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So, I recently booked someone I saw on AW. She had great reviews and we exchanged some fantastic texts and I couldn't wait to see her, she sounded right up my street and I was revving in the red zone in anticipation.

 

I arrive at the venue, ring to confirm the exact address only to be told that she had seen me and I had obviously missed the line in her profile that said White Men only, 100%, no exceptions. Now I accept I missed that line, I wouldn't have booked straight away but emailed first to ask if possible but the response, I guess, would have been the same that I was told on the phone.

 

"I am just attracted to white guys only". So it wasn't security, as I know some escorts avoid minority punters, we are taking rural UK here. i asked politely if she would like to see me and could always send me away if she wanted, she dismissed this and just said "Sorry. no".

 

I could argue that I have good AW feedback etc. and that I am a young, average looking Brit etc. but I just wanted the communities thoughts on this from a neutral perspective please?

 

Questions in my head are:

Is this sort of 'racism' acceptable just because it operates in this world of punting?

Would the punt have gone ahead if I was a 30 stone beast, or 70 year old man? (nothing against them, just examples!)

As long as I was clean and polite, is it generally 'acceptable' for the escort to require me to be attractive to punt with me? After all, I am paying for their services?

Surely she doesn't find ALL white guys attractive she punts with?

 

I dunno, maybe I am being naive and missing another reason she cancelled on me when I was outside the address but I think it poses some interesting questions, which because I have never fallen victim to it before, I haven't had the thought to think about.

 

What are your thoughts boys and girls?

 

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I'm sorry but I fail to understand what's wrong with us WGs having preferences? We are our own business/boss so can choose exactly who our target market is. In no way is it racism to have a preference for a certain race.

I myself only book white men and in normal day to day life am only really attracted to white men.

I'm a black female, does that mean I'm racist to black men? No.

Everyone has a preference whether it be blondes, brunettes, BBWs or slim girls we all like different things for different reasons.

Why is it acceptable for punters to only want to book a certain race but not acceptable for WGs to do the same? It baffles me.

Simply move on and find someone else plenty other women who would be happy to accommodate your needs :)

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Hi Ebony, thanks for the reply, I was hoping I would get a WG input. So may i ask a couple of questions pls? Have you punted with a white guy you do not find attractive at all and if so, would it make a difference if that person wasn't white then? And have you never ever found a non asian attractive enough to consider having a booking with them if they requested one?

 

Maybe it is because I find all types of women attractive, i think it odd for a business woman not even want to meet me for 5 mins and see if they wanted to proceed. and odd to dismiss certain types on preference when surely not all white men are attractive....or are they!? this would explain why I am still single, lol!

 

As i say, i missed the line in the profile, I would have emailed first. but as i was there, i was understandably a bit offended and felt rather rejected just because i wasn't her 'target market' as you put it.

 

Thanks.

 

ps. you say preference. this was a REQUIREMENT. So I think a difference, no?

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Hi Ebony, thanks for the reply, I was hoping I would get a WG input. So may i ask a couple of questions pls? Have you punted with a white guy you do not find attractive at all and if so, would it make a difference if that person wasn't white then? And have you never ever found a non asian attractive enough to consider having a booking with them if they requested one?

Maybe it is because I find all types of women attractive, i think it odd for a business woman not even want to meet me for 5 mins and see if they wanted to proceed. and odd to dismiss certain types on preference when surely not all white men are attractive....or are they!? this would explain why I am still single, lol!

As i say, i missed the line in the profile, I would have emailed first. but as i was there, i was understandably a bit offended and felt rather rejected just because i wasn't her 'target market' as you put it.

Thanks.

ps. you say preference. this was a REQUIREMENT. So I think a difference, no?

Of course there is white men unattractive there's unattractive in every race. I just have a preference for white men and will enjoy my time and provide a better service with someone in my preference.

I find men of other races attractive yes but that's it, it wouldn't go any further than that, it's just a preference there's no reason behind it or some big story I've always liked white men.

Generally if she only books white men she should've kindly asked your race to be sure it would've solved things and wouldn't have made you feel rejected.

Preference or requirement, there are men who only book white women, black women, Thai etc, why are they different to us WGs who book a certain race?

