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Good afternoon all,

 

You may remember me from a few years back, where I conducted a Research MA dissertation examining the experiences of male partners of female escorts.  Several Punternet board members took part in the study and the project received a distinction. I will be looking to get an academic article published in this arena in the future.

 

Meanwhile, I am now midway through a scholarship PhD at the University of Leeds, under the supervision of well known sex-research academic Teela Sanders. My PhD title is as follows:

 

'A comparative study of heterosexual male and female escorts - work, relationships and stigma management'.

 

The study aims to identify similarities / differences / nuances between male and female escorts.  I have already interviewed the allotted number of male escorts and now I am seeking around ten female heterosexual escorts who are willing to be interviewed.

 

Interviews can take place in person, over the phone, via email.  I'm very flexible.

 

I am more than happy to send over details of the interview format / question areas to anyone considering taking part, and be assured your contributions will be anonymous. If you would like further information, please email me at  sssr@leeds.ac.uk

 

For verification of my academic identity, please google 'Scarlett Redman Leeds' and you will find an academic article published detailing my undergraduate dissertation, plus my links with the University of Leeds.  For some reason, I can't copy and paste.

 

Many thanks for taking the time to read,

 

Scarlett

 

 

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Googling "Scarlett Redman Leeds" does not appear to locate the article. However, googling "Leeds University Scarlett Redman" goes straight to it.

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While the bright young members of this society are allowed and encouraged to waste their youth on such rubbish, this country will fall further behind the rest of the world.

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give her a chance

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male escorts? I thought that was a dead market - who do they service - probably a gay service.

 

what a shit boring study - 100,000 words on a pointless thesis. I did not know male escorts exist in any decent numbers - at any rate female escorts must outnumber male escorts massively. what is the value then in comparing the two? what is the benefit to academia or society in general? . stigma management? there's a loaded agenda if ever I saw one

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Poor old Lancelot! Feeling bad are we? It is clearly in the interest of the punting fraternity that academics discuss sex work unless you want the Swedish model to be introduced here.

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Poor old Lancelot! Feeling bad are we? It is clearly in the interest of the punting fraternity that academics discuss sex work unless you want the Swedish model to be introduced here.

not feeling bad - just expressing my opinion

 

yes academics can and should discuss paid sex - just as any other quarter of society - but I cant see how this study is going to advance the cause

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Come on. Comparing male and female escorts!!

 

My guess is there must be thousands of females for every male.

 

Also, nearly always the females will not be escorting, but doing sex.

Sometimes the males will do sex, a lot of the time they will actually be escorting.

 

Even if this is not the actual truth its of no consequence. because we don't need to know.

Its not important!

 

Let this poor researchers supervisor come on here and tell us what actual, real, tangible benefits can accrue from this nonsense.

 

Can we all not think of loads more useful stuff they could use their heads on?

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It's a really interesting piece of work, from the little I've read of it so far, and most importantly Ms. Redman is approaching it from an objective point of view. Here's a few quotes which I found interesting;  


1.'Sex workers work hard to exploit their femininity, sexuality, bodily capital and emotional labour'


2. ...'negative connotations many people attach to prostitution and the attempts to 'shame' female providers and male purchasers for transgressing from the ideology of sex associated with love.' 


3. 'thought it was wrong, disgusting, immoral'


About the 2nd - many of the problems couples experience are precisely because we are confused about romantic love - the soul mate myth - the Hollywood, happy ever after version of a relationship. This is the false ideology associated with love that Ms Redman mentions.


On the 3rd, this is true; that's what people say. But they can NEVER explain why it's immoral in the true sense, not the religious, that is - who does it harm? 

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In case anyone thinks I am "anti-research" when I was doing a PhD, several of my peers told me I was wasting my time and we didn't need it, it was already obsolete etc.

 

I was working on software for the control-units for car engines, in order to reduce emissions and reduce fuel usage.

 

Oh you may, say that's all been done. Except I was doing this in 1971.

Whichever way you look at it,some use has been made of this during the past forty years.

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Come on. Comparing male and female escorts!!

 

My guess is there must be thousands of females for every male.

 

Also, nearly always the females will not be escorting, but doing sex.

Sometimes the males will do sex, a lot of the time they will actually be escorting.

 

Even if this is not the actual truth its of no consequence. because we don't need to know.

