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A New Metric For Field Reporting?

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There have been a number of debates recently about subjects related to the listing and provision of specific services as well as to the contribution that the integrity of such listings makes to the subsequent enjoyment of a booking.  

 

For some, the availability of specific acts is central to the success of a punt. For others, this appears to be less so.  As a result -- in short, because all of us aren't looking for the same thing and judging our bookings in the same way as each other -- it seems to me that the present very general metrics by which we judge our punts are inadequate.  This makes Field Reports rather hard to assess.  As a result, I throw open a discussion about the possible adoption of a new system or approach.

For me, there is not one metric but (at least) two by which a punt can be judged.

 

The first is Quality of Service.  This isn't quite the phrase I really want, but for now it'll do.  Quality of Service relates only to the availability of what is listed, and whether it is discharged correctly, as you might expect.  In other words, does the service provider do what it says on her tin, and does she do it properly in so far as it's reasonable to judge?  As an example, if the SP says "I provide anal" then she must provide it to score highly on this metric.  But if she does insert your penis into her bottom and she then wiggles around appropriately regardless of anything else she must pass muster on quality of service.  This metric reflects a degree of integrity and reliability in a service provider, but nothing else.

 

The second metric I propose is different; Quality of Experience.  This relates not to whether the advertised service was discharged, but simply to whether you enjoyed whatever service you received.  Was the girl friendly?  Was there good chemistry?  Did you like her?  Would you enjoy her company again? Not what did you get in a technical sense, but what were you given in an emotional one?  This is totally different, but equally important and valid way of assessing a punt.

 

The two metrics may be entirely exclusive of each other (or may not).  A girl may score 10/10 on quality of service simply because technically, she does as advertised in a proficient manner but at the same time 0/10 for experience because she does what she says in a distant and mechanical way.  It is up to each of us to assess whether such a booking would be a good one.  Those who value the service over the connection might argue that it is.  Those who feel the opposite would not.  Equally, a girl may theoretically score 0/10 on quality of service, doing almost nothing listed on her profile.  But what she does do might yield a wonderful quality of experience, even a 10/10.  If we know how someone weighs against both metrics, we have to better informed, no?

 

I can think of many girls who straddle the boundaries above; girls who've failed to deliver what I've asked for but who I've visited again and again simply because they've charmed me.  And I've met excellent providers of specialist services that I've occasionally requested with whom I've had no desire to engage in a repeat simply because the "experience" wasn't there.  Again, I think having two, rather one metric against which to measure punts might be useful for all of us.

 

Enough. The point in writing isn't to say the above proposed system is a good one or the right one.  It's just to initiate a debate about how we can add value to the way our punts are assessed.  Or perhaps it's just because these are the sort of things I think about when I'm running.  Anyway, if anyone wants to comment then over to all of you...

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Good post Lohengrin.

In any report, there is the problem of observer bias. To mitigate this, I would suggest the following "mood meter" be used.

There are 3 components to the mood meter:

Alert 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Tired

Energetic 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Tense

Kindly 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Mean

The 3 scales don't match each other. They test for different emotional effects. So you can be alert, tense and mean. Or you can be alert, tense and kindly.

It can be used before a punt, and after it. Before and afterwards, you make a note on the scale according to how you feel. You just assign a number from 1 - 7 on each scale.

You, and other punters , would then gain an objective assessment of the effect the service provider had on your emotional state.

It would be fairer to the service provider. If you went in fairly miserable at 6 on the Kindly- Mean scale and came out at 4, that's still an improvement of +2.

On the other hand ( voila l'horreur you are predisposed to "FLUFFINESS") you might go in at 3 on the same scale, and come out at 2. Naturally, you'd probably write a positive report. But you've really just moved by +1.

Using the mood meter instead of or in addition to reports, would give a better overall picture.

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Good post Lohengrin.

In any report, there is the problem of observer bias. To mitigate this, I would suggest the following "mood meter" be used.

There are 3 components to the mood meter:

Alert 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Tired

Energetic 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Tense

Kindly 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Mean

The 3 scales don't match each other. They test for different emotional effects. So you can be alert, tense and mean. Or you can be alert, tense and kindly.

It can be used before a punt, and after it. Before and afterwards, you make a note on the scale according to how you feel. You just assign a number from 1 - 7 on each scale.

You, and other punters , would then gain an objective assessment of the effect the service provider had on your emotional state.

