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Hi guys,

I'm a journalist, researching a piece on sex trafficking, and wondering if any of you would be willing to chat to me on an anonymous basis.

We want a man who uses escorts regularly to tell us about his experiences, and how he differentiates between prostitutes who have made a conscious choice to enter the sex industry, and those who have no choice. I'd also like to chat about Clause 14, the new law just passed, that says that it is now an offence to pay for sex if the woman has been 'subject to exploitation.' Apparently, you can't claim ignorance either, even if she has been exploited and you are unaware of it, it's still an offence. Do you think this will deter a lot of 'punters' from using escorts? Or will it have no difference.

I would like to stress that the whole point of getting a different point of view is to make the article even-handed, not to condemn anyone.

If you are interested in chatting anonymously over email / phone, please do email me on catherine.gray@condenast.co.uk.

Thanks for listening!

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Hi guys,

I'm a journalist, researching a piece on sex trafficking, and wondering if any of you would be willing to chat to me on an anonymous basis.

We want a man who uses escorts regularly to tell us about his experiences, and how he differentiates between prostitutes who have made a conscious choice to enter the sex industry, and those who have no choice. I'd also like to chat about Clause 14, the new law just passed, that says that it is now an offence to pay for sex if the woman has been 'subject to exploitation.' Apparently, you can't claim ignorance either, even if she has been exploited and you are unaware of it, it's still an offence. Do you think this will deter a lot of 'punters' from using escorts? Or will it have no difference.

I would like to stress that the whole point of getting a different point of view is to make the article even-handed, not to condemn anyone.

If you are interested in chatting anonymously over email / phone, please do email me on catherine.gray@condenast.co.uk.

Thanks for listening!

We are NOT USED :confused:

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Men who are 'Fair Trade Punters' should put their hand up and speak out. Better than the usual, 'I felt like a rapist, once I was shagging her.'

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Men who are 'Fair Trade Punters' should put their hand up and speak out. Better than the usual, 'I felt like a rapist, once I was shagging her.' :confused:

A lot have, problem is HH and her ilk who have the power dont want to listen, to them its a crusade and they dont want to know about ladies choosing through their own free will to become WGs, that doesnt fit their agenda.

As to speaking to journalists, its of no interest to me as i dont trust them, same as politicians funnily enough.:(

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Men who are 'Fair Trade Punters' should put their hand up and speak out. Better than the usual, 'I felt like a rapist, once I was shagging her.'

Is it a little ironic that we, as a board, tend to treat journalists as a indivisible mass of uniformly awful people?

The original post didn't seem particularly clueless but the first three replies are pretty vitriolic.

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Hi guys,

We want a man who uses escorts regularly to tell us about his experiences, and how he differentiates between prostitutes who have made a conscious choice to enter the sex industry, and those who have no choice. I'd also like to chat about Clause 14, the new law just passed, that says that it is now an offence to pay for sex if the woman has been 'subject to exploitation.' Apparently, you can't claim ignorance either, even if she has been exploited and you are unaware of it, it's still an offence. Do you think this will deter a lot of 'punters' from using escorts? Or will it have no difference.

Ive never met a WG who was exploited so I cant tell you want the differences are.

Sure I may be unaware, but I always ask "Are you coerced?" and they always reply no.

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Is it a little ironic that we, as a board, tend to treat journalists as a indivisible mass of uniformly awful people?

The original post didn't seem particularly clueless but the first three replies are pretty vitriolic.

You are obviously not aware that this is an ongoing thing that crops up every few months and has done for years.

On top of that, to use such a derogatory term is not doing themselves any favours.

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We are NOT USED :confused:

Behave, its a well known term.

I do not have the time of day for journalists as IMHO they bend and distort the truth but the OP asks if anyone will chat not will everyone abuse me.

Anyone that chooses to chat should chat anyone that doesn't should chill

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Is it a little ironic that we, as a board, tend to treat journalists as a indivisible mass of uniformly awful people?

The original post didn't seem particularly clueless but the first three replies are pretty vitriolic.

I suggested clients should step forward and be counted. :confused:

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You are obviously not aware that this is an ongoing thing that crops up every few months and has done for years.

On top of that, to use such a derogatory term is not doing themselves any favours.

