DirtyGit

Seriously, What's Wrong With Black Guys?

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I'm new to this board, so I should say "hi" to one and all.

 

This may be a bit long, but I'd be grateful for any feedback (even if you are stating the obvious)

 

As you can probably tell from the title, I've been blessed with a permanent suntan lol. I've been looking at various profiles on various websites, and I've been very surprised at just how many people flatly refuse to see black guys. Even more surprising is that a lot of these seem to come from black girls. I'm used to my skin colour being an issue in most every day scenarios (e.g. nightclubs, jobs, police etc) and I've just rolled with the punches... but when it comes to paying for a service such as this, well you can't help but feel a little rejected lol.

 

Myself, I am highly educated and in a professional job, I have always treated women with respect, I'm told I'm good looking with a nice body (and an even better ass ;) ) ). Although I'm black-British, I'm by no means a "rude boy" or "gansta" and I choose not to do many of the things that have tainted black guys in the past. Despite all that, I still find in this day and age,  I can be refused entry to a massage or a girl refuse to come out and see me. I'm sure you can imagine the disappointment / frustration having looked at a girls profile you like the look of her, you decide to contact them... only to find they don't see "your sort". I accept people will have their preferred tastes and I have seen other races/ nationalities refused... but there seems to be a lot more for black guys than anyone else. Even Jenna Jameson has publicly said she won't do black guys on camera "because it may damage her career" (yeah, I found that funny as well)

 

It's not my intention to "change the world" or make people feel guilty (it's your body afterall) but I would appreciate some honest answers as to why black guys are black listed (no pun intended). Although anyones (constructive) view point is welcome, I'd be particularly interested in hearing from those WGs' who choose not to see black guys

 

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Odd observation. When I was a callow youth in the 1960's a fair few white women who married black guys described them as "nature's gentlemen". As to why escorts will not see black clients I suppose they will let you know.

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I don't know if this is the reason why some ladies prefer not to see black men but I knew a girl who was robbed by a 'gangsta'. She was really shook up. She disappeared off the scene and re-appeared in a different location (with a receptionist in the foyer). When I found her again she explained what had happened. I think the 'gangsta' element may see working girls as an easy target and know they may have cash in the flat. Also unlikely to go to the cops. Doesn't necessarily have to be black 'gangstas' but I reckon that the vibe in the WG community is not to take the risk.

 

Or perhaps they cannot handle the size. Alternatively it could be a cultural thing....only guessing on that. I don't really know what goes through their pretty little heads but sometimes they must feel very vulnerable.

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People are racist. Simple. :( 

 

Yes, some black men do the 'gansta' and 'rude boy' thing, but then there are plenty of white and Asian men who have that style too and it comes across as rude and intimidating on the phone so I won't see them.  It's a matter of how someone speaks to me when they make a booking, not what colour they are, 

 

The 'I was attacked/robbed by a black man' thing comes up- I hold no truck with that- when escorts are hurt by white men they don't go and ban all of them! 

Saying that, when we get the Ugly Mugs warning reports about assaults a massive % of them are described as black or mixed race so I can see why this might make some women more nervous about black clients. 

 

On the issue of black women seeing black men- not my place to say, being white- but I was told by a mixed race escort several reasons, which I understood and made me see the issue differently.

 

As for size- sorry,  it's a myth- I've had plenty of small and average sized black cocks and plenty of huge white cocks.  You can't tell what someone is packing in their pants by their race...and frankly, if you're an escort you should be able to manage a decent sized cock! 

 

All said, there are plenty of escorts out there who don't discriminate on race, so find them, why would you want to see someone who has no respect for you anyway?!

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Could black girls preferring not to see black punters be explained in some cases by preserving anonymity? Not all girls work in the town they live in, of course, precisely for this reason, but if you are a member of a minority ethnic group in an average-sized town, and if most of your immediate circle of acquaintances is from that group, then I can see why a girl might want to block any member of that group from her clientèle. Just a guess - I might be talking rubbish. It does happen sometimes.

