contract of employment, otherwise the girl would work for the agency and receive a salary.  Furthermore the entire fee paid by the punter would be subject to VAT etc if an agency had mutiple WGs employed by them as the Agency turnover would almost certainly be over the VAT threshold.   That in itself would be a strong disincentive for such an arrangement.  

 

Technically the agency works for the WG, finding her clients in return for their fee.   Of course it may not always feel like it is the agency that is working for the WG, rather than vice versa.

And on top of that if the girl has a contract of employment, she would have to pay PAYE and NIC on her "salary" with the agency also having to pay Employers' NIC

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I know a wg I saw started out as an indie then went down the agency route. She kept in touch with some of her indie customers who had her number and accepted bookings still charging her indie rates. The agency were aware of this as I checked with her before writing a report on a site where the agency were members and I didn't want her getting in trouble.

Whether she also gave guys who booked her via the agency her number I'm not sure. I'd guess not too many as the reason she went through the agency was to avoid dealing with too many enquiries herself as she only escorted part time.

I also know of a wg who fell foul of the same agency as they thought she was nicking their clients and they made life hell for her over on AW. Her profiles were constantly being closed down and she'd receive malicious feedback from guys she hadn't even seen.

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I know a wg I saw started out as an indie then went down the agency route. She kept in touch with some of her indie customers who had her number and accepted bookings still charging her indie rates. The agency were aware of this as I checked with her before writing a report on a site where the agency were members and I didn't want her getting in trouble.

Whether she also gave guys who booked her via the agency her number I'm not sure. I'd guess not too many as the reason she went through the agency was to avoid dealing with too many enquiries herself as she only escorted part time.

I also know of a wg who fell foul of the same agency as they thought she was nicking their clients and they made life hell for her over on AW. Her profiles were constantly being closed down and she'd receive malicious feedback from guys she hadn't even seen.

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In simple terms the agency is the go between the employed and the employer.

 

In this case the wg is the employed and the employer is you the punter. 

 

Although nobody actually wants to see it quite like that.

 

There will be statutory codes of conduct for the contractual issues, but little an agency can do to stop any arrangements between the punter and wg, if done successfully and discreetly.

 

So you can try asking the wg. If she's up for it, its on. But she might just as easily play safe and not take you up on it.

 

But I expect that a savvy agency girl is on her way to going full time self employed, and therefore looking for a client list. So if she says no, its probably because she simply doesn't fancy you, for her future plans.

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I think some SPs have always done this when it suited them and especially when they have been looking to move on to being an indie instead of at an agency or parlour.

 

The agency/parlour can get rid of the girl at a moment's notice for whatever reason it seems to me so her doing this is also a bit of insurance for the SP.

 

On the other hand, with AW and so on, she can make herself well known pretty quickly if she leaves and stays in the same area.

 

It is obviously better if the agency/parlour can come to an agreement with the lady about what she can and can't do with give and take on both sides.

 

i know a parlour where the girls are semi-independant and you can get their individual numbers to deal directly with them but they use the parlour facility and presumably pay each time because that suits them so it is a bit more like an agency than most parlours but they can also do outcalls with or without the owner's knowledge.

 

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I think that some girls probably prefer using agencies because it takes the hassle out of taking enquiries and making bookings, as well as being a security buffer between them and potentially abusive clients. I suspect that there is an agreement in place that the girl will not hand her number out to any client that she sees through the agency.

 

Where the girl is both on an agency website and advertises independently the agency is taking the risk that the booking will not come through them, but the marginal cost of that risk is small.

 

It does make me wonder what sort of money that a typical agency takes. What is their cut of the fee? For example how much do they take of a £150/hr fee? And how many bookings do they take in a day?

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The wg I referred to above told me the agency took 30%. Even though her agency rates were higher than her indie rates she still earned less going through the agency. The plus side for her was she had an incall facility through the agency which she didn't have as an indie and seemed quite happy with the arrangement.

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I can't imagine many parlours' would be cool with that. Just like any other business wouldn't want their employees taking customer details and cutting them out of the loop.

I would also guess that in the interests of personal safety of the girls they would not encourage it. There are some very weird and unbalanced guys out there. I've heard plenty of worrying stories from some of the girls on; obsessive clients, stalkers, deluded clients' who think they're in a relationship with a girl they've visited once or twice, men waiting around for them after work, etc. And this includes regular clients, not just randoms.

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If you work for an agency, the general rule is that in no circumstances you give out your personal number to any clients, otherwise the agency will simply see the girl as trying to see clients directly and cutting out the agency. I worked for an agency that was so strict on this that as soon as it was found out that a lady exchanged personal numbers with a client the were removed from the agency straight away.

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If a girl gives her number out, then it's up to her.  Girls work independently for agencies/pimps.  They pay their own tax and NI and they should ethically own their own photos and be able to take them with them when they leave.  

Having said that we all know it's a cut-throat world out there and not all agencies care about the welfare of the ladies they send to clients.

If a girl works for an agency, they handle the calls so the girl does not have to suddenly contend with some random guy calling her out of the blue when she is with friends/family.

 

What does her fee to the agency consist of?  Advertising and middle man, but also keeping her secret a secret I would have thought, and in handing out the number she negates that.

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In general, agencies take 15%, and they operate within statutory legislation. It doesn't matter if its wg or Polish plumbers.