Because we are service providers does that mean we have to book anyone who wants to throw cash at us? I don't think so.

It's all down to preference and people shouldn't be offended by it.

I wouldn't get offended if someone said "sorry I'm only attracted to white women"

It's really no big deal when there are so many women happy to see you :)

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I am not sexually attracted to black women and could not contemplate a physical act with one. I see nothing wrong with this and if others do then its they that sit with the problem, not me.

 

I have frequently been told I'm racist when declining the advances of black prostitutes and then later taking a white girl.  If that makes me racist, fine.

 

I have black female friends of whom I am very fond, but purely in a platonic way. 

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my take on this is simple ....

you make wg choices

she makes punter choices

 

saying in a nice way , don't be so sensitive about why she doesn't see ethnic minority punters. your looks are not in question. next time just read the profile carefully.

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I am not sexually attracted to black women and could not contemplate a physical act with one. I see nothing wrong with this and if others do then its they that sit with the problem, not me.

I have frequently been told I'm racist when declining the advances of black prostitutes and then later taking a white girl. If that makes me racist, fine.

I have black female friends of whom I am very fond, but purely in a platonic way.

I totally agree with you on this!

I'm a black female and in no way find the fact you don't find is attractive offensive!

In no way are you racist for not fancying a black woman people are so silly! X

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Thanks again Ebony, good points made. I think my bother on the matter is mainly because the profile was right up my street, the exchanges of texts were excellent and so had my expectations built up high to be disappointed at the 11th hour.

 

You are right, I should have read the profile correctly and maybe she should have double checked with me. I wonder if I am being sexist by thinking that because I was paying for her time, I am the customer, I had a right to at least be considered even though I am not her personal preference and I am wrong in that respect.

 

I am always happy to be corrected in my thoughts!

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yes mate you were wrong to asume that being the customer you have the upper hand and may see who you wish. Normally "the customer is always right", but the very nature of punting , makes that maxim only true to a point. The intimate nature of the transaction means (quite rightly) that the escort gets to decide who she sells her "goods" to. 

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Im a WG, and a lot of men only go with black girls - regardless if they are black or white themselves. This is also racism against white girls but we arent offended! Each to his/her own!

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Because she stated very clearly on her profile that she only wishes to see white guys she may have assumed you saw this and thought you'd take a chance anyway. If I were her I would've been worried by this and thought that you had complete disregard for me, and been concerned about what other of my rules you'd attempt to break. Yes this may sound dramatic, but as escorts we are putting ourselves in potentially troublesome situations. We all set our own boundaries, and it's only us who should relax or break them, not the client as and when he so wishes. I accept that you missed the line on her profile so were unaware of the 'white guys only' rule, but it always baffles me why one wouldn't read a profile thoroughly before agreeing to part with a large amount of cash. Even if I'm only spending a few pounds on ebay I read the advert thoroughly to hopefully avert a rip off! The escort concerned had potentially lost out on another booking, and would've spent time getting ready for you. Racism doesn't come into this at all.

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The WG "is" being racist - end of! It is, however, her prerogative to be so......

 

Essentially she is selling you her body, it has to remain her choice to whom she sells that commodity.

 

If she was selling paper clips or apples it would be a different story, but it is not. 

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Because we are service providers does that mean we have to book anyone who wants to throw cash at us? I don't think so.

 

 

You are so totally right TightYoungEbony ! I often decline requests, not because of age, race or cock size, but because of rudeness and expectations I know I won't fulfill.

 

Being open minded doesn't mean we have to accept everything from everybody :)

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Okay just a thought but rural location, perhaps an all white rural location? Worried about people standing out to the by passers who wouldnt normally be there? I dont know, Ive commented on these threads god knows how many times but believe it or  not there are still some very rural locations where passers by and neighbours would be literally "ooooo look its a black man???" so discreet would fly out of the window as fast as someone wearing an "I'm going to pay dolly at number 19 for a blow job sign". If its not that rural then please see other threads on this nature for my answers x

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The answer is just forget it and move on.  There are plenty of ladies that see all black, Asian etc guys its just a personal preference.  Although born here, I have a mix some Asian blood and English. I am not that dark just a tan but I have asked a lady if she says white guys only whether or not I am excluded.  Luckily the lady I wanted to see was happy to see me but I would respect anyone that said no thanks.  Personal choice. Fair enough.

