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Made An Aw Booking Today.

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Girl confirmed it and I rang her up to get the address.

The thing is, I am very choosy about only going to see British girls. Nothing racist or anything, its just that there seems to be 100s of EE girls available in the country now and the vast majority are trafficked all over the place every day. I think we all have a responsibility to make sure there is no demand for trafficked girls and with the law being the way it is now, its just safest to stick purely to British ladies or girls you've met before and are sure aren't trafficked.

So what is the relevance of this to my booking today ? Well as you'll all know it is getting harder and harder on AW to sort the British girls from the EE ones. Used to be able to go by the name they used or the broken English in the description. Price is obviously a good marker too as EE girls tend to be very cheap, but as the market is now flooded with EE girls I notice a lot of locals are noe reducing their prices in order to compete.

Anyway, I like to think I've grown quite adept at spotting a foreigner over the years and generally tend to err on the side of caution, but that didn't stop me getting caught out today.

The girl I booked with actually advertised herself as British, and from her photos certainly looked it. She didn't just casually mention her nationality or falsely put it at the bottom of her profile either, she actually went into a big long speil about being born down south and having a posh accent that turns most men on. I genuinely thought I was onto a winner, until I called up for the address.

The girl speaking to me at the other end was most definitely NOT British, in fact she hardly spoke any English at all. I immediately cancelled the booking, but I am massively pissed off about the whole thing.

If EE traffickers are now getting onto the fact that we punters check these things out and are now starting to claim their girls are English, how can we possibly stop ourselves booking to see them ? What happens when they start paying English girls to answer the phone so you've no chance of knowing you are meeting a potentially trafficked girl before you turn up at the door ?

I am trying to be a responsible punter but the biggest service information provider in the country isn't doing their bit to weed out the traffickers and the fakers. They make enough money out of this industry and if they don't do their bit it is only a matter of time before the stories of poor trafficked girls from eastern Europe is enough to get the whole sex industry in the UK criminalised for all of us.

I'm going to stick to my favourite Manchester parlour from now on because I trust them to not offer me trafficked girls, but its a shame because I prefer the one to one intimacy you get of meeting someone in their home or a rented apartment rather than the cattle market of the parlour.

AW is a great idea, performed very badly, isn't it about time someone else ripped off what they offer but do it in a more responsible manner ?

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I think everything you say is perfectly true and I admire the stance that you are taking. The only thing I would say is that in city as big as Manchester surely it is still easy enough to find women with an established track record who you can verify as being British. The sad thing from the example you give is that it is going to become increasing difficult for British women who are new to this work ti ensure they are not mistaken for EEs.

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Only see ladies where it is established from FRs that they are British.

 

That is the whole point of researching FRs, to not get conned.

 

Having said that, most EE girls are perfectly allowed to work anywhere in the EEC, so trafficking is not a big problem with them. The exceptions are Russian and Ukrainian, and anyone East of those two.

 

Most trafficked ladies are Asian, and your chances of getting the one in the photo are less than getting struck by lightening on the way there. 

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Whilst I agree in part with the sentiment of the OP, I think there are a couple of sweeping generalisations in there.

Not all EE wg's are trafficked of course, and some can speak very good English. There are no doubt some British wg's not working of their own volition, and not all of them can speak very good English! ;)

I've got to know a Polish wg quite well over the last couple of years. She's lived here for a good few years now, can speak 6 languages - English included, has a full time job and escorts part time. She definitely works for herself and isn't trafficked at all and she really enjoys what she does. She's also right up there with some of the best wg's I've seen in attitude and service.

She's written her own profile and ok you can tell English isn't her native language but it's no worse than some rather poor efforts I've seen from some British wg's whose first language is allegedly English.

I don't deny a fair bit of what you say is true, but it certainly isn't the case for all.

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Probably a good idea to speak on the phone earlier in the booking process - just to be on the safe side?

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I agree with Burty, that's a very sweeping statement about EE girls being trafficked.

Seen lots of EE girls and I don't think any of them were obviously trafficked. I've seen Russian girls and one very wonderful Ukrainian girl who really seemed to enjoy what she was doing, no inhibitions what so ever. 

Of course they could have all been drugged up to the eyeballs.

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Xenia who posts regularly on here is clearly not drugged up to her eyeballs despite being born in the Ukraine and brought up in Russia. She has a sensual East European accent but is a fluent English speaker. www.wwwescort.co.uk

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I do think it is a sweeping statement.

There was an article somewhere about trafficking and how the numbers are massaged upwards to present a feminist viewpoint. I firmly believe one trafficked woman is one too many but where are reliable figures? We were told thousands of women were to be brought in for the Olympics. The same was told  of the World Cup as well. Whenever the police do raids to stomp out trafficking they manage to save a few girls, not hundreds or thousands. (Ok I am naïve enough to believe the police do not tip the wink before raids) 

And why do we assume certain racial groups are prone to trafficking? There could be a very healthy trade in vulnerable girls leaving care homes and being whisked off to London. Scotland and  Ireland could be hunting grounds for fresh victims.

Finally why escorts? There are trafficked people working as slaves picking crops. Do we shun food? Trafficked people work as domestics in certain areas. Do we shun wealthy folk ( Yes!!!!)  

It is a personal call, if you think the woman in front of you is trafficked, call the police or help lines. And walk. If you are not sure, walk.  

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Whilst I agree in part with the sentiment of the OP, I think there are a couple of sweeping generalisations in there.

Not all EE wg's are trafficked of course, and some can speak very good English. There are no doubt some British wg's not working of their own volition, and not all of them can speak very good English! ;)

I've got to know a Polish wg quite well over the last couple of years. She's lived here for a good few years now, can speak 6 languages - English included, has a full time job and escorts part time. She definitely works for herself and isn't trafficked at all and she really enjoys what she does. She's also right up there with some of the best wg's I've seen in attitude and service.

She's written her own profile and ok you can tell English isn't