No, I am quite aware of that and you are making my point for me. THIS journalist probably is completely unrelated to the last lot yet you choose to heap your anger from onto her. The sad fact about defensive public relations is that you have to defend yourself over and over and over to the same, often clueless, allegations. And you have to do so with a smile on your face even if the teeth are gritted.... otherwise your message has no chance of being heard. If you can't be bothered with that I understand but in that case it could be better not to reply to the request at all

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In fairness, this has not been the worst request by any means.

As any journalist will know, the way in which language is used can have a very powerful influence on how the information is conveyed and perceived. Did the Russians "invade" Poland, or simply "move into" Poland. In just such a way, there is an understandable and imo justified sensitivity about the term "use" prostitutes, as opposed to "visit". Of course if our purpose is to exploit, then we probably are "using", but if it is a freely negotiated and mutually beneficial arrangement, then "use" is not an appropriate term. Tread carefully.

In my opinion the current benchmark for a sensible approach by a journalist seeking a constructive engagement of views etc. is to be found here.

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I have emailed her. told her very brief details about myself and told her to read my FR's

she should get a rough idea how it works from that.

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Hi guys,

I'm a journalist, researching a piece on sex trafficking, and wondering if any of you would be willing to chat to me on an anonymous basis.

We want a man who uses escorts regularly to tell us about his experiences, and how he differentiates between prostitutes who have made a conscious choice to enter the sex industry, and those who have no choice. I'd also like to chat about Clause 14, the new law just passed, that says that it is now an offence to pay for sex if the woman has been 'subject to exploitation.' Apparently, you can't claim ignorance either, even if she has been exploited and you are unaware of it, it's still an offence. Do you think this will deter a lot of 'punters' from using escorts? Or will it have no difference.

I would like to stress that the whole point of getting a different point of view is to make the article even-handed, not to condemn anyone.

If you are interested in chatting anonymously over email / phone, please do email me on catherine.gray@condenast.co.uk.

Thanks for listening!

It may help if you could state which publication you work for or intend to see your work published in, some of your collegues have "outed" ladies that used to post regular here, made their life hell just to sell a few pence worth of crap. I would love to tell how it is, but to be honest no editor is going to publish anything unless it makes the punter sound like the scum of the earth.

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A lot have, problem is HH and her ilk who have the power dont want to listen, to them its a crusade and they dont want to know about ladies choosing through their own free will to become WGs, that doesnt fit their agenda.

As to speaking to journalists, its of no interest to me as i dont trust them, same as politicians funnily enough.:confused:

Agreed, I've spoken to journalists in regard to my business, and the remarks attributed to me in the article did not bear much resemblence to what I said, therefore thanks but no thanks.

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A lot have, problem is HH and her ilk who have the power dont want to listen, to them its a crusade and they dont want to know about ladies choosing through their own free will to become WGs, that doesnt fit their agenda.

As to speaking to journalists, its of no interest to me as i dont trust them, same as politicians funnily enough.:(

Agreed, I've spoken to journalists in regard to my business, and the remarks attributed to me in the article did not bear much resemblence to what I said, therefore thanks but no thanks.

There you go, she may even quote the above should she go on to produce an article, or has food for thought :confused:

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For chat, Dear Cath, I only charge £50 ph.

Alternatively you can buy me lunch if that would please you.

Do PM me if you are interested.

Uncle Pokey

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Would like to echo the sentiments by Jkay - could the OP please clarify what publication this research is for and if and for how much she intends to reimburse the ladies for their time? After all I doubt anyone working for the Cond

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Would like to echo the sentiments by Jkay - could the OP please clarify what publication this research is for and if and for how much she intends to reimburse the ladies for their time?

This is a list of the magazines they currently publish:

Vogue

W

Glamour

Allure

Self

Teen Vogue

GQ

Lucky

Easy Living

Details

Architectural Digest

Maison & Jardin

Vogue Decoration

House and Garden

Brides

Golf Digest

Golf World

Golf for Women

Bon App

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It may help if you could state which publication you work for or intend to see your work published in, some of your collegues have "outed" ladies that used to post regular here, made their life hell just to sell a few pence worth of crap. I would love to tell how it is, but to be honest no editor is going to publish anything unless it makes the punter sound like the scum of the earth.

