BigMig

Trafficked ?

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Hi,

 

I've contacted an escort on AW who is an EE and is quite close to where I live. I originally contacted her when she was in London, but never managed to meet her. I added to my hot list and  she has moved around over the last couple of months.

 

The postcode she has given me is the same as another EE who I contacted last week (and again I never followed through with the booking as there seem to be a lot of EE in my area at the moment) and my gut instinct says not to meet her as she maybe trafficked, but I just wondered what other people thought.

 

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Steve

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Report it

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report........based on what exactly? That she's EE?

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OK, sorry, it was just the fact that she gave me the same postcode which got me wondering. It may well be innocent and I've just got a suspicious mind.

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.......there seem to be a lot of EE in my area at the moment) ........

 

That's rationale behind "Everything Everywhere"

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Ok.You've never been there,its just as they have the same postcode?Could be just the same street,could be two ladies working together,could be a brothel.How does that mean trafficked?

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Many ladies flat share and many flats within a street share the same postcode also.

Does her profile look like its beem written by a third party?This may mean a third party is involved.Even so she could be over here working of her own free will.Being EE is not proof of anything.

However if communications and the profile are giving you bad vibes for any reason give it a miss and go for ladies that have a few reviews and sound alright on the phone.Always better to talk to the lass on the phone before booking.

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Chances are she is working for a group of some sort, they may be a collective of EE escorts or they may be 'run;' by an individual. They may be trafficked in the legal sense that a person has helped her get here, there may be a pimp who accommodates her, does her advert, takes a cut of earnings and so on, but often that is their choice because they don't know the system or might have poor English.  People who do this range from reasonable and kind or downright abusive and exploitative.

 

You can't really tell unless you stick a lie detector on an escort and question her. You have to use your good judgement when you see adverts, make the booking and when you arrive. Some men don't see foreign women at all because they are concerned they might be seeing someone exploited which is probably over cautious and some don't give a toss who they see or their circumstances. 

 

You really don't have any basis to report anyone at the moment though. 

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It could just be these women are working together for safety reasons. That would make sense if you think about it, strange country, language problems and so on.

When I was working in Burton I had the same postcode as several other ladies in that area, it didn't mean any of us were trafficked, it just meant we worked closely together for both social and safety reasons that's all.

Having said that as others have said gut instinct in this game is paramount on both sides and shouldn't be ignored so if you have worries just stay away.

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When you see girls speaking the same language living in several flats in the same building or in the same area and being visited regularly by the same guy or guys speaking the girls' language, taking a percentage of their money as he pays the rents and advising them to go to the same photographer known for producing the same kind of heavily photoshoped pictures etc, then you realise the rapport that exists between these people.  What can you do?  The same has been done before and will be done again.  Then they will move to another country to fool other customers who fall for the young girls' charm and ignorance they read in their eyes.  'Cos brainiacs they never are.

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A lot of what you are talking about has more to do with the way EE folk organise themselves in an immigrant situation. ie several in one house living tightly together and also sharing work, with and for each other. until the day comes when they can find their own space. That way they can consolidate their options and provide support for each other. So a house might have all doctors or engineers, or kitchen workers or builders and so on, which means a house would have wg, all living under the same principles, as described.

 

Cunning folk immigrants. Pretty soon they will be coming down your road and buying a house. And I don't mean on a mortgage, buying it lock stock and barrel.

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If in doubt, restrict your punting search to UK independents to cut down the risk. I no longer see Orientals or visit SoHo no matter what the nationalities.... I also avoid WG's who undercut the going rate, ethical punting for me.

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Most people from EE countries can work here legitimately now, so there is no need to "traffick" them. Only really Ukraine Moldova Belarus and Russia of the nearest EE countries are not within the European Community, so those from Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Bulgaria, Slovenia and Croatia are perfectly free to work here.  

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Anyway the word trafficked and/or trafficking seemed to come about through the media long before anyone thought they knew what it was supposed to mean. Which I think was put about again by the media to give some people the reason to accept new immigrants being here. As for some the idea that people were being allowed in droves to enter the country quite legally, was something they couldn't accept happily.

 

So the use of the word is far more limited than it has become familiar to use. After all many brits, decide to retire to the sun in Spain, Portugal or France. They didn't need to be 'trafficked' to go there.

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I accept that I've got no evidence that she is being trafficked. As other people have suggested it maybe that there are 2 or 3 ladies from the same country working together which, in this game, I guess makes sense.

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having looked at a dictionary, the general understanding of the word, simply describes the organised movement of a bulk of people along well known routes of transportation. That could easily describe a works beano to Southend or a load of pensioners on a jolly to Wisley Gardens. Or indeed anyone commuting or simply taking a bus to work.

 

The emotive way in which it was used by the media attached the thoughts and feelings of slavery and abduction; which seems to have remained in people's imaginations.

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It is a can of worms. If you want to borrow money to cone to England as an escort I doubt the local bank are lending it. It becomes a grey area. But BigMig asked what to do if he thought trafficking was going on. He had only a gut feeling. I felt the correct answer was to say report it and leave it there.

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Yes of course those thoughts and feelings have been somewhat pumped up by the media and various web site forums, like this one. But in all reality when people get slaved or abducted, they are gone from anyone's view; other than the people who bought them, forever.

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Yes of course those thoughts and feelings have been somewhat pumped up by the media and various web site forums, like this one. But in all reality when people get slaved or abducted, they are gone from anyone's view; other than the people who bought them, forever.

 

We all know that the media build trafficking up to be the prodominent method of working in this industry which is of course utter nonesense. But it is equally nonsensical to pretend that trafficking does not happen at all when all the evidence says that in a small proportion of cases it does. Simply going into denial about it is absurd and it is up to anyone and everyone to report it if they believe it is occuring. That said as others have pointed out previously there does not seem much evidence that this is the case in the OP example. But i totally concur with JKay that it is sensible and possible to use providors where the chances of trafficking coersion and explotation are vastly redduced if you put your mind to it.

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Yes of course those thoughts and feelings have been somewhat pumped up by the media and various web site forums, like this one. But in all reality when people get slaved or abducted, they are gone from anyone's view; other than the people who bought them, forever.

If you think they just dissappear them how do you think they can make their money back?Also where do you think they stash them all?

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Yes of course those thoughts and feelings have been somewhat pumped up by the media and various web site forums, like this one. But in all reality when people get slaved or abducted, they are gone from anyone's view; other than the people who bought them, forever.

They are not gone from the punters who put a cheap punt over the welfare of a girl though are they…otherwise none would bother to traffic in the first place.Fact is, with adult work so huge nowadays some trafficked girls are there hidden in plain sight x

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If any one has a bit of spare time, create a punters Adultwork profile and set up a "new profile" alert, set the area for London a with a radius of 25miles, let it run for a week, then run through each new profile and see just how many have the red alert warning and see how many days it takes for them to get deleted.......its HUGE% !

 

I'm not about to give the game away on an open forum as to what's triggering the alerts but I have spent a lot of time on this and I'm certain I know the answer and that's one of the reasons I now only Punt UK ladies.

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Does the girls not speaking good English mean that they are likely to be trafficked?

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I am concerned about a brothel I visited.

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Does the girls not speaking good English mean that they are likely to be trafficked?

no

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