MinxyLydia

Move To Criminalise Paying For Sex In The Uk

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I rather suspect the big problem being that most punters don't want to officially put their name to being a punter or a supporter of prostitution.

That's my dilemma, I'd love to write and I believe in the cause, not just a selfish punter worried about his own dalliances, but an anonymous letter wouldn't help!

I've been searching for official parliamentary policy on the confidentially applied to letters sent to our MP's and further, whether said confidentiality can be relied upon in corrupt government circles?

Any ideas other than using assumed names?

As Lydia says, we can't let this through and have less than a week!!

DG

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It makes me rather sad that only two people have responded to this. OK, maybe everyone is reading and doing something helpful, but the fact it appears everyone is more interested in comparing Thai women or how cheap it is to get your end away is disheartening. 

 

If this law passed it will be detrimental for escorts, less clients means less money and remember most escorts do this to support their families and don't make thousands. It means women will be forced to be less fussy who they see, do services they don't want to and less likely to call the police if anything goes wrong. 

 

It means YOU as clients can be arrested and charged if you get caught. It's likely to a tiny number but it is more of a possibility. Currently if you are caught up in a raid in a brothel/parlour you'd be sent on your way, now you'll end up in court and possibly with a criminal record. 

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Lydia

I'm going to email later, I won't implicate myself as a punter but there are a great many reasons to object to this without being either a punter or a SP.

This does have to be dealt with urgently and I agree, the whole board should be adding their name here.

DG

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It's just so bloody sneaky. I'm going to write in x

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P.s an anonymous letter is better than none xx

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If labour win next year Harriet "bitch" harmon will no doubt nail ed milibands balls to the desk if he doesn't criminalise men who pay for sex

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Well I've sent my email off to my MP, with a link to the ECP website.

 

I did change the letter format a bit, to play particularly on the safety and protection side. I hope she's receptive, which given she's a Conservative woman and Spurs supporter! I'm not sure about, but nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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Fiona MacTaggart is actually my MP. One more reason to hate Slough.

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There is more information now with some lobbying in parliament.

 

Thanks very much to those who have already sent in objections.

 

If you are writing as an individual, please send your objections first of all to your own MP, then to the Modern Slavery Bill Committee, copied to John McDonnell MP and to us at the ECP. You can find out who your MP is here. Please send by the morning of Tuesday 4 November when the Bill is being discussed in Parliament.

 

If you are from an organisation, please send your objections to us as soon as possible so we can forward it to all MPs.

 

Statements from individual sex workers about how the law will affect you are also useful. Please send them to your MP with a copy to us. Politicians sometimes quote from such statements during debates.

 

Monday 3 November 2014, 6pm: Please come to our meeting in Parliament (room to be confirmed). We are inviting all MPs to be briefed on why the clause will make it dangerous for sex workers.

 

Tuesday 4 November 2014: Come with us to lobby your MP in Parliament. Meet outside House of Commons, time to be confirmed.

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I rather suspect the big problem being that most punters don't want to officially put their name to being a punter or a supporter of prostitution.

That's my dilemma, I'd love to write and I believe in the cause, not just a selfish punter worried about his own dalliances, but an anonymous letter wouldn't help!

I've been searching for official parliamentary policy on the confidentially applied to letters sent to our MP's and further, whether said confidentiality can be relied upon in corrupt government circles?

Any ideas other than using assumed names?

As Lydia says, we can't let this through and have less than a week!!

DG

I have written using the letter mentioned by Elrond. I used my punting name and an accommodation address that I use for private stuff. I guess we could all e-mail a letter to our MP using our punting aliases. The volume of correspondence  should help sway opinion, even if most of it is from punters and escorts.

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This attempt really pisses me off. Its exactly what the Labour party did in Scotland several years ago.  At the last minute they put an amendment into a policing and crime act to criminalize buyers.  So the legislation would get little scrutiny.

 

I know Laura won't like me saying it, but at least the DUP in NI were up front with what they were trying to do.  This scared shity Labour party don't have any conviction and attempt to get legislation through without any one noticing.  Hopefully the rest will see that this needs some sort of discussion and should not be tacked onto a bill.

 

Next year new elections, and looks like Labour won't be running the country, (estimated 4 Labour MPS from Scotland!), if they are they will be a minority party and in coalition with a more sensible party.

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Presumably the ECP have some friendly MP's primed to scupper the amendment at one or more of the various stages, as happened last time.

