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A written answer provided in the House of Lords yesterday........

 

The Bishop of St Albans (Bishop)

To ask Her Majesty’s Government what consideration they have given to criminalising the purchase of sex in order to protect vulnerable women.

 

Lord Bates (Conservative)

The government is committed to eradicating violence against women and girls. This includes protecting those involved in prostitution who are particularly vulnerable. We are also committed to tackling the harm and exploitation to individuals, impact on communities, and links to organised crime, that can be associated with prostitution. Our focus is on harm-minimisation, including supporting those who wish to exit prostitution.

 

Our progress is constantly reviewed via the cross-government action plan on violence against women and girls. We are in regular dialogue with the relevant policing leads and the Crown Prosecution Service, to ensure that legislation and its enforcement remains as effective as possible.

 

Hansard source (Citation: HL Deb, 17 December 2014, c92W)

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He doesn't give up......

 

The Bishop of St Albans (Bishop)

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 17 December 2014 (HL3283), what plans they have to introduce legislation to criminalise the purchase of sex.

 

Lord Bates (Conservative)

The government currently has no such plans, and I refer to my answer of 17 December 2014 to question HL3283 on this matter.

 

Hansard source (Citation: HL Deb, 15 January 2015, c273W)

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He doesn't give up......

 

The Bishop of St Albans (Bishop)

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 17 December 2014 (HL3283), what plans they have to introduce legislation to criminalise the purchase of sex.

 

Lord Bates (Conservative)

The government currently has no such plans, and I refer to my answer of 17 December 2014 to question HL3283 on this matter.

 

Hansard source (Citation: HL Deb, 15 January 2015, c273W)

 

I wish these old men in dresses would just shut up.

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These bishops should put their own house in order before abusing their historic powers by spreading their hypocritical views.

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Another stupid debacle fuelled by belief in some imaginary being. FFS

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This is close to home for me.

Notice that the Bishop doesn't acknowledge his view in his questioning. On the face of it his very question might lead you to believe he has a view in the nature of 'yes Criminalise'. But I wouldn't be quite so sure as to castigate him from these quarters.

UP

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This is close to home for me.

 

Hi UP,

 

As he is 'your' bishop how about dropping him a line asking him to join this forum so he can discuss the issues with informed people, including WGs?

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Yup he didn't give away his stance, which could lie in either direction.

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Yup he didn't give away his stance, which could lie in either direction.

One way to find out - I've just e-mailed his PA to ask him for a brief view( contact details from the Bishop of St Albans web-site ).

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The PA has replied - 'Just an acknowledgement, Bishop Alan is away for a week, but will reply as soon as possible'.

I can't wait, smiles.

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The PA has replied - 'Just an acknowledgement, Bishop Alan is away for a week, but will reply as soon as possible'.

I can't wait, smiles.

I hope you are a patient chap. I feel you will be sent a load of platitudes.

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Or possibly Beatitudes?

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He doesn't give up......

 

The Bishop of St Albans (Bishop)

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 17 December 2014 (HL3283), what plans they have to introduce legislation to criminalise the purchase of sex.

 

Lord Bates (Conservative)

The government currently has no such plans, and I refer to my answer of 17 December 2014 to question HL3283 on this matter.

 

Hansard source (Citation: HL Deb, 15 January 2015, c273W)

 

He has now asked the same question for a THIRD time!

 

Written Answers on 2 Feb 2015

 

The Bishop of St Albans (Bishop)

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 17 December 2014 (HL3283), whether they will now state what consideration they have given to introducing or amending legislation to criminalise the purchase of sex in order to protect vulnerable women.

 

Lord Bates (Conservative)

With regard to prostitution, the Government focus is on harm minimisation and I refer to my answer of 17 December 2014 to question HL3283 on this matter.

 

 

He must have an agenda on this issue mustn't he?

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He has now asked the same question for a THIRD time!

 

Written Answers on 2 Feb 2015

 

The Bishop of St Albans (Bishop)

To ask Her Majesty’s Government, further to the Written Answer by Lord Bates on 17 December 2014 (HL3283), whether they will now state what consideration they have given to introducing or amending legislation to criminalise the purchase of sex in order to protect vulnerable women.

 

Lord Bates (Conservative)

With regard to prostitution, the Government focus is on harm minimisation and I refer to my answer of 17 December 2014 to question HL3283 on this matter.

 

 

He must have an agenda on this issue mustn't he?

You think the fool at least wait for Millipede and Harman to get in,

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The Bishop of St Albans has replied to my enquiry as to what his considered view on this is ( based on the number of questions, I presumed that he had a considered view and would share it ):

 

Dear Bongo:

My interest stems from the commitment by the Diocese of St Albans to oppose gender-based violence ( which is why I have been asking a number of related questions, such as on FGM ).

I have been following the discussions in Scotland, where the government is considering adopting the 'Nordic Model' of criminalising the purchase of sex. I understand that it draws on research indicating that this approach protects vulnerable people who have been forced into prostitution. I have been pressing the UK Government to find out their views on the research - so far to little avail! 

+Alan

 

I think porker paul should get a + for his prediction.

 

I've thanked the Bishop for his reply. I won't question him further, as my original enquiry said there are other places to debate this and my question was specifically just to establish his view.

If he wants my view on him being a Bishop then it would be that the UK needs some sort of variant of the US constitution's 1st amendment - something like 'Parliament may give no financial favour regarding the promotion of religion'. After all it was Jesus who said 'render unto Caesar what is Caesar's' so the Bishops should have no problem with having their gift-aid took off them.

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Well done Bongo.

 

The discussions that the Scottish Government are having appear to be following the well-trodden path of the Anti-Sex brigade. They keep repeating the mis-information that supports their case:

  • That the sale of sex is illegal, which it isn't in UK
  • That the Nordic model has reduced demand, for which there is little evidence
  • That the Nordic model has made it safer for working girls which is also not true based on the postings, by those who know, in this forum and elsewhere.

If the good bishop does not do his own research then he might well take the lies about the Nordic model at face value and continue to support those who want to make the buying of sex illegal. How can we get the message across, to the bishop and other infulential people, that they are being bamboozled by lies and propaganda?

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