OK, the clue is in the journo's email address - she works for Conde Nast whose titles include Glamour, Vogue, GQ and Vanity Fair. These are all up-market mags, and I can't imagine they are interested in the seedy side of prostutution and trafficking.

You can be sure it wont be for Easy Living :confused:, Tatler, Brides or World of Interiors.

I'm lucky work close to the magazine sector of the media and know many of the angles and stunts pulled to sell mags. While 'Caths' intentions may be genuine, it's her fellow hacks who, through their mis-information, lies and half-truths, hollow promises and perpetration of myths against both punter and working girl, have turned us against them, en masse. The result is very few punters want to talk openly about their experiences, and it is my belief that there is probably no punter on this board who would willingly pay for sex knowingly with a trafficked woman.

The punters are still here, the girls are still here (not seen big Qs at the Job Centre), so the new law has not really made one iota of difference.

From what I read, the police are too busy doing their paperwork in a warm office, or hassling photographers for daring to take pictures in public, so they have little time to chase punters and traffickers.

In an ideal world, the punter would like to see the copy before it goes to press so that any errors can be corrected, and have a written assurance there will be no changes afterwards.

Sadly, this ain't the real world and it wont happen - trust me as an ex-media person - they'll spice it up and print what they want as it'll sell magazines. Which is why they are in business.

Just look how the press have made out Tiger Woods to be a serial shagger.......

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Behave, its a well known term.

I do not have the time of day for journalists as IMHO they bend and distort the truth but the OP asks if anyone will chat not will everyone abuse me.

Anyone that chooses to chat should chat anyone that doesn't should chill

Right on, Lou. It seems to me that we bleat on about how misunderstood our side of the punting world is (because we, of course, only visit girls who are doing the job because they enjoy the sex, the working hours and the money) and then we all go defensive when anyone aske for a chance to speak to someone who may tell it like it is. Agreed, past experience has shown that a lot of journalists want to get a sensational story out of it, because that is what sells papers, but there may be someone out there who is genuinely interested in finding out about the "acceptable face of prostitution". To tar all journos with the same brush is no different, IMHO, to journos saying that all we punters are dirty old perverts and all you ladies are trafficked Eastern Europeans.

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She seems to be a genuine journalist from the Glamour magazine. Some articles she's written:

http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/glamour-list/090526-17-things-men-will-never-understand.aspx

http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/glamour-list/090715-14-things-the-glamour-office-has-de.aspx

http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/glamour-list/090306-the-day-glamour-was-born-who-knew.aspx

She's even on twitter:

http://twitter.com/circacath

Given all the bad press that our hobby is getting at the moment, I'd say it couldn't hurt especially if some of the ladies here could engage her, to help her get at the reality, rather than the baseless propaganda.

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Hi Cath,

All my clients that I met off this site, thankfully, are psychic geniuses who know all the ins and outs of the legislation - they could spot a trafficked girl a mile off.

...so say if Harriet Harman's legally misinformed request for The Terminator to sink this site, hypothetically speaking, worked...

...and clients and working girls were even more misinformed, voiceless and unable to consult with each other...

...recieve advice what to do if trafficking suspected...

...yet were all as psychic as my CareBear clients who worry when I have my self-incurred pratfalls and pratfalls, telling me gently to stop being such a clumsy b - lady...

I think I've made my point. The punting world would be a better place, wouldn't it?

No wonder we're all more paranoid than we were already, just to put some comments into context.

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Hi Cath,

All my clients that I met off this site, thankfully, are psychic geniuses who know all the ins and outs of the legislation - they could spot a trafficked girl a mile off.

...so say if Harriet Harman's legally misinformed request for The Terminator to sink this site, hypothetically speaking, worked...

...and clients and working girls were even more misinformed, voiceless and unable to consult with each other...

...recieve advice what to do if trafficking suspected...

...yet were all as psychic as my CareBear clients who worry when I have my self-incurred pratfalls and pratfalls, telling me gently to stop being such a clumsy b - lady...

I think I've made my point. The punting world would be a better place, wouldn't it?

No wonder we're all more paranoid than we were already, just to put some comments into context.

Terrific piece, May! When Caths reads this, she'll probably wish she could write such cutting edge stuff. Although if she could, it would probably have to be for the Private Eye, and not the Glamour!

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