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one off my regulars is a retired Asian doctor I find him quite hard to chat to and have a joke with

but I don't know if that's because he is Asian or because he was a doctor

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You are so totally right TightYoungEbony ! I often decline requests, not because of age, race or cock size, but because of rudeness and expectations I know I won't fulfill.

 

Being open minded doesn't mean we have to accept everything from everybody :)

What Belle says. I am not sure that it is even helpful to class this as a "racism" issue. The law quite properly makes discrimination on the grounds of race in employment and the sale of most services illegal, but very wisely does not intrude into the personal space. As I recall, the Parliamentary debates referred to personal services involving personal contact such as massage (presumably of the therapeutic variety) or hairdressing where preferences based on race would not be caught.

Also, as far as I am aware there is no cab rank rule in escorting, unlike for taxis (or indeed barristers).

This is a classic case of caveat emptor. The lady concerned posted up an exclusion clause. End of. If someone decides they want to think with their helmet rather than their head (as it were) and don't bother to read what most escorts take some care to point out, they have to accept that disappointment can result.

We should not lose sight of the fact that even in this most liberal of trades, a woman's body is her own and it is her right and hers alone to decide to whom she grants access. I am amazed I have to write this, thought it was obvious.

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There are lots of gorgeous black guys out there and some of my friends only like darker skin.  I personally have not been with a guy of African origin but I really admire some and had some great conversations with others.  Most interestingly I was telling another guy from a different ethnic background about the abuse I keep receiving constantly from men and women from his part of the world (I delicately put the question as to why), yet the next thing was: 'you are racist' comment.  WTF, I was thinking!!!  It is me getting the abuse and yet I am the racist?  I concluded some people use any trick to make others feel bad.

 

But I really like Oriental guys, must be a Bruce Lee thing.  :)

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one off my regulars is a retired Asian doctor I find him quite hard to chat to and have a joke with

but I don't know if that's because he is Asian or because he was a doctor

Probably neither. Maybe he's just not a chatty extrovert, or he feels he has better things to do than make conversation when he comes to see you. Since you refer to him as a regular, he clearly appreciates you and the service you offer.

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As a punter I only like to see White Escorts as that is who I'm attracted to, I also like the WG to speak good English as well if I can as I like to chat.

 

I'm past 50 years old now and there are escorts out there who I would love to book who have a "no over 50's" policy. I would not call that ageist, I would call it a preference and I have to live with the fact that some people choose not to sleep with me.

 

OP please move on, there are many escorts who are happy for you to book them.   

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I think through an agency , escorts have to be professional and cannot discriminate. All clients are welcome as it's all income.

Being independent though, especially on Adultwork a lot of escorts will put 'does not see black guys', etc.

In a way it is discrimination but this is a sort of 'black market' , underground industry and difficult to regulate if at all.

This is going to become more of an issue in the future, because of mass immigration , possibly more diverse ethnic groups will overspill into rural areas.

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I think through an agency , escorts have to be professional and cannot discriminate. All clients are welcome as it's all income.

Being independent though, especially on Adultwork a lot of escorts will put 'does not see black guys', etc.

In a way it is discrimination but this is a sort of 'black market' , underground industry and difficult to regulate if at all.

This is going to become more of an issue in the future, because of mass immigration , possibly more diverse ethnic groups will overspill into rural areas.

That depends on the agency. The agencies I have worked for never forced a girl to see someone they didnt want to see but you did have to tell him yourself as its not fair to put the maid in an uncomfortable position. I always thought that was a fair way of dealing with this sort of issue. I dont know if they still have this way of doing things though it was a while ago now. Of course when it came to a guy being abusive then the maid would step in and explain not to come back as its not fair to subject a girl to that after a guy has scared or hurt her in some way.

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I think through an agency , escorts have to be professional and cannot discriminate. All clients are welcome as it's all income.

Being independent though, especially on Adultwork a lot of escorts will put 'does not see black guys', etc.