 

McTaggart can add abuse of the democratic process to her CV of misdemeanours.

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There is more chance of a balanced budget by 2016 then this measure going through a UK Parliament of mostly decent secular cooperative MPs. Even the MEPs of this wonderful Union Kingdom voted 2.5-1 in the Euro Parliament against the recent Honeyball proposal to make criminals of those paying for sexy time.

 

Nevertheless, this strange assymetric proposal will still be around for a couple more decades and a future administration that is pro-dependency may try to get it through, so I've e-mailed an edited extract with real name of what is an excellent prostitutescollective piece to my MP. Pour decourager les autres, bien sur.

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I actually agree with this. In fact, I don't think it goes far enough. For example, some fruit in the UK is picked by people who have been trafficked into this country and kept as slaves. Therefore, we should ban people from exchanging fruit for payment (including but not limitied to drugs or alcohol). Doesn't matter if it's from a family-run farmshop, if you need fruit, you can grow it yourself!

 

Bugger, just realised I don't have a back garden. I'll just have to travel to the den of iniquity, the Netherlands, to buy my five-a-day, and become that most despised of people, the "fruit tourist".

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This all seems somewhat contradictory if we are presently on the verge of recognising incomes from the black economies. It would be the same as asking bank robbers to pay tax on the proceeds of their work, and letting them keep the remainder.

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This all seems somewhat contradictory if we are presently on the verge of recognising incomes from the black economies. It would be the same as asking bank robbers to pay tax on the proceeds of their work, and letting them keep the remainder.

No because bank robbers are committing a crime.

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This all seems somewhat contradictory if we are presently on the verge of recognising incomes from the black economies. It would be the same as asking bank robbers to pay tax on the proceeds of their work, and letting them keep the remainder.

you actually put us, a legal profession, in the same barrier as a bank robber. Mind boggles

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I've got a question for anyone who's familiar with such things: where, exactly, would this proposed amendment appear in the Bill? I ask because the proposed amendment refers to: "...an offence under this section." Which section is that? Is there already a specific section in existence or are they proposing adding a completely new section unrelated to any existing legislation?

 

In any case, the idea of making something an offence under a slavery act because the person is paid to do it seems rather bizarre!

 

The current draft of the Bill, as of 15 October, is here and the main page about the Bill is here

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If Labour win the General Election next year there are a lot of 'Loony' things Harriet Harman and Ed Milliband will introduce.

I don't want to be political but it seems people are slowly realising he just isn't Prime Minister material. Possibly might end up with him in coalition with Lib Dems , would be even worse.....! Argh.......

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I've got a question for anyone who's familiar with such things: where, exactly, would this proposed amendment appear in the Bill? I ask because the proposed amendment refers to: "...an offence under this section." Which section is that? Is there already a specific section in existence or are they proposing adding a completely new section unrelated to any existing legislation?

 

In any case, the idea of making something an offence under a slavery act because the person is paid to do it seems rather bizarre!

 

The current draft of the Bill, as of 15 October, is here and the main page about the Bill is here

 

I was just emailed this, sorry if it is already posted somewhere else. 

 

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/2014-2015/0096/amend/pbc0962810a.665-666.html

 

My vocabulary on Fiona McTaggart is not to be put in print but just grrrr on that woman. 

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I actually agree with this. In fact, I don't think it goes far enough. For example, some fruit in the UK is picked by people who have been trafficked into this country and kept as slaves. Therefore, we should ban people from exchanging fruit for payment (including but not limitied to drugs or alcohol). Doesn't matter if it's from a family-run farmshop, if you need fruit, you can grow it yourself!

 

 

 

I think this is actually the route to go down for those who are in a position to argue the case in public - just laugh the other side out of court. The same applies to

clothes too, of course, with all those illegal sweat-shops. You want to wear clothes? - then run them up on your sewing machine. The amendment to the article will also close down all clothes shops tomorrow.

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Here is Fiona on Radio 4 last night.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04mhd7c  About 10 minutes in.   At 10 Minutes and 20 seconds she says France has gone down the Swedish model in the last 7 days.  Can anyone confirm.

 

At 13.30 Frank Field is asked about Fiona;s bill.   He seems to feel that evidence needs to be found to prove Fiona's bill (Yeah)  But later on he talks about pressurizing the police to raid the brothels of London to free the slaves.  (Not to be done at one time because that would overload the support systems because of the large numbers of slaves who would be found)

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