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I will admit I do have that I only see white European guys on my profile. I am not uncomfortable with black guys I have had mixed race/black friends over the years who I haved total respect for. I don't find myself attracted to darker skinned guys but in this job that is beside the point, I find I am not attracted to a lot of white guys. I am here to provide a service irrelevant of my preferences. The reason for my stipulation is because I am still relatively new to the game and I did a lot of research before jumping in and a lot if the warnings were about black/Asian guys. Now already being nervous about the job I didn't want to add more pressure on my self by being worried the guy coming through the door was a higher risk to me. Having said all that, the longer I am working the more my confidance grows and the more I realise it's my own experiences that should dictate who I do and don't see. I have had enquiaries from black and Asian guys and have agreed or considered taking a booking from them simply because they were polite and nice to talk to on the phone, a booking hasn't happened yet, for one reason or another. When and if one does and I am happy that having that restriction is unnecessary I will remove it.

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Just a thought here...............

 

why is it fine to refer to men with a "permanent suntan" (love that one!)  as BLACK

 

yet the ladies have to be EBONY

 

I really don't get it.

 

Does it just sound nicer or look better in print...... is it that simple?

 

I think black or brown skin is beautiful.

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People are racist. Simple. :( 

 

Yes, some black men do the 'gansta' and 'rude boy' thing, but then there are plenty of white and Asian men who have that style too and it comes across as rude and intimidating on the phone so I won't see them.  It's a matter of how someone speaks to me when they make a booking, not what colour they are, 

 

The 'I was attacked/robbed by a black man' thing comes up- I hold no truck with that- when escorts are hurt by white men they don't go and ban all of them! 

Saying that, when we get the Ugly Mugs warning reports about assaults a massive % of them are described as black or mixed race so I can see why this might make some women more nervous about black clients. 

 

On the issue of black women seeing black men- not my place to say, being white- but I was told by a mixed race escort several reasons, which I understood and made me see the issue differently.

 

As for size- sorry,  it's a myth- I've had plenty of small and average sized black cocks and plenty of huge white cocks.  You can't tell what someone is packing in their pants by their race...and frankly, if you're an escort you should be able to manage a decent sized cock! 

 

All said, there are plenty of escorts out there who don't discriminate on race, so find them, why would you want to see someone who has no respect for you anyway?!

Regarding the size, my experience is that it is not a complete myth. You do get variations amongst all races but the biggest two I have ever seen were both ebony/black men. Think arm size.

And I cannot manage large ones even though I have escorted for a long time :D

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Answers on a postcard :)

 

Iz it coz you iz a dirty git? :eek::D

 

On a serious note, as distressing as it may be that there are women out there who will tar everyone with the same brush, there are equally plenty of women who will accept a booking from you on your own merit.

 

I know that there are Indian escorts who wont see Indian men because of fear of bumping into someone they know. Indian communities are very tight. Everyone knows everyone. Having said that, in my 13 years of escorting, I have yet to open my door to someone I know!

 

You can generally tell what a person is like from their initial email and speaking to them on the phone. That is the only way I would know whether to accept a booking from a person, regardless of their colour

 

 

 

 

 

...and frankly, if you're an escort you should be able to manage a decent sized cock! 

 

 

 

 

I think being an escort has absolutely nothing to do with what size you can accommodate.

What you may class as a decent size may be huge/tiny for the next girl.

 

I find some sizes quite uncomfortable, and on occasion, painful... no matter how slow they take it. Should I hang up my saree then?

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Regarding the size, my experience is that it is not a complete myth. You do get variations amongst all races but the biggest two I have ever seen were both ebony/black men. Think arm size.

And I cannot manage large ones even though I have escorted for a long time :D

 

Wow, that is massive.  I always compare most to my wrist..... and I have a pretty small wrist  :)

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I remember there was a thread about the same issue this time last year, maybe DirtyGit would like to check it.  He sounds like a nice, decent guy, so good luck to him.

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So many thoughts on this issue being a black man who has been punting for in excess of 20 years. In my observations now days there is a healthy mix of all different types of black man yet due to stereotypes and reinforcement of them through popular culture the default narrative character is that of the black 'gansta' 'rude boy' individual.

 

I am sure that there are ladies here that have had interactions with men even with an initial phone call where they get a bad feeling and are not keen on a booking, those men could be white. Yet on a few occasions i know through my interactions with people in general i have to breakthrough an sort of initial vetting in order for people to overcome the stereotypes embedded within for them to feel relaxed and thats just in normal day to day life let alone punting. The irony is that having been 'accepted' there isn't a box for me to be pigeon holed in ! Therefore i get all kinds of people telling me how 'different' i am !

 

I would generally encourage all ladies to be discerning about the clients they see. Increasingly there are more black men like myself who are professional and proper nice guys. The funny thing is when i've met ladies in my social life they almost want me to fulfil all of the 'negative' stereotypes, i observe that they get excited by this kind of man but i appear to disappoint by not reinforcing !   

