MissKylie

Why Do Some Clients Assume We Won't Travel Far?

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I asked the ladies this over at Saafe. I can't seem to get a real answer though. I personally will travel all over the UK and internationally, especially for overnight+ bookings.

Im just confused why some clients think that if we're not in their catchment area that we won't travel? This is especially evident in reverse bookings. I'm in Essex and when I bid on reverse bookings in Birmingham, Nottingham or Cheshire for example, I feel they just assume I have not read the booking properly (which I always do) therefore not able to travel. This is really frustrating. So in those types of reverse bookings I now always put "Distance not an issue" and I've also now got a FAQ dedicated to this. I still get men contacting me directly saying how they'd love to see me but I'm "obviously" too far away. I get clients asking if I "tour" London and I just think to myself no, but I'm happy to travel into London whenever for a booking, unfortunately (again) clients think for some reason I'm too far for that.

Of course (if further than Essex and London) I wouldn't travel miles and miles for a short booking, but anything 3hours or longer and I'm mostly happy to. I feel some clients just disregard you if you're not local.

Do any of you guys have an explanation for this?

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Well I wont travel out of MK. I used to work for an outcall agency, I know how common it is for something to come up between us setting off from home and arriving at the end of their street and I refuse to be out of pocket just because someone wife arrived home unexpectedly or he fell asleep or his works after meeting dinner ran over time and he can't think of a good excuse to leave them. 

 

We are all different, if it happens within MK then Im only going to be out max 20 on the there or back taxi fare. If I had a car I may go further as petrol is cheaper than taxi fare.

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I asked the ladies this over at Saafe. I can't seem to get a real answer though. I personally will travel all over the UK and internationally, especially for overnight+ bookings.

Im just confused why some clients think that if we're not in their catchment area that we won't travel? This is especially evident in reverse bookings. I'm in Essex and when I bid on reverse bookings in Birmingham, Nottingham or Cheshire for example, I feel they just assume I have not read the booking properly (which I always do) therefore not able to travel. This is really frustrating. So in those types of reverse bookings I now always put "Distance not an issue" and I've also now got a FAQ dedicated to this. I still get men contacting me directly saying how they'd love to see me but I'm "obviously" too far away. I get clients asking if I "tour" London and I just think to myself no, but I'm happy to travel into London whenever for a booking, unfortunately (again) clients think for some reason I'm too far for that.

Of course (if further than Essex and London) I wouldn't travel miles and miles for a short booking, but anything 3hours or longer and I'm mostly happy to. I feel some clients just disregard you if you're not local.

Do any of you guys have an explanation for this?

 

not sure but it may be they are scared of unexpected travel fees.

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Some punters (married ones, basically) cannot accommodate an outcall or spare the time to travel out to see you, so some of the guys asking if you will tour may be in that position and would only be able to see you if you were offering incalls in their area.

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Some punters (married ones, basically) cannot accommodate an outcall or spare the time to travel out to see you, so some of the guys asking if you will tour may be in that position and would only be able to see you if you were offering incalls in their area.

Yeah very good point, thanks!

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I find that enquirers who send that sort of email either require incall, or don't want to pay outcall fees, some don't even want to pay incall fees, or can't or won't provide outcall screening information, or don't want to book in advance, or just simply want to send an admiration or chat-type email.

 

If you specifically want to offer a travelling service, then say so in your advertising.

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MissKylie, my main concern here is how do you get paid for your travel time before the booking ? Because most of the time you have to pay for your travel yourself, unless the gent books train/plane tickets for you. I'm happy to travel for longer bookings as well but can't find out how to get at least the travel paid if there is an unexpected last minute cancellation.

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MissKylie, my main concern here is how do you get paid for your travel time before the booking ? Because most of the time you have to pay for your travel yourself, unless the gent books train/plane tickets for you. I'm happy to travel for longer bookings as well but can't find out how to get at least the travel paid if there is an unexpected last minute cancellation.

i have seen some sell 'travel' in their sales page - that way you get some travel money before you set off.

not sure it would go down well with punters tho.  Breaks the 'no cash till you get in the bedroom' rule.

