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Ethical Punting................

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What steps are you taking to become an ethical punter? I hope that you are all clued up and well read on the legal side of punting, not just legislation about streetwalking/soliciting……….

Happy smiles and an eagerness to please is no longer a defence when it comes to being interview under caution when the lady you have had sex with has a unhappy past, perhaps she travelled here under the impression she had been offered a real job only to find that the person she was travelling with then hands her over someone else who in time puts her to work in a brothel with the threat that if she goes to the Police then she would be the one that goes to prison for a long time……..

How do we know what’s behind the smiles?

The burden is on the prosecution to show that the WG is subject to "exploitative conduct", but it's no defence for the punter to say that he was unaware that the WG was subject to exploitative conduct.

For me tying to be ethical means I have now become very selective where and with who punt with, although I cannot be 100% sure that my selection process is foolproof but I stand a better chance than just ignoring the possible pitfalls.

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How do we know what’s behind the smiles? 

 

Perhaps you should chat with them a bit... If they are keen on telling you more about themselves, I'm sure they will be honest with you.

 

Btw, there are so many things behind the smiles...

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I just see women from western europe.

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What steps are you taking to become an ethical punter? I hope that you are all clued up and well read on the legal side of punting, not just legislation about streetwalking/soliciting……….

Happy smiles and an eagerness to please is no longer a defence when it comes to being interview under caution when the lady you have had sex with has a unhappy past, perhaps she travelled here under the impression she had been offered a real job only to find that the person she was travelling with then hands her over someone else who in time puts her to work in a brothel with the threat that if she goes to the Police then she would be the one that goes to prison for a long time……..

 

How do we know what’s behind the smiles? 

The burden is on the prosecution to show that the WG is subject to "exploitative conduct", but it's no defence for the punter to say that he was unaware that the WG was subject to exploitative conduct.

 

For me tying to be ethical means I have now become very selective where and with who punt with, although I cannot be 100% sure that my selection process is foolproof but I stand a better chance than just ignoring the possible pitfalls.

IMO the law is an arse. When i punt i have NO idea for definite about the WGs personal life, literally ANY WG could be being coerced for all i would know for sure. To make it a crime to unknowingly punt with such a WG is stupid and wrong. To knowingly punt with such a WG should lead to a severe punishment.

 

I use my best judgement as thats the best i have got. Many WGs are pimped but i have yet to be convinced through convictions that many are forced to be WGs. If there are a lot of forced women what are the police doing about it since Operations Pentameter 1 and 2. All i read about are isolated cases which although obviously awful dont show me proof its a widespread problem. What certainly is the case is some so called Indies on A/W arent Indies at all, they have a pimp who by advertising them as Indies presumably thinks there is less chance of him or her being nicked.

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Perhaps you should chat with them a bit... If they are keen on telling you more about themselves, I'm sure they will be honest with you.

 

Btw, there are so many things behind the smiles...

How can you be sure they would be honest?

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How can you be sure they would be honest?

 

There are honest and dishonest people everywhere to my knowledge. Making a living by offering sexual services doesn't mean you're dishonest. And you can never be sure of anything in life !

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There are honest and dishonest people everywhere to my knowledge. Making a living by offering sexual services doesn't mean you're dishonest. And you can never be sure of anything in life !

You said you were sure they would be honest with you. Yet now you quite rightly say there are honest and dishonest people everywhere  and you can never be sure of anything in life.

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Unless you've already offered sexual services Smiths, let's admit I know a bit more about it than you ?

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Unless you've already offered sexual services Smiths, let's admit I know a bit more about it than you ?

Thats got nothing to do with the point i was making. You said you were sure they would be honest when you dont know whether they would be or not.

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There's no need to get your knickers in a twist :lol:

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Alfred de Musset (1810 - 1857)

We don’t trifle with love (Extract of the play)

On ne badine pas avec l'amour

All men are liars, inconstant, hollow, talkative, hypocrites, proud and cowards, contemptible and sensual; all woman are perfidious, artificial, vain, curious and depraved; the world is nothing but a bottomless sewer where the most shapeless seals crawl and wriggle on mountains of muck; but there one single thing in this world, saint and sublime, it’s the union of these two beings so imperfect and dreadful.

 

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How can you be sure they would be honest?

 

That's the problem, you can't that's why my punts are selected on a strict criteria list as punters we just don't know what's behind the smiles but with a bit of thought we can't cut out the chances massively.

Having worked in the industry and spending 10 hour shifts with WG's you get to see and hear what's behind the smiles, not all the time but when you do its an eye opener and when you get no response from the authorities when stuff is reported you wonder if anyone cares.

I spent some time listening to one ladies story, upsetting but it had a happy end, some of the gang did time, hearing how she was befriended in her country when she was 16, then passed though a chain of handlers until they arrive in London expecting to work but ending up in a walk-up, things like this wake you up, its shaped my selecting criteria, things like having to have sex with 12 to 15 men just to pay the room rent on the sublet - sublet room before they earn any money where as if they went independent perhaps one client to pay for hotel room then the rest is bunce in pocket, that's one of the reasons I will never again visit Soho or indeed any cheap rate offers.