 

However, neither the employer or the employee are likely to scrutinise the contractual details in the case of a punt. As the wg is happy for work and the punter is happy to get his service. Unlike someone working in a factory on an agency contract, who will have a bit more wherewithal when it comes to negotiating better terms and conditions.

 

There are reports from punters, who have successfully got either a change of wg or a rebate or full refund. But its not what one wants to have to get into when out seeking pleasure. So agencies have to follow codes of practice.

 

So perhaps if there is more 'legitimising' of prossying, things like the contractual details may have more relevance. But more likely to be when things go wrong.

 

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In general, agencies take 15%, and they operate within statutory legislation. It doesn't matter if its wg or Polish plumbers.

 

 

15%  ?

 

It certainly does matter whether it is a plumber or wg!

 

Show me an escort agent who takes less than 25-30%  and I will eat my bra.

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As the agent works for them,personally i say no.Used to do this with bands all the time.Book them privately and split the difference.Was a win win for both parties

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15%  ?

 

It certainly does matter whether it is a plumber or wg!

 

Show me an escort agent who takes less than 25-30%  and I will eat my bra.

Again, the agency has probably got all this under contract, and therefore entitled to take that percentage. Its all legitimate.

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I think it depends on the agency/parlour, some rent out space and time to established indies and you will find this on the tour pages. It is easier for the indie as she manages the appointments but does have the advantage of a maid being available and there is someone around in case of trouble. If an agency/parlour has taken on someone new then they have done the promotion work so they will probably not be happy if the lady starts promoting her own business, taking away clients from the agency/parlour. A bit like a cuckoo in the nest really.

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Again, the agency has probably got all this under contract, and therefore entitled to take that percentage. Its all legitimate.

 

Laughs out loud!  well almost.

 

No...... I think you are winding us up.

 

No escort agent has a contract.  It is a verbal agreement between wg and agent (aka pimp)

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If a girl works for an agency and hands over a hefty fee each time she gets work, is it wrong for her to give her personal number out when clients ask?  

 

If the girl always gives her number to clients in order to get a cheaper deal, then she should be honest with herself and say: 'hey, I can do this on my own, have my own site, pay myself for the advertising etc'.  No need to be with an agency'.  You pay 33% for any kind of advertising you do on AW and you get almost nothing for free there: they do not even care about keeping existing escorts.  So why should an agency continually advertise for an escort who only steals?  And if the escort can hardly speak English, does not even know how to write properly etc but has some heavily photoshoped pictures and is only 'sweet' to those she needs until she takes their money, then what do you do?  Unfortunately there are so many like this around, having just arrived here, made money in a very short period of time and all of a sudden then think on how entitled they are, dreaming: 'wow, I am desired!!!!!!!'

 

If any of the punters here is a lawyer for example, would they like to have their clients stolen by a member of their staff about to set his own business?

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If the girl always gives her number to clients in order to get a cheaper deal, then she should be honest with herself and say: 'hey, I can do this on my own, have my own site, pay myself for the advertising etc'.  No need to be with an agency'.  You pay 33% for any kind of advertising you do on AW and you get almost nothing for free there: they do not even care about keeping existing escorts.  So why should an agency continually advertise for an escort who only steals?  And if the escort can hardly speak English, does not even know how to write properly etc but has some heavily photoshoped pictures and is only 'sweet' to those she needs until she takes their money, then what do you do?  Unfortunately there are so many like this around, having just arrived here, made money in a very short period of time and all of a sudden then think on how entitled they are, dreaming: 'wow, I am desired!!!!!!!'

 

If any of the punters here is a lawyer for example, would they like to have their clients stolen by a member of their staff about to set his own business?

Not strictly true Annabelle.  A profile on AW is completely free.  Many ladies (including myself) find that is quite adequate and do not feature ourselves or show as available today etc ..... both of which are chargeable by aw.

 

I pay nothing at all to them.  My private gallery generates a small sum payable to me after they take their third cut but it costs me nothing to add those pics so I make money from them with no outlay from myself.

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As per the highlighted sentence, I was referring at the advertising, or even when withdrawing money from AW.  If a girl is based in London, where the competition is so high, it makes sense to advertise, rather than just be 'discovered' out of the hundreds of profiles in central London.

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15%  ?

 

It certainly does matter whether it is a plumber or wg!

 

Show me an escort agent who takes less than 25-30%  and I will eat my bra.

I've never worked for an agency that took less than 30%!

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I cannot see it being a contract of employment, otherwise the girl would work for the agency and receive a salary.  Furthermore the entire fee paid by the punter would be subject to VAT etc if an agency had mutiple WGs employed by them as the Agency turnover would almost certainly be over the VAT threshold.   That in itself would be a strong disincentive for such an arrangement.  

 

Technically the agency works for the WG, finding her clients in return for their fee.   Of course it may not always feel like it is the agency that is working for the WG, rather than vice versa.

I was wondering only the other day whether "personal services" are actually a taxable standard rated supply.  If so, many girls would be over the threshold and likely to have to charge an extra 20% just to stand still.

 

I imagine that they are not actually VATable on a personal ie. working girl level but that an agency charging clients for supplying a service might well have to charge VAT.   The courier firms used to only charge VAT on their service charges until a few years ago but now they have to charge VAT on the whole thing, so the cost of the journey and the service charge. 

 

Anyone out there care to enlighten us - or is this a bit too close to the bone??

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