It would be fairer to the service provider. If you went in fairly miserable at 6 on the Kindly- Mean scale and came out at 4, that's still an improvement of +2.

On the other hand ( voila l'horreur you are predisposed to "FLUFFINESS") you might go in at 3 on the same scale, and come out at 2. Naturally, you'd probably write a positive report. But you've really just moved by +1.

Using the mood meter instead of or in addition to reports, would give a better overall picture.

Couldn't have put it better myself and Lohengrin needs to get out more.

 

:rolleyes:

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While i quite agree with much of what you say in terms of how you (or indeed I) may individually judge the merits of an encounter I can't help but think this is too complicated a model to expect everyone to be able complete on each FR. I do think that a well written FR may in the narrative try and tease out if the sum of the parts on the punt were actually greater than the constituant parts which i think is what you are trying to get at in the quality of experience. But of course if the extent of the FR is only "nice woman not to be missed" then you don't learn much and i don't think complicating the process for this type of poster would result in painting a fuller picture

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This is all getting way too scientific!! A punt should be an exchange of fun between a male and a female. Anything else which  seeks to either measure it or complicate it is superfluous in my view.

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Good post Lohengrin.

In any report, there is the problem of observer bias. To mitigate this, I would suggest the following "mood meter" be used.

There are 3 components to the mood meter:

Alert 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Tired

Energetic 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Tense

Kindly 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 Mean

The 3 scales don't match each other. They test for different emotional effects. So you can be alert, tense and mean. Or you can be alert, tense and kindly.

It can be used before a punt, and after it. Before and afterwards, you make a note on the scale according to how you feel. You just assign a number from 1 - 7 on each scale.

You, and other punters , would then gain an objective assessment of the effect the service provider had on your emotional state.

It would be fairer to the service provider. If you went in fairly miserable at 6 on the Kindly- Mean scale and came out at 4, that's still an improvement of +2.

On the other hand ( voila l'horreur you are predisposed to "FLUFFINESS") you might go in at 3 on the same scale, and come out at 2. Naturally, you'd probably write a positive report. But you've really just moved by +1.

Using the mood meter instead of or in addition to reports, would give a better overall picture.

 

Woah ! my maths isn't a strong subject  :) :)

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When I reflect on my best experiences, the most memorable part of the visit and a common theme is the quality of the experience, sometimes called the click factor.  Defining quality of experience is however I think not easy and will also vary significantly from one person to another as it is heavily reliant imo on the personality dynamic between the provider and the client.  Not all clients are the same so that dynamic will always differ, indeed the dynamic can be different just depending on the respective moods etc. of the participants.

 

I still think it is a worthwhile debate to have even if nothing results from it :confused: I commend Lohengrin for raising it.

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I actually think the AW template for reports is quite good. You can rate the venue, whether the description of the wg matches her profile, her personality (which to me would encompass attitude), whether her services accurate and finally a section to describe your meeting.

All it needs is a little honesty and used in the way it was intended and it could be a good and useful resource.

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Why are people always trying to make thing better which are already fine the way they are?

Don't fix what's not broke.

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Exactly. There is no review system that would be perfect for everyone. I think the reviews here are fine. There is nothing stopping a guy giving a girl maks out of ten on his review already as there is ample space to write what he wishes 

 

Good well thought out post L but I think the other poster is right, it would put some off it too complicated even if its not really that complicated but only appears so.

 

I think the fact that on aw you can leave a full review or chose to leave a couple of lines of feedback instead and the popularity of the feedback has shown that guys want less complicated rather than more (dont like to compare here to there but its just an example. The one liners on there always far outstrip the full reviews in numbers)

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Exactly. There is no review system that would be perfect for everyone. I think the reviews here are fine. There is nothing stopping a guy giving a girl maks out of ten on his review already as there is ample space to write what he wishes 

 

Good well thought out post L but I think the other poster is right, it would put some off it too complicated even if its not really that complicated but only appears so.

 

I think the fact that on aw you can leave a full review or chose to leave a couple of lines of feedback instead and the popularity of the feedback has shown that guys want less complicated rather than more (dont like to compare here to there but its just an example. The one liners on there always far outstrip the full reviews in numbers)

One thing I hate about AW's reports is marks out of 10. We're not schoolteachers marking someone's homework! It's the same on a couple of other sites I've written reports on, but as the score section isn't mandatory like it is on on AW I refuse to complete it.

I too think the reports section on here is more than adequate. People can write comments as the OP suggests - although I do agree that a standard template is a good idea as it's easier to judge specific criteria.

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One thing I hate about AW's reports is marks out of 10. We're not schoolteachers marking someone's homework! It's the same on a couple of other sites I've written reports on, but as the score section isn't mandatory like it is on on AW I refuse to complete it.

I too think the reports section on here is more than adequate. People can write comments as the OP suggests - although I do agree that a standard template is a good idea as it's easier to judge specific criteria.

No I agree and its not unknown for an aw reviewer to not realise he has to pick a score or the girl i believe gets an automatic 5/10 

 

However if a guy really wants to give a girl a score then he can do it in the section provided already, that was my point, the system here doesnt need changing. There is a great big section to write whatever you want about the meeting so if someone wants too, they can, thats all i meant

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No I agree and its not unknown for an aw reviewer to not realise he has to pick a score or the girl i believe gets an automatic 5/10  However if a guy really wants to give a girl a score then he can do it in the section provided already, that was my point, the system here doesnt need changing. There is a great big section to write whatever you want about the meeting so if someone wants too, they can, thats all i meant

Yep I was agreeing with you that the system here is better in that leaving a 'score' can be done if wanted but isn't mandatory lke it is on AW. Plus as you say the default on AW is 5/10. It can be difficult to navigate if leaving a FR on a mobile and easy to miss the score altogether.

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I actually think the AW template for reports is quite good. You can rate the venue, whether the description of the wg matches her profile, her personality (which to me would encompass attitude), whether her services accurate and finally a section to describe your meeting.

All it needs is a little honesty and used in the way it was intended and it could be a good and useful resource.

 

Don't forget we are all different and our perception or expectations is not similar to other people.  That is why some guys into very kinky stuff for example will give a girl a 10, whereas others will say: 'fu&^ing what?'

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Don't forget we are all different and our perception or expectations is not similar to other people.  That is why some guys into very kinky stuff for example will give a girl a 10, whereas others will say: 'fu&^ing what?'

Precisely. Or more likely someone like me, Mr Vanilla, will rate a girl 10/10, and someone into kinkier stuff will think WTF? It's totally subjective and IMO quite worthless. Personally I take no notice of marks out of 10. Comments about confirming services, profile accuracy & attitude are of far more value to me as a punter.

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I feel the AW system works OK but I resent the point scoring system and the requirement for putting 150 words is a real pain, especially after an underwhelming visit.

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I feel the AW system works OK but I resent the point scoring system and the requirement for putting 150 words is a real pain, especially after an underwhelming visit.

 

Can't you just leave feedback? AW accommodates the little summary feedbacks as well as FRs

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Can't you just leave feedback? AW accommodates the little summary feedbacks as well as FRs

Yes, but it is more helpful  to my fellow punters to leave a full review, I think.

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The AW system is fine, at least in terms of the various headings used. 

 

Like others, I have problems with the points scoring system primarily because it seems to me that people give 10/10 far too easily and, therefore, if you give, say, 7/10 for a pretty good but not exceptional punt, it may look as if you are marking the girl down. 

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Yes, but it is more helpful  to my fellow punters to leave a full review, I think.

 

But so much can be said in just one sentence i.e. offered all services as advertised blah blah blah. See?

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I suppose you could open up all aspects of this. wg and punters could almost be writing something like a dating profile to get a bit nearer to a compatible meet.

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The AW system is fine, at least in terms of the various headings used. 

 

Like others, I have problems with the points scoring system primarily because it seems to me that people give 10/10 far too easily and, therefore, if you give, say, 7/10 for a pretty good but not exceptional punt, it may look as if you are marking the girl down. 

If you do that some girls will "literally" throw the toys out of the pram!

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Sorry... I'm afraid I have an issue with the metric system...

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As a punter who has never made a booking via AW and likely never will.. This thread confuses the hell out of me.. I have no desire to rate another human being out of 10 or a 100.. Is demeaning to me.. Over the years I have had good/adequate/excellent and poor/bad punts from field reports here.. As for any system it is always going to be subjective.. If I consider it honest and truthful is all I need.. If I suspect it is dishonest or cheerleading or just plain nasty for some kind of agenda I can personally see it. I just wonder why this thread has been started? Is some other site trying to do something I know nothing about?

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Sorry... I'm afraid I have an issue with the metric system...

Would you prefer the good olde English "Imperial" system then? :)

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