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A question for the Gentlemen;

I understand that a lot of men would think it a complete waste of money to pay a SP money for any social activity other than sex but for some men it enhances the relationship and in turn can improve the action in the bedroom.

For me I generally see ladies just for the time in the bedroom however there are a couple of ladies who I know fairly well and indeed spend social time before or after the main event. Sometimes may be just a couple of drinks in a pub or a meal in a restaurant and even a river trip once.

I have a slightly controversial point of view;

The lady will always say and quite rightly that the customer pays for the girls time irrespective what actually occurs between the two. I totally agree. However, although I would enjoy the Company of some other SP's I've have met, I have more than enough friends to fill that void in my life without the need to pay for the privilege unlike the need to pay for sexual activities.

The two ladies I know well adopt a different attitude, well they do with me anyway. They never charge for their time outside the bedroom but it is expected and I fully accept without any thought to pick up the tab for every expense occurred during this time. However with these ladies our appointment time in the bedroom is much longer than a thirty minute or one hour appointment it has to be said.

I'm interested in how many men spend their money purely on the sexual time and those that like to spend it both in sexual time and doing social activities like dinner dates with a SP ?

Or may be like myself they have some social time with the lady without payment ?

The reason these questions have entered my limited brain capacity is that after a recent booking this week with one of the two girls I know well we went for a meal afterwards and she absolutely insisted on paying the bill in the restaurant. This has never happened before but she was extremely insistent that I dare not argue.

Both the ladies are not of British origin but I don't think it's anything to do with differing culture.

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I don't think I would like to do this too much, as I would see myself getting feelings for the woman and blurring the lines between an arrangement, and a relationship.  

 

I tend not to see the same lady more than once to keep a boundary in place, as I know I crave affection and love, and this maybe isn't the best place to look for it for either party.

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That's a valid point NormalGuy, I had never thought of that situation.

I suppose it depends upon the individual.

For me it's just like catching up with an old friend on the latest news but the thought of hoping to gain a personal relationship from the SP is something that has never entered my head........well not up to now anyway.

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if i am gonna have chat time I'd rather do it lying with her.  I love it when a girl like to cuddle and chat after.

 

but there again i'd love to see a couple of my regs in their civvies.

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I tend to enjoy repeat visits with wg's I know, and do enjoy spending some social time on a longer booking, be it a drink or two or a meal. Sometimes it's within the time I've paid for, for example an overnight booking, sometimes it's been on a booking where I've paid for an amount of bedroom time eg 2 hours, and the meal / drink has either been added on by the wg, or I've paid a lower 'social time' rate. I've had drinks bought for me, but I'll always pay the food bill. I even had one wg recently hand me money back to pay for the hotel I'd booked for our meeting! Which I wouldn't accept of course, the thought never entered my head!

I had a perfect scenario (for me) with one wg who has now emigrated where I'd pay for 2 hours of her time in the bedroom - but I don't think she ever stayed less than 4 hours even the first time we met. It was never talked about, I certainly didn't ask her to stay, it just happened that way. Our last 3 meetings were overnights, two of which she took a vastly reduced rate equivalent to about 3 or 4 hours of her profile rate and the last one, just before she left, was what she called a going away present - and she flatly refused to take any payment at all.

I know what you mean about having enough friends to spend social time with without paying a wg, as do I - but to me it isn't about that with a wg. I feel a little social time before a booking greatly enhances the whole event and what comes later. For example, on an overnight booking I won't meet the wg for a 'quickie' before we go out to eat - I don't want the sex part until I've enjoyed the build-up of meeting, having a drink or two, going for a meal, and then back to the hotel.

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I concur with just about everything you say Burty.

It seems we have a similar outlook to the sometimes weird world of escorting and both lucky enough to meet some special ladies.

The First Lady I see lives most of her time in Europe so I only get to meet her every three months so there's always plenty to talk about plus a certain amount of flirting in the restaurant. We normally meet at about 5 - 6 o'clock have a couple of drinks and a meal followed by either a four hour appointment in the bedroom or an overnighter. We tend to go with the flow without having to engage with any details which makes it more fun and normal.

The other lady is a very popular Asian lady who although I've never done an overnighter with we again have the same relaxed attitude which is unusual for an agency girl although we meet independently from an agency. Because of her popularity we try to arrange meetings when we both have the availability to spend quality time together.

Time with her outside the bedroom is just one big laugh, she has an amazing personality that I probably would never have discovered if I had just stuck to ordinary punting rules restricted to the bedroom.

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I also spend social time with my favourite escort at no additional cost and occasionally it ends up with some sexual time. Whilst I wouldn't say I've fallen for her, I've definitely had thoughts of what it would be like to go out with her.