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That's the problem, you can't that's why my punts are selected on a strict criteria list as punters we just don't know what's behind the smiles but with a bit of thought we can't cut out the chances massively.

Having worked in the industry and spending 10 hour shifts with WG's you get to see and hear what's behind the smiles, not all the time but when you do its an eye opener and when you get no response from the authorities when stuff is reported you wonder if anyone cares.

I spent some time listening to one ladies story, upsetting but it had a happy end, some of the gang did time, hearing how she was befriended in her country when she was 16, then passed though a chain of handlers until they arrive in London expecting to work but ending up in a walk-up, things like this wake you up, its shaped my selecting criteria, things like having to have sex with 12 to 15 men just to pay the room rent on the sublet - sublet room before they earn any money where as if they went independent perhaps one client to pay for hotel room then the rest is bunce in pocket, that's one of the reasons I will never again visit Soho or indeed any cheap rate offers.

I assume you mean Soho Walk-Ups, if so i have no interest in that form of punting but when some places got raided a while back some of the WGs came out onto the streets to demonstrate against the raids and some places were re-opened with the legal cases thrown out, so they certainly werent being forced by a pimp/trafficker. As always it cant be generalised into cheap meaning definitely being forced and/or been trafficked in my view.

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So is it ethical to put with a WG who has to have to have sex with 12 - 15 men just to pay for the room?

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So is it ethical to put with a WG who has to have to have sex with 12 - 15 men just to pay for the room?

So long as she is smiling any thoughts to the girls situation won't even enter most guys heads.

You know that even in here it has been declared that "trafficking hardly really exists" and this place is pretty enlightened

The fact that a bunch if girls can appear overnight in a town with identical profiles in grubby premises and for a rate far lower than the local average yet have guys talking about their visits online pretty much proves that ethical loses out to cheap many a time. A girl would need the words "sex slave" branded in her tits for some guys to stop and think and then to others it would be a turn on.

Pimped girls are there with all the evidence in front if our faces but because they are smiling and "earning more than they would in their home country" it's somehow meant to all be okay so long as it's nice and cheap, almost like she has stumbled into a good thing by being pimped. I guess that's a guilt soothe for some.

You are not in the minority in here JKay but I fear you are in the minority in general

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So is it ethical to put with a WG who has to have to have sex with 12 - 15 men just to pay for the room?

IF the woman is being forced of course its not ethical, its illegal and the police should catch these evil people and they should in my view get a life sentence.

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Its difficult as you don't want to be with anyone that is forced or who you can tell doesn't want to be with you!   I try to be selective as possible, look at reviews, sometimes the lady I am with may comment on another client she sees a lot and says he is a nice chap and you can keep a track on who he is seeing as a guide.  I tend to stay away from Eastern European, Romanian as some may be trafficked! Not all but some as I don't want to tar all with the same brush!  Actually try to stick to British women, French are good French belle!  Western women.  Never have meets less than an hour,  don't go too cheap on price although that doesn't mean much sometimes!  

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French are good French belle!

Are you fishing for Likes ?  :lol:

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I like being liked don't we all :) 

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I like being liked don't we all :)

Yes espcialy when its a nice sexy lady.

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IMO the law is an arse. When i punt i have NO idea for definite about the WGs personal life, literally ANY WG could be being coerced for all i would know for sure. To make it a crime to unknowingly punt with such a WG is stupid and wrong. To knowingly punt with such a WG should lead to a severe punishment.

 

I use my best judgement as thats the best i have got. Many WGs are pimped but i have yet to be convinced through convictions that many are forced to be WGs. If there are a lot of forced women what are the police doing about it since Operations Pentameter 1 and 2. All i read about are isolated cases which although obviously awful dont show me proof its a widespread problem. What certainly is the case is some so called Indies on A/W arent Indies at all, they have a pimp who by advertising them as Indies presumably thinks there is less chance of him or her being nicked.

when did you get back? I thought you had defected

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Jeez, life is too serious to be concerned with fripperies such as morality and ethics.

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I thought ethics was an area near London where blonde girls come from

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It's difficult to be 100% certain, but I'm also extremely selective. Starting from reading the profile, how initial comms are, be they written or phone call, and then attitude / body language when we meet.

None of the above are cast iron guarantees of course, but I don't tend to see a lot of different wg's, when I find someone good I tend to stick to repeat visits with no more than a couple of different wg's. As I see them quite frequently and prefer longer bookings, I think you get more of an idea about personalities etc., during down time and end of punt chats.

I'm as sure as anyone can be that pretty much every wg I've seen is working out of their own choice, and I know for a fact the last 4 are or were. Two of them started escorting to reach a particular goal, reached it and moved on, and I've been in contact with both of them since they left. Of the two I'm seeing now, one is very much part time as she has a full time day job and only takes bookings when she feels like.

My area has a lot of EE wg's passing through and it seems that a lot of their profiles are written by the same person, so I tend to avoid for that reason. The wg mentioned above who has a full time job is Polish, but there's no doubt in my mind she is completely independent.

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