The Bear

What Am I Missing With Agencies?

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I was reading the "YMMV" topic just now and the following occurred to me:

 

Having been punting off and on in UK and around the world for more than 20 years, I have NEVER called an agency!

I cannot for the life of me understand why guys do and pay a lot more for the same level of service.

 

Reading reviews on here and other sites, it would seem to me that there is an equal spread of good and bad agencies and "Indies" so it's no guarantee of better (or worse) service

 

There also seems to be little more in the way of "security" for the nervous punters using agencies either - after all, however glossy the website, one has no idea who is really behind an agency.

 

I must admit that I regard all agencies (Estate, Travel, Employment and Escort) as parasites / pimps anyway, but notwithstanding that....why do my fellow punters choose them and, as the title says "What am I missing"?

 

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I, too, have never used an agency. I have used parlours in the distant past but now I prefer "to talk to the organ grinder rather than the monkey" when setting up a meeting

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I, too, have never used an agency. I have used parlours in the distant past but now I prefer "to talk to the organ grinder rather than the monkey" when setting up a meeting

I hope you're not suggesting paid for bestiality there PP! :huh:

Seriously, thanks  - that has always been my thought too, hence my question. Oddly, my past includes a few visits to parlours, notably when I lived near Central London but I never really enjoyed those experiences.

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I've used agencies in the dim and distant past and have never had any kind of problem with them or the sex worker.. Services were good.. Never gave it a seconds thought as to who was behind them.. Not all that sure I cared back then.. 

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I suppose you're missing out on the wg's who only work for agencies?

Same here, I prefer to be as sure as I can be that the wg is ok with meeting me having communicated with me first, rather than just being told whom she's meeting next. Plus I don't really like paying a middle man.

The wg I was seeing also did agency work, and at one point I did offer to just book through the agency if it made life easier for her. She actually asked me not to as she said she'd prefer to see me on a non agency day, mainly due to time constraints etc., and having to vacate the incall premises pretty sharpish for the next booking. That's the closest I've become and probably ever will to using an agency!

That's my personal choice, the wg I saw was quite happy doing agency work and reckoned the agencies she was with were ok although one of them wasn't too happy when she said she was leaving so soon after starting with them again which is tough luck basically!

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I hope you're not suggesting paid for bestiality there PP! :huh:

Seriously, thanks  - that has always been my thought too, hence my question. Oddly, my past includes a few visits to parlours, notably when I lived near Central London but I never really enjoyed those experiences.

Not with a bear, that's for sure!! :huh:

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Not with a bear, that's for sure!! :huh:

Touché!  :D

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I, too, have never used an agency. I have used parlours in the distant past but now I prefer "to talk to the organ grinder rather than the monkey" when setting up a meeting

Just watch yourself Paul........

 

organ grinders indeed!

 

Or was that deliberate?  After all.............. it is what we do..................organs.... grinding............. 

 

my coat is on but I am going nowhere

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I've used agencies in the dim and distant past and have never had any kind of problem with them or the sex worker.. Services were good.. Never gave it a seconds thought as to who was behind them.. Not all that sure I cared back then.. 

That was the dim and distant past................

 

things may well be rather different now.................... 

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That was the dim and distant past................

 

things may well be rather different now.................... 

Care to enlarge on that "things may well be rather different now.................... " comment?

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Care to enlarge on that "things may well be rather different now.................... " comment?

yes Mr Bear............. here is my enlargement...

 

I can only speak of my own area.....................  but imagine it applies in most cities......

 

10 years ago we knew who ran the agencies..... I met several agents...... and whether I liked them all didn't matter.............. they were real.... English and decent enough folk. The clients got to know them as personable approachable people.... perhaps with the odd exception.

 

Now though............. too many agencies  seem to go through "bosses" very quickly............. clients not knowing who they are speaking to on the phone.  

 

It is not the nice industry it was just a few short years ago.

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yes Mr Bear............. here is my enlargement...

 

I can only speak of my own area.....................  but imagine it applies in most cities......

 

10 years ago we knew who ran the agencies..... I met several agents...... and whether I liked them all didn't matter.............. they were real.... English and decent enough folk. The clients got to know them as personable approachable people.... perhaps with the odd exception.

 

Now though............. too many agencies  seem to go through "bosses" very quickly............. clients not knowing who they are speaking to on the phone.  

 

It is not the nice industry it was just a few short years ago.

Gotcha - reading between the lines a little, as it were  - Thanks Lynn :P Actually I think the same applies to some of the other agency types I mentioned in my OP ;)

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So; agencies are now a blot on the landscape?

I use one agency because they let me book via email

and more than a week in advance. I have huge problems hearing people on the phone, doubly so with foreign accents. Lots of indies here say they prefer phone bookings and hence I hesitate to call them. Yes, I know you are all lovely women and if I began the call with "please have patience as I am deaf" all would be well.

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what are you missing by not using an agency?

 

not much! 

paying more than seeing the girl  indie, a normally grumpy receptionist and no direct speaking with the escort before the meet......

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My first punt was via an agency - I was overseas with poor command of the local language thus an agency with a website in english and useful information provided in english (mainly what languages their girls spoke and how fluent they were) so from that point of view it was actually the best option (and yes it was before I discovered this site amongst others).

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So; agencies are now a blot on the landscape?

I use one agency because they let me book via email

and more than a week in advance. I have huge problems hearing people on the phone, doubly so with foreign accents. Lots of indies here say they prefer phone bookings and hence I hesitate to call them. Yes, I know you are all lovely women and if I began the call with "please have patience as I am deaf" all would be well.