I think NG is probably right as I find myself on our 'dates' not knowing when the boundaries should be drawn. She is definitely my favourite escort but the more social encounters that we do, I do worry where my head may end up.

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I have a regular with whom I have both paid sex and non-paid social arrangements (meals out which i do pay the tab for) and frequent email communication about usually sporting events like the World Cup, which works well as we never cross any boundaries. I don't really fancy her in a romantic way at all but I simply adore shagging her and enjoy her social company and I think it's mutual. I consider myself very lucky

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I do see one lady that that I have take out for lunch as well. It tend to be 3 hours with the hour for lunch although it usually works out 2 hours lunch and an 1 hour intimate time.  I do enjoy it though and I'm sure because of this sex is better as we have built up a bond of trust so to speak!  It doesn't seem as seedy!!

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Thank you for the responses, I found them interesting.

The worry of "getting emotionally involved" never occurred to me but I guess it could be a problem for some in certain situations.

It's nice to know that like myself a number of gents have found that social activities combined with the sexual activities have enhanced the whole experience without having to pay for the social time.

As I said previously it is usually stated that you pay for the ladies time irrespective of what occurs which cannot be argued against and I don't propose to but it's nice to read there are many "relationships" between the guy and SP where it benefits both parties without added expense outside the bedroom.

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Iam the type of guy that could fall very easily for a lady,I find gorgeous women a very powerful drug.So I DON'T get intimate with many other than paying and having a good time.Maybe some guys can hack it but I can't! Beware!

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As I said previously it is usually stated that you pay for the ladies time irrespective of what occurs which cannot be argued against and I don't propose to but it's nice to read there are many "relationships" between the guy and SP where it benefits both parties without added expense outside the bedroom.

My motto thus far has been expect to pay for all time spent with a wg, and treat whatever else happens as a bonus - of which there have been a few ;)

Falling for a wg isn't going to happen, but I did become quite friendly with a couple of wg's, particularly the ones I spent social time with, which doesn't make it easy when they move on as both of them did within a relatively short time. Going back to 'ordinary' length punts of an hour or so certainly took a bit of getting used to!

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Usually do straight to the room type bookings but have also  found some non-bedroom time a lot of fun and sometimes is great for building sexual tension ahead of the main event.  It could be as simple as a drink in the bar with some flirting and teasing (and a bit of naughtyness in the lift) or could be a bit more adventurous - maybe shopping, a club ...have ended up in a lap dancing club and stark naked at a sauna.

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Iam the type of guy that could fall very easily for a lady,I find gorgeous women a very powerful drug.So I DON'T get intimate with many other than paying and having a good time.Maybe some guys can hack it but I can't! Beware!

 

This is very interesting to read. Now I know why I don't have that many returning punters lol.

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In pre internet days, many agencies were very strict about it being a social encounter but the charges are appropriate, perhaps equivalent to £20 ph now. You booked a girl for 3 hours via the agency. At the end of that time she could then offer her services for her own fee. The problem was that some girls only did the social bit but you did not find out until later! You did get to know the girl though which I liked.

I think now that few girls, or agencies, like the social side as they think they could be earning the full whack. On the other hand go into any major hotel on a weekday evening and you will find dozens of business guys eating alone. I am sure they would like the company of of a lovely lady followed by some private time.If girls offered a reasonable rate for the private time then they would get that sort of bookings and also the guy may well be more likely to book her again next time he was in town.

I am fortunate in that I have 3 ladies who I would count as friends and we do keep in touch and may even meet up purely socially if I am in their area. If I have a booking with them we invariably  have lunch or drinks afterwards. That's why I see then as I like them as people.

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This is very interesting to read. Now I know why I don't have that many returning punters lol.

 

Maybe you just need a little time for getting returning guys.

I don't know for how long you are in London but it takes time to get a clientele. I think you are on the right track. :)

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In pre internet days, many agencies were very strict about it being a social encounter but the charges are appropriate, perhaps equivalent to £20 ph now. You booked a girl for 3 hours via the agency. At the end of that time she could then offer her services for her own fee. The problem was that some girls only did the social bit but you did not find out until later! You did get to know the girl though which I liked.

I think now that few girls, or agencies, like the social side as they think they could be earning the full whack. On the other hand go into any major hotel on a weekday evening and you will find dozens of business guys eating alone. I am sure they would like the company of of a lovely lady followed by some private time.If girls offered a reasonable rate for the private time then they would get that sort of bookings and also the guy may well be more likely to book her again next time he was in town.

I am fortunate in that I have 3 ladies who I would count as friends and we do keep in touch and may even meet up purely socially if I am in their area. If I have a booking with them we invariably  have lunch or drinks afterwards. That's why I see then as I like them as people.

This sound really good.

I do think you are lucky.