 

Another strand is economics. I got close to a working lady who's clients were predominantly Arab. She expressed to me that she wasn't attracted to Arab men at all and talked disparagingly about many aspects of their behaviour. The major pull was the amount of money she could command from them. Generally most black men are not seen as an economic strength although that is changing do escorts feel that they are devaluing their product by openly accepting black men. Also there are probably many white punters that will feel that bit more special if they see a lady that excludes black men ?

 

Finally as i am rattling here.....can you imagine an escort in an area like Kensington who charges a large premium that stated clearly on her profile that she will not see Arab men ?

 

 

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Always strikes me as odd as to why black men are pretty much blanket refused by a lot of escorts/parlours/indie girls. Yes, there are stereotypes as in any culture or community, but really - it's the 21st century and the cultural lines are blurring more and more, as we as a society are becoming more integrated and cosmpolitan. Obviously there are still some communities which plainly refuse to integrate (which is another topic) and I won't go into that here.

 

A lot of white and asian women I know, find black men hot - just as I find black women gorgeous too. I do not have a preference as to what skin colour a woman has - it's more to do with their individual personality, what build/face features I like. Just as some women have large breasts, bums, lots of others don't - so you can't speculate or stereotype body part sizes either. I think the record at the moment for largest cock is actually some New York white dude, so that throws the whole black is biggest argument straight out the window.

 

Seems this industry is stuck in a post war generation attitude - black it seems is still equated to fear and gangster behaviour.

 

Now, the caveat to this argument is, it's pretty always down to personal preference of the lady - and we simply cannot change that. But it must be frustrating to be turned away before you've had a chance to prove that you're any different from the stereotype people have in their minds.

 

As Jasmine mentioned in her post earlier - how close knit a particular community is, can indeed create problems if they book clients of the same race. Last thing a WG girl needs is to bump into their Uncle or Dad's best friend! LOL We all know Asian and Black communites are tight knit.

 

Odd story here, but I'm white bloke from NW London, a community which is known for it's large black population. I grew up surrounded by black families, Carib food stores, Reggage record shops, roti huts and of course lots of gorgeous black women. My London accent at times can get quite 'clipped' and has been influenced by patois speaking friends - sometimes while i've been talking on the phone to WG's/Parlour maids and even normal people I haven't met yet (some of whom were black themselves) - I've been asked, "Are you black?" - To which i've responded 'Why, does it matter?'. :\

 

People like to pre-judge you on how you sound, how you look/dress etc - but really the test is how you are in real-life and actually how you treat other people.

 

Tough one, and is something, I simply cannot fathom or even begin to understand. The same thing goes for any race/creed which suffers from any form of prejudice. Prejudice isn't necessarily racism, although the two words are confused.

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Answers on a postcard :)

They won't all fit on a postcard ......  because this subject rears its head from time to time and there are always new members who have not contributed to old threads.... hence your question will generate a lot of replies.

 

You have not told us whether you have had any luck with ladies who are happy to see black men.  I assume you have at some point.  

 

In many clubs there are women who go along specifically to pick up black men and these guys are on a roll...... they know their luck will be in if they hang around the bars for a while.  Professional women are different of course...... they are likely to have a wad of cash in the kitchen drawer....... but to assume a black man is more likely to rob her is awful.

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I saw some black guys...bizarrely none of them robbed me ..go figure.

 

One of them did behave oddly though so is on my never again list but then so are some white guys..hey ho

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This topic has been done to death, so many times.

I am a black female who doesn't see black men,I have valid reasons none to do with "I've had bad experiences" that's just rubbish.

There's no point wondering and pondering about why certain women won't see you just move onto women who will. There are many people out there who ruin it for others just take a look at Saafe majority of warnings and wasters posts are about Black or Asian men and I guess as a newbie it can make you scared or on edge.

I don't believe in tarring everyone with the same brush either, I also wouldn't call every girl who blanket bans a race, racist. You just have to go with it and choose someone happy to see you. We all have our restrictions might it be black men, or no men older than 55, or no overweight men. Escorting is a very intimate job so I guess we have every right to choose who we sleep with.

I'm sure you are a nice guy and plenty women will see you, don't waste your time thinking about the ones who won't when there are lovely girls who will! :D

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Surely if a wg has had a seroius bad incident with one race then she is entitled to be one bitten twice shy.