Its not important!

 

Let this poor researchers supervisor come on here and tell us what actual, real, tangible benefits can accrue from this nonsense.

 

Can we all not think of loads more useful stuff they could use their heads on?

Did the researcher find out of those "male escorts" actually have bookings? I have, in various places - seen male escorts advertising that they service women etc - but am near cert all they would get is gay men asking if they do queer stuff. But take you average female hooker - and a bad week for her would be half a dozen bookings so she is a kosher case study as she makes a living from it, spends time on it etc and so her experiences will be valid for a hooker as she is a hooker. But a male escort might just be a masturbating dreamer

 

it is an ill conceived study and I am amazed your phd supervisor is going along with it but i expect it is too far advanced to abort

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In case anyone thinks I am "anti-research" when I was doing a PhD, several of my peers told me I was wasting my time and we didn't need it, it was already obsolete etc.

 

I was working on software for the control-units for car engines, in order to reduce emissions and reduce fuel usage.

 

Oh you may, say that's all been done. Except I was doing this in 1971.

Whichever way you look at it,some use has been made of this during the past forty years.

yes well not all phd work has a practcal usage like that - there are people who write theses on bizarre subjects in antiquity - yet their work is deemed valuable if it is new and advances knowledge in a particular field recognised by academia

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It's a really interesting piece of work, from the little I've read of it so far, and most importantly Ms. Redman is approaching it from an objective point of view. Here's a few quotes which I found interesting;  

1.'Sex workers work hard to exploit their femininity, sexuality, bodily capital and emotional labour'

2. ...'negative connotations many people attach to prostitution and the attempts to 'shame' female providers and male purchasers for transgressing from the ideology of sex associated with love.' 

3. 'thought it was wrong, disgusting, immoral'

About the 2nd - many of the problems couples experience are precisely because we are confused about romantic love - the soul mate myth - the Hollywood, happy ever after version of a relationship. This is the false ideology associated with love that Ms Redman mentions.

On the 3rd, this is true; that's what people say. But they can NEVER explain why it's immoral in the true sense, not the religious, that is - who does it harm? 

 

all interesting points - but I dont think you appreciate exactly the angle she is taking (ie female escort experience vs male escort exp)

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In case anyone thinks I am "anti-research" when I was doing a PhD, several of my peers told me I was wasting my time and we didn't need it, it was already obsolete etc.

 

I was working on software for the control-units for car engines, in order to reduce emissions and reduce fuel usage.

 

Oh you may, say that's all been done. Except I was doing this in 1971.

Whichever way you look at it,some use has been made of this during the past forty years.

is it your opinion then that people should be prevented from doing something which is not deemed to be useful? Who decides? A committee? Fishing, golf and a host of other activities would be banned. Fortunately, we are a curious species. We want to know why and "knowing why is more important than knowing how" (Watson and Crick - they discovered the double helix, the secret of DNA)

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”  Einstein said this.
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all interesting points - but I dont think you appreciate exactly the angle she is taking (ie female escort experience vs male escort exp)

You're right - I haven't got that far yet

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In the tinterests of research and so that you don't have to, I searched adultwork using the towns with the four worst premier league teams this season, for both male and female escorts listed. The results are interesting:

Burnley - 36 women, 27 men

Sunderland - 69 women, 44 men

London - 3495 women, 2478 men

Manchester ( lol ) - 1149 women, 677 men

 

Totals: by these four towns, women account for 60% of escorts advertised.

 

Now you'd be a fool to conclude in any study that punting spend on women accounts for 60% of paid sex nationwide, but I'd love an academic to explain why that is a wrong conclusion. I suspect that women who escort are discrete, and the men advertising on adultwork are cock photography chancers with far fewer customers, but the bare numbers would say there are a lot of male escorts offering themselves. 

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In the tinterests of research and so that you don't have to, I searched adultwork using the towns with the four worst premier league teams this season, for both male and female escorts listed. 

Totals: by these four towns, women account for 60% of escorts advertised.

 

Now you'd be a fool to conclude in any study that punting spend on women accounts for 60% of paid sex nationwide, but I'd love an academic to explain why that is a wrong conclusion. 