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i have seen some sell 'travel' in their sales page - that way you get some travel money before you set off.

not sure it would go down well with punters tho.  Breaks the 'no cash till you get in the bedroom' rule.

 

Mmmh. So we shouldn't travel out of our area then, according to you. Breaks the "I really want to meet YOU" rule.

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MissKylie, my main concern here is how do you get paid for your travel time before the booking ? Because most of the time you have to pay for your travel yourself, unless the gent books train/plane tickets for you. I'm happy to travel for longer bookings as well but can't find out how to get at least the travel paid if there is an unexpected last minute cancellation.

Hiya,

Once I've got their full details, including address and hotel room number or home landline number and done my security checks, I generally won't ask for a deposit, not if it's under a couple of hours away. Anything more then yes of course I'd ask for a deposit. When I did a tip to Paris in October to see a client he obviously sent me the full amount for my EuroStar ticket before I left.

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i have seen some sell 'travel' in their sales page - that way you get some travel money before you set off.

not sure it would go down well with punters tho.  Breaks the 'no cash till you get in the bedroom' rule.

The problem then is what happens if there is an problem en route. This hasn't happened often but in 5 years I've had a vehicle break down just 6 miles away from an outcall, trains back after an simple city centre outcall to get me back in good time for an incall hours later were all cancelled, 3 vehicle issues before setting off - daft things like -16 degree temperatures killing a battery, wing mirror ripped off by helpful passer by which I didn't notice until it was too late, and a long time ago went to vehicle to find one tyre flat. Traffic jams that aren't usually there, suddenly being in the way.

 

Not getting there means return of his deposit (unless he rebooks), your wasted time and possibly advance ticket fees. I am however happy to say I have attended many outcalls, some who had paid a deposit in lieu of fulfilling screening info, including one person who paid in full upfront via bank transfer. The stress I was under when the sat nav needed a reset but no long pointy thing to do it with in the car, then an unexpected sudden traffic jam, followed by careering around country lanes on a 'back route', was pretty high. I kept thinking "This guy is going to think I'm doing a fast one, and this who escapade which was meant to be a quick, short notice hour or two is now taking twice as long".

 

If however you really enjoy the successful ones, and perhaps you aren't as much a Calamity Jane as I am, then go for it!

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Mmmh. So we shouldn't travel out of our area then, according to you. Breaks the "I really want to meet YOU" rule.

 

no. I was just saying there may be customer resistance to asking for deposits.

to be honest if I wanted to see a particular girl it would not occur to me to make her travel.  I have travelled considerable distances to see the right girl.  Even went from south of brum to York just for an hours punt.

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Cant be assed to read the  comments( sore eyes due to much vodka yesterday ) but i presume most girls dont travel because

1) it cost to travel

2) if hes a no show you have lost money and time

3) busy enough in current location so no need to travel

and most importantly no 4) having a day job!

 

well there my reasons anyway !

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No explanation i can give but i do appreciate a lady who trusts me enough to travel miles and miles for a date...

As mentioned there are a number of things that could lead to the ladies being out of pocket so this is where everyones individual sixth sense comes in handy...

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I would not book a far away lady (even if she is willing) since 1) it adds to the emotional pressure - I *have* to like the punt (and her) since she has invested 2) Why *would* she invest so much time to come and see me, are there not local guys? Is there some value issue (rates versus service)? 3) Somehow I am going to pay for it - even if included, somehow I am paying.  So  local girl seems easier.  Not saying this is right, just saying this is my thinking.

 

These risks go down for girls I have seen before (e.g. clearly 2 does not apply since having met me I would know why she wants to return :P  ) but I think I still wouldn't want her to travel to see me.

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Surely because clients don't want to have to pay extra for travel time or travel/ petrol expenses. If it's a good distance and these aren't asked for then they probably assume the escort is a bit desperate for work which is never attractive.

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Griffon already posted some really good points.

 

If I was a client, and had a reverse booking from the woman who lives 100 or so miles away, few questions will arise.

 

1) Why does she prepare to spent at least £40 for a return train fare, and more importantly probably loose 3 days of the work locally?  (if you drive yourself, petrol cost will be even more).