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Surely if a wg has had a seroius bad incident with one race then she is entitled to be one bitten twice shy.

Yes she is, its all down to how comfortable you feel. However, past posters have been correct, if a girl has a serious bad incident with a white british guy and decides to stay in the business then in all honesty will she REALLY not see white british guys for bookings? 

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Sp what proportion of punters are non white. I bet over 90% are white brits. Or more.

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This topic has been done to death, so many times.

I am a black female who doesn't see black men,I have valid reasons none to do with "I've had bad experiences" that's just rubbish.

There's no point wondering and pondering about why certain women won't see you just move onto women who will. There are many people out there who ruin it for others just take a look at Saafe majority of warnings and wasters posts are about Black or Asian men and I guess as a newbie it can make you scared or on edge.

I don't believe in tarring everyone with the same brush either, I also wouldn't call every girl who blanket bans a race, racist. You just have to go with it and choose someone happy to see you. We all have our restrictions might it be black men, or no men older than 55, or no overweight men. Escorting is a very intimate job so I guess we have every right to choose who we sleep with.

I'm sure you are a nice guy and plenty women will see you, don't waste your time thinking about the ones who won't when there are lovely girls who will! :D

do people really put no overweight men?? gosh thats bloody shallow

i do see black men but i do have a note about if you are huge down there i may not be your best match !

 

MinxyLydia, on 26 Feb 2015 - 08:28, said:snapback.png

 

 

...and frankly, if you're an escort you should be able to manage a decent sized cock!

 

what a daft statement i have a very tight hole so i do struggle with "decent sized ones " doesnt make me a shit escort

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do people really put no overweight men?? gosh thats bloody shallow

i do see black men but i do have a note about if you are huge down there i may not be your best match !

MinxyLydia, on 26 Feb 2015 - 08:28, said:snapback.png

...and frankly, if you're an escort you should be able to manage a decent sized cock!

what a daft statement i have a very tight hole so i do struggle with "decent sized ones " doesnt make me a shit escort

Yeah!

I've seen it on quite a few profiles it makes me laugh because some men might no actually see themselves as overweight and then go book this girl anyway haha!

I agree I'm very tight myself and I've had a few guys who have been above average and it's been a struggle and a half to accommodate it!

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They won't all fit on a postcard ......  because this subject rears its head from time to time and there are always new members who have not contributed to old threads.... hence your question will generate a lot of replies.

 

You have not told us whether you have had any luck with ladies who are happy to see black men.  I assume you have at some point.  

 

In many clubs there are women who go along specifically to pick up black men and these guys are on a roll...... they know their luck will be in if they hang around the bars for a while.  Professional women are different of course...... they are likely to have a wad of cash in the kitchen drawer....... but to assume a black man is more likely to rob her is awful.

 

Well, you'd be a bit miffed if it didn't, wouldn't you ?  :D

 

In the past, I knew a very experienced WG who saw anyone and everyone. She had a few bad experiences over her working life (she's now retired, sadly) and these came from a mixture of races, and it did not put her off seeing any particular type of gentleman. She also was of the sort that really liked the "better hung" guys, so I expect I was a bit of a disappointment to her  :( .

 

Just goes to show that we should not generalise about race (or be racist in any form or fashion) IMO.

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Well, you'd be a bit miffed if it didn't, wouldn't you ? :D

In the past, I knew a very experienced WG who saw anyone and everyone. She had a few bad experiences over her working life (she's now retired, sadly) and these came from a mixture of races, and it did not put her off seeing any particular type of gentleman. She also was of the sort that really liked the "better hung" guys, so I expect I was a bit of a disappointment to her :( .

Just goes to show that we should not generalise about race (or be racist in any form or fashion) IMO.

I agree you shouldn't generalise.

But as an escort it's her body and she can choose who she sees and who she doesn't see, and she doesn't have to give an explanation for it either.

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I agree you shouldn't generalise.

But as an escort it's her body and she can choose who she sees and who she doesn't see, and she doesn't have to give an explanation for it either.

 

I could not agree with you more !  :)

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Some of it might well be either self-fulfilling prophecy or simple profile copying.

 

The latter is obvious but to explain the former I mean if someone was looking through say AW while coming up with their profile and seeing a lot of profiles stating they wont' see blacks then sees the Ugly Mugs report that Mynxie mentions they then decide to put this on their profile as well - especially if they have no previous experience with black people. This is then one more profile that shows up the next time someone new comes along etc etc.

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