Maybe the conclusion would be that if your team's doing badly a man will be likely to turn to escorting as an outlet for his frustration. Try doing the same for the 4 most successful teams. And then try Germany; shock! the number of male escorts there has recently declined by 90%

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Of course - if the objective is to show that female hookers come off worse on most levels through their profession than male hookers - I can see where the researcher is coming from - it would be a popular conclusion and might get a mention in the daily mail.

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In the tinterests of research and so that you don't have to, I searched adultwork using the towns with the four worst premier league teams this season, for both male and female escorts listed. The results are interesting:

Burnley - 36 women, 27 men

Sunderland - 69 women, 44 men

London - 3495 women, 2478 men

Manchester ( lol ) - 1149 women, 677 men

 

Totals: by these four towns, women account for 60% of escorts advertised.

 

Now you'd be a fool to conclude in any study that punting spend on women accounts for 60% of paid sex nationwide, but I'd love an academic to explain why that is a wrong conclusion. I suspect that women who escort are discrete, and the men advertising on adultwork are cock photography chancers with far fewer customers, but the bare numbers would say there are a lot of male escorts offering themselves. 

I think 99% of those guys are just trying thieir luck and have had no takers. I dont believe there is a market for male escorts at all - except the gay market.

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Blimey!

 

Well, I suppose being told your PhD is a crock of shit is a step up from this thread disappearing off the face of the board and therefore into the abyss, so thank you, kind Lancelot! :)

 

I am not here to defend my PhD, nor PhD's more generally. There will be many more 'useful', and many less 'useful' PhD's out there than mine. I will, however, address a couple of things that have arisen so far:

 

I can assure you that heterosexual male escorts do exist, and they do get work. How do I know this? I have researched, emailed, telephoned, posted on message boards, replied to ads, and ultimately interviewed them. However, I would love to know how Lancelot arrived at the '99% of those guys are trying their luck and have had no takers'...

 

This thread contains several 'guesses' and 'I think that'... the whole point of research is to support and refute 'guesses' and 'thoughts' with  defined-boundaries 'evidence'.

 

As to the comment about a 'loaded agenda'. My agenda is to finish my PhD and draw conclusions from the data I have collected, and my on-going agenda, despite my 'shit, boring' study, is to continue tutorials with the hundred or so final year undergraduates I teach each year, on the 'Globalisation and the Sex Trade' module at the university. Invariably, students start the module with little knowledge and with typical preconceptions and biases regarding the sex industry, and by the end of the semester they can discuss, elaborately, different theoretical approaches to sex work, the various political agendas and activism in place across the world, dichotomies of choice and force and issues with statistics, to merely scratch the surface.

 

Anyway, all of this aside, I am now recruiting female escorts. Thank you for the more considered responses on this thread so far!

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"My agenda is to finish my PhD and draw conclusions from the data I have collected, and my on-going agenda, is to continue tutorials with the hundred or so final year undergraduates I teach each year, on the 'Globalisation and the Sex Trade' module at the university."

As you infer, you will probably get many negative responses, especially from those who are in receipt of the services of sex workers, and many will practise -

the principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance—that principle is - contempt prior to investigation."  Are you planning to interview any punters, both practising and those who have given up, including the ones who have seen it as an addiction?

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Maybe it's not too late to switch to a study that compares the attitudes of various parts of society towards white, at-risk, under-age girls.

 

There really is a negligible number of "male-escorts".There is not much demand and it's OBVIOUS why.

So it's NOT IMPORTANT.

 

Forget the brain-washing you may have had from academia and do what a university is supposed to equip you to do, THINK it out for yourself.

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'And to conclude my PHD, I have to report that the members of the punting and escorting community were unhelpful, agressive and considered  my work to be a total waste of time...'

 

Lighten up people: she is looking for information, not opinions!

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Were those male escorts providing services to men? That is possble - so gay escorts for gay men. Yes you would find those.

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Let's look at the wider picture for a moment.

 

On this board we constantly criticise those in authority for their narrow minded and prejudicial approach to prostitution. It is unlikely that we will convert these people, as they will assume that we have an agenda, which, in truth, we have. They will only be influenced by people for whom the have respect and that they feel are independent. Academics fall into that category.

 

So, the more the  academics are able to learn about the workings of the profession the better. Whatever their particular slant on a piece of research, they are receiving a general education at the same time, and learning those things that might, at some point, influence those who control thee law making and administrative processes.

 

So, don't knock them.

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