 

2) Why does she agreed for the reverse booking (which is usually bellow average rates). Does not she has enough work locally? (which is not a good sign).

 

3) Whats happened if I don't get on during appointment, and either him or you don't want to proceed with the booking? ( I assume it will be a client which he/you did not met before, otherwise you would not bid on RB). It will be quite a complicated matter to arrange alternative accommodation, as most of the trains stop running after 9pm.  Even worse: if you need to drive back for few hours. At least when you local, this problem are easily solved.

 

4) As Griffon said: He still will end up to pay for time travel and expenses. Maybe not explicitly so, (as you gave him fully inclusive price) but he still does.

Its very similar when some guys offer to pay me for a cab back home on the top of my fee. Even if suppose to be "nice gentleman gesture", I know that I need to work extra for it to justify it.  So its never exactly "free".

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Thank god I live in London as we have so much choice & only max 1 hour travelling time.

Arranging all of the above would be extra pressure and a pain in the ass.

Trying to arrange an incall with a very popular girl 1 month in advance is stressful enough ;)

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I find it a confusing question. Why would you travel far, unless you live in the back of beyond, in which case you'd be touring? I would hurl myself onto trains, planes and automobiles to meet up with one of my good regulars, but for some random stranger who found me on the internet? Hardly...

I'm busy enough where I am,and usually, when I stray too far from base, I find I miss calls from regulars, so traveling does me no favors.

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If an escort is so desperate for work that she is prepared to travel "all  over the UK and internationally" she clearly cannot generate enough work close to home.

 

That raises enough questions as to put me off wanting to see her.

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If an escort is so desperate for work that she is prepared to travel "all  over the UK and internationally" she clearly cannot generate enough work close to home.

 

That raises enough questions as to put me off wanting to see her.

 

There are escorts who travel internationally on a regular basis, to meet clients according to their business schedule. Not the kind of ladies you find on AW I guess, higher standards and higher rates. Also, some fortunate clients can book a lady for a weekend or a trip. There is nothing "desperate" there ?

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French Belle is right, lots of us travel internationally. But, I usually accompany established clients, not to fly out to meet a guy I haven't met before. I've travelled with businessmen, and then bumped into London regulars as far afield as Budapest and Cairo, usually in some hotel. The poor guys look completely panicked, as if the first thing that goes through their minds is: OMG, the mad bitch is stalking me. Small world.

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As I only do outcalls, I do use RBs on slower weeks.

Luckily as someone mentioned, I too am in London so it's pretty consistent.

 

But personally, keeping business in mind... I'm not sure why you'd want to be out of pocket for travel unless there aren't many clients where you live.

Each to their own but I assume that's the first thought going through their mind if you're 2+ hours away.

 

For me, I look at it timewise vs money more than anything. Often get requests for locations say 2 hours outside London, and I will only ever take them for a longer booking (if it takes me 1+ hour to travel each way, I want a 2 hour booking, 2+ hours a 4 hour booking, etc - keeping in mind the travel time). Travelling is the most boring bit for me loool but I don't ask for expenses so I think that's fair!

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French Belle is right, lots of us travel internationally. But, I usually accompany established clients, not to fly out to meet a guy I haven't met before. I've travelled with businessmen, and then bumped into London regulars as far afield as Budapest and Cairo, usually in some hotel. The poor guys look completely panicked, as if the first thing that goes through their minds is: OMG, the mad bitch is stalking me. Small world.

 

Similarly strange things happen to me: I recognise people I met in different parts of the world and many years ago who were friends of friends.  They do not recognise me though as they concentrate on my long hair rather than the central part of the face that hardly changes.  I then play a memory game with them to see if they recognise me: always with hilarious results.

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As said the travel costs and the time issue and if the client was a no show and you have travelled that distance with no client, no money, a travel bill.  What I have found is for example one lady travelled say 60 miles to me for a 2 hour which at £280 was worth it.  She wouldn't do the hour as she hadn't met me.  Since then I have seen her for the hour as she knows I am genuine and am trustworthy and still worth the fee.  If she ask for an extra £20 for fuel then yes I would pay her!  

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