In a way it is discrimination but this is a sort of 'black market' , underground industry and difficult to regulate if at all.

This is going to become more of an issue in the future, because of mass immigration , possibly more diverse ethnic groups will overspill into rural areas.

I to take issue with your use of the word "professional". Just because a girl only sees guys of one race does not mean that she does not conduct herself professionally in the bookings that she does take.

 

Personally I dont pick and chose on race I pick and chose based on the attitude that the guy has which can be good or bad regardless of race. If someone sounds particularly bossy or unfriendly on the phone then I dont see how they could be any less so in person so I dont take the booking as Im not going to put myself into a difficult position person to person. Also if someone is a bit too blasé "ohyeah ill be there sometime around 3/3.30" then I dont class it as a booking because I can't hang around all day waiting for someone. One guy last week "I'm here" no, he wasnt, he had waited till the time he was due then buggered off to do some quick shopping because he realised he had forgotten something he needed to buy giving no thought to my time then wondered why he couldnt just rock up 20 minute later at his leisure. Rude, cancelled.

 

 

I have no idea what his race was, sounded english, could have been any colour, who knows. I dont think it could possibly become less of an issue than it is now just because a load of ee girls have rocked over because they are all individuals also and if they are working of their own free will they will pick and chose their clients in exactly the same way as the british girls do, they will see who they want to see and thats it. Not wanting to see black or asian guys isnt restricted to british girls. Saying that though, a lot of ee girls wont see guys who they suspect are also ee so I guess those guys will see other girls instead too.

 

I dont take bookings from guys with very bad english either as if we can't communicate on the phone we have no chance in the bedroom plus I dont want the situation occurring where some guy is shouting down his phone trying to find my address when he is almost right outside my door but he can't understand the words I'm saying to him. I'm not going to risk my apartment like that for someone. If someone can't understand what you are saying chances are he can't really understand what you have written in the text either or worse…he will show the taxi driver your texts knowing that he will be able to find your address. I actually had a guy pass his phone to the taxi driver once and I was flabbergasted, worst gossips out there.

 

 

Fact is everyone will find someone who they fancy to fuck and all the girls will have clients who want to fuck them and that they want to take a booking from. Its the way it is. If someone doesnt want to see you dont get huffy over it just deal with it and find another girl. The guys pick and chose all the time, whats so surprising that the girls do too?

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Cool, some very interesting points here and I am glad I started this as has gone in a direction I hoped it might.

 

In this instance, I accept I missed the line. I didn't deliberately ignore it. So I accept in this case my disappointment shouldn't affect my thoughts, but it does pose a bigger question on these conditions based on skin colour. I see some ppl referring it to a type of discrimination/racism, some not, some saying this is acceptable, some are saying it isn't!

 

My key point was the 'I only find white guys attractive' thing. If she had told me she avoids asian men due to regular poor hygiene, or lack of respect, do you know, I might have accepted that much easier. I still would have been put out as I am well bought up and respectful and really consider myself an english gentleman. But I think we have accepted a fact that a WG will not find all her punters attractive, so what does it matter if they are asian, black, oriental etc?

 

I generally don't find black or asian girls AS attractive as white, though I am from Asian roots myself. BUT I have often found exceptions to this and wouldn't dream of saying I am ONLY attracted to white ladies.

 

As a service provider, and again I must stress I think I am wrong to think this, if I am a paying, respectful punter, then does creed/colour really make any difference?

 

I am also interested in the parlour/independent thing. I certainly have never been refused access to a parlour due to race and I would be very surprised if any parlour did. So do WGs who have these requirements (and I state requirement, not preference as there is a difference) avoid every working in a parlour? 

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ps. I am fully aware there are hundreds of other willing WGs. I don't really think that is the answer to this question though.

 

I wasn't refused on my attitude, I know for a fact everything was more than fine right up until the point she saw me from a distance and saw I wasn't white. I wasn't refused on any other grounds such has hygiene, the area being all white etc. It was a requirement for me to be white, not a preference, as a preference infers exceptions can be made.

 

There was one lady a while who said she preferred to avoid black/asian guys due to previous hassle. I emailed her politely that I was asian, showed her my AW feedback and she was fine, an exception was made and we had a great time.

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