I would do the same but to have chat and or a lunch or dinner for the same price as for the sex sounds a bit too much.

I understand we pay for the ladies' time which is understandable but it would be really nice to have discount on social services.

Quite hard to save the budget for punting so those pounds really valuable.

I know some guys can afford the full package, restaurant, dinner, whole night, etc. I think that would be the full GFE for me. 

Maybe in some other life....

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I know some guys can afford the full package, restaurant, dinner, whole night, etc. I think that would be the full GFE for me. 

Maybe in some other life....

 

For some of us, it's not all about money, but about pleasure also. If you're lucky enough to find a WG offering full services and a nice conversation, then stick to her perhaps ?

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For some of us, it's not all about money, but about pleasure also. If you're lucky enough to find a WG offering full services and a nice conversation, then stick to her perhaps ?

That's what I am aiming for.

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I don't think I would like to do this too much, as I would see myself getting feelings for the woman and blurring the lines between an arrangement, and a relationship.  

 

I tend not to see the same lady more than once to keep a boundary in place, as I know I crave affection and love, and this maybe isn't the best place to look for it for either party.

I'm afraid I've fallen into this trap.

 

I first met this wg at her parlour 5 years ago.  Not long after, we also started meeting in a hotel because it was something I'd always wanted to experience.  I remember the first time, it was such a thrill which was intensified by the knowledge that I was cheating on my wife.  I was also scared that someone might see us. It was always a more realistic GFE than in the parlour because she would be with me much longer than the hour that I'd paid for; we'd have a drink at the bar, chat with the other customers as if we were a couple, play pool and so on. I also took her to lunch a couple of times purely on a social basis.  This is the girl I took to the orchestral concert earlier this year (see my thread "spare ticket") and I took her to a social event after that.

 

This year I've punted about a dozen times and it's always been with her even though I know it's breaking one of the basic rules of punting. But I have a valid reason for not seeing other girls which I don't think I will reveal on this forum.  

 

Anyway, I had recently phoned the parlour to make a booking for the next day and texted the wg to let her know. Later that evening she texted: "C u tomorrow". Fortunately my wife had gone to bed early leaving me downstairs watching a film.

I replied that it was a nice surprise & told her what film I was watching.  Her next text cut me like a knife.  She told me she that she had a new boyfriend who was a lot younger than her and did I think that was bad.  I replied that it was bad because she had upset me and that I was so jealous of him.  She told me she would never try to make me jealous.  I told her that I liked being with her and not just for the sex. She replied that it wasn't just about our sex for her either.  She said I was a "great guy" and nothing was going to get in the way of that.

 

Next day, during our post-coital cuddle, I showed her our text conversation to clarify what she meant by some things and she told me how she had met her boyfriend.

 

When I got home home I threw myself on the bed and cried my heart out.  I was thinking that, despite her complimentary remarks about me, I still have to pay her for sex whereas this other guy is getting it for free. 

 

Time is a great healer so they say and I'm feeling less upset now.  But I'm due for my next punt................?????      

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I'm afraid I've fallen into this trap.

 

I first met this wg at her parlour 5 years ago.  Not long after, we also started meeting in a hotel because it was something I'd always wanted to experience.  I remember the first time, it was such a thrill which was intensified by the knowledge that I was cheating on my wife.  I was also scared that someone might see us. It was always a more realistic GFE than in the parlour because she would be with me much longer than the hour that I'd paid for; we'd have a drink at the bar, chat with the other customers as if we were a couple, play pool and so on. I also took her to lunch a couple of times purely on a social basis.  This is the girl I took to the orchestral concert earlier this year (see my thread "spare ticket") and I took her to a social event after that.

 

This year I've punted about a dozen times and it's always been with her even though I know it's breaking one of the basic rules of punting. But I have a valid reason for not seeing other girls which I don't think I will reveal on this forum.  

 

Anyway, I had recently phoned the parlour to make a booking for the next day and texted the wg to let her know. Later that evening she texted: "C u tomorrow". Fortunately my wife had gone to bed early leaving me downstairs watching a film.

I replied that it was a nice surprise & told her what film I was watching.  Her next text cut me like a knife.  She told me she that she had a new boyfriend who was a lot younger than her and did I think that was bad.  I replied that it was bad because she had upset me and that I was so jealous of him.  She told me she would never try to make me jealous.  I told her that I liked being with her and not just for the sex. She replied that it wasn't just about our sex for her either.  She said I was a "great guy" and nothing was going to get in the way of that.

 

Next day, during our post-coital cuddle, I showed her our text conversation to clarify what she meant by some things and she told me how she had met her boyfriend.

 

When I got home home I threw myself on the bed and cried my heart out.  I was thinking that, despite her complimentary remarks about me, I still have to pay her for sex whereas this other guy is getting it for free. 

 

Time is a great healer so they say and I'm feeling less upset now.  But I'm due for my next punt................?????

Not a nice situation to be in.

This is the danger when lines become blurred in the the punter / wg relationship. While I've admitted to enjoying spending time I've not paid for with a couple of wg's, there's one thing that I'm definite about - which is our personal lives never cross, and that I always expect to pay for our sexual encounters. I've referred to one where the wg didn't take payment, but that really was a one off as she was leaving the country probably never to return. If she ever did, and started working again, ALL our meetings would be on strict punter / wg terms.

Otherwise it's getting into affairs / dating territory which is somewhere I don't wish to be and the reason I started punting!

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I have spent time outside bookings with a few clients but the trouble is there are many more who would also like the same favour and that would mean seeing far fewer clients/having less time outside of booking and also being seen out in the local area with several different men which wouldn't be discrete(and neither for some of them either).

 

Therefore I am strict about the number of clients I do this with, and I even restrict dinner dates for quite similar reasons. I do have a social rate, which has been taken up on a couple of occasions this year, but once again not always practical in my locality(and travelling far on that fee doesn't tend to be worth it). I think I gained one regular from an initial social rate meet, the others were just didn't go any further, whereas at least 50% of new clients making a straight forward private time booking do return.

 

The other issue is if you have another client booked in 1 hour later(or a workout/study/family/personal commitment or arrangement), and a client offers to go out for a meal, drink, have a brew then you just cannot. A meal out also isn't always a treat for me, there are times when I don't want to/can't eat out. Of course when out dining or having a social drink that makes me uncontactable by other clients - some of whom only have certain times when they can phone, and so that can have a negative effect on business too.

 

So as above the occasional coffee/meal/chat meet up does happen, but not practical to do it often. I am also more likely to put the time aside if someone is making a 2 hour booking, rather than a shorter appointment but I actually find those who book longer only want that time and nothing more.

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I'm really sorry to hear your story Softee, it does show that emotionally there are serious possible pitfalls if you enjoy engagements outside the bedroom.

I never thought of Strawberry's dilemma that seen out too often with different men could cause problems for the WG and obviously scheduling is important unless you don't mind losing another booking and extra money if you're out on a "social" with a client.

My situation is somewhat different. The Polish lady is only in the UK for ten/twelve days every three months so "getting noticed" in public is not an issue for either of us or becoming emotionally involved. We don't text each other either thus no relationship build up. If she lived in the UK we would probably see each other more but I still could not see anything developing although I really like her and I know she feels the same.

The other lady from South East Asia does however live over here but again we don't text regularly, I have my life and she has hers which involves earning lots of cash lol. There is a reasonable age gap so a relationship has never entered my head but due to working in her country many years ago I understand the culture and we find it very easy to relate to each other. I've met some of her friends (Also W/Gs) socially too.

If I was younger however it might be a different story, but that is irrelevant.

I'm positive Sex with both ladies is hugely enhanced because of the rappore we've built up during our "social time" together.

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That's the interesting thing about indie wgs...

 

The last one I had stayed almost a day longer than I thought she would- at her suggestion.

 

I think if the wg likes you she won't be a clock watcher and will spend more time with you 'than you paid for'.

 

For some wgs... they haven't got anything else important to do that day anyway. So it's good 'customer service' to reward someone who's paying you and you might like anyway.

 

I'll have to see in future if I get 'extra time'...

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I just want to report that I'm feeling much better about about all this. 

The reason is that my wife took a day off work yesterday and, as we lay in bed in the morning, she said she was ready to talk.  I had said recently that we needed to.  Previously whenever I had wanted to discuss our lack of love making she had always brushed it off with comments about marriage not being all about sex, her stressful job, my obsession with sex, my medical condition and so on.  She made me feel like a pervert for actually wanting to make love to my wife!

Anyway, we had a very frank sharing of views which was long overdue but it resulted in much mutual understanding.  One thing that I had been unaware of was the extent to which she was still affected emotionally by her partial hysterectomy many years ago. She didn't state it explicitly but this probably explains her unwillingness for me to give her oral or to even touch her down there.  One thing I opened up to her about was that without complete intimacy between us I feel hurt, rejected and unloved even though she is always saying (and texting): "I love you".

A lot more was said but, in short, we had a lovely day just doing ordinary things: going shopping, gardening and, in the evening, having fish and chips in front of the box.  We took up our usual position on the sofa but this time we were more lovey-dovey than usual.  What I'd told her earlier about me feeling hurt and rejected must have stayed on her mind because she turned to me and said: "I DO love you you know."

At bedtime, before going to sleep, our goodnight kiss became a little more 'french' and lingering than usual. 

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