 

Don't worry Lessingham, there are also indies who are not confident on the phone either, and prefer emails and texts as they have a better command of written english... ;)

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what are you missing by not using an agency?

 

not much! 

paying more than seeing the girl  indie, a normally grumpy receptionist and no direct speaking with the escort before the meet......

That is generally an essential requirement for me. Very rarely, I break my rule; life can give one surprises but only if you do what the corporate geeks now call "due diligence"!

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Nice summary of the present situation, Lynn. There's one agency dahn sarf that I trust. It's been run by an ex-escort for several years and carries out proper security checks for the escorts. Descriptions are accurate, and the photos are 'real'. There is phone contact between escort and client before meetings are agreed, and the fees are reasonable. If and when I find a dearth of 'regulars' available I'll go to them again.

And there are the others, especially those spawned by AW.... In one case, several years ago now, on her third visit I asked an excellent lady (new to escorting) why she didn't seem to be 'reporting in' - the bloody place closed down at 6pm and girls had absolutely no security after that time. The barstewards had women out at all times of the night without any prior checks nor emergency cover. (After I'd shown the lady the SAAFE site and chatted a bit she left them very rapidly.)

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The conclusions here depend greatly on where in the UK you are.  In some areas agency is a very helpful shortcut to a good punt.  Sure, with the right research and planning one can get a good indie WG anywhere, but sometimes lots of research and planning is not an option.  In some areas an agency is a short cut to raising the odds from 50 50 to 80 20.

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Don't worry Lessingham, there are also indies who are not confident on the phone either, and prefer emails and texts as they have a better command of written english... ;)

As in fact is the case with my favourite lady. When I first knew her and for quite some time after, she wouldn't even answer the phone but always replied to texts. Recently she pretty much said what French Belle said, and also pointed out that it's a good way for her to filter out the timewasters. However now she knows me and recognises my number, she takes my calls :P

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The conclusions here depend greatly on where in the UK you are.  In some areas agency is a very helpful shortcut to a good punt.  Sure, with the right research and planning one can get a good indie WG anywhere, but sometimes lots of research and planning is not an option.  In some areas an agency is a short cut to raising the odds from 50 50 to 80 20.

So it would seem Griffon11. Also, my original question has been answered  - thanks peeps.

 

I shall continue avoiding agencies, as a personal preference and as none of the reasons others give for using them apply to me.

 

But I can see how agencies may suit the needs of others. To paraphrase Monty Python "we're all individuals" :cool:  :D  

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I too used to use agencies back in the day. It felt safer and felt more formal - also safer for the ladies as they had drivers. Actually the agency used to get the ladies to call me after I'd confirmed booking over the phone so we could talk privately about the booking, which I think was a good thing and usually hyped the anticipation if you clicked. That's probably changed now? With the few agencies that I used, I got pretty much a great service with most of the girls, most of whom were stunning 'model' types. Although there have been some bad moments service wise.

 

10-15 years ago or more, agency rates were still that same as they are today - £150-200 on av. for 1hr in-call, so I guess inflation hasn't affected the rates for punters. Back then £200 was worth a bit more than it is today, I suppose. Parlour prices have hiked up to pretty much double for the same services in the same time scale.

 

I think since AW came into being, it allowed a lot more ladies to become self sufficient and attract their own clients. There are caveats to using AW for both parties involved; security and knowing what you're getting. However, I think it's less necessary to use agencies today.

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I was reading the "YMMV" topic just now and the following occurred to me:

 

Having been punting off and on in UK and around the world for more than 20 years, I have NEVER called an agency!

I cannot for the life of me understand why guys do and pay a lot more for the same level of service.

 

Reading reviews on here and other sites, it would seem to me that there is an equal spread of good and bad agencies and "Indies" so it's no guarantee of better (or worse) service

 

There also seems to be little more in the way of "security" for the nervous punters using agencies either - after all, however glossy the website, one has no idea who is really behind an agency.

 

I must admit that I regard all agencies (Estate, Travel, Employment and Escort) as parasites / pimps anyway, but notwithstanding that....why do my fellow punters choose them and, as the title says "What am I missing"?

 

I remember as a child watching movies about pimps in NY kicking and pushing the girls and then taking their money, so I doubt this is what is happening in today's UK.  I know lots of girls, especially foreign, who chose to join agencies for all the reasons mentioned above (also not having to pay for a site/advertising/IT work/photography etc) and some agencies help the girls a lot taking their free pictures, advising them etc.  Of course not all 'agents' are great, the trick is to avoid those people. And some girls, even though they travel back and forth for close to a decade, only stick to agencies, despite stealing clients, or doing lots of tricks to hide the client stayed longer in order to keep the extra money for themselves or simply running away with all the commission.  If a pimp steals money, then who is here the pimp for money?

 

There are great and bad people on either side.

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I think most of us punters prefer "indies" rather than agencies. Having said that I have had good as well as bad experiences with both. The main problem with agencies is the "tap on the door" 5 minutes before your allotted time (not all of them I would add). In addition with some agencies you feel you are part of a "conveyor belt". Having said that, I have met a few really delightful ladies who worked for agencies. Obviously it depends on how the agency is run. When you get to know an indie as a regular I find that they are quite happy if you run over your allotted time as they rarely have "back to back" appointments. I do find that, in certain cases, indies charge more than agencies (await howls of derision from some of you ladies!!)

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If you do find an agency, who does look after the girls, and gets to "understand" your needs, then its like finding a good tailor, 

That will suit you nicely sir, or I dont think thats quite right for you.

 

So there are both sides of the coin, nothing is wrong with either as long as you are dealing with professional people, too many people see this as fun, and its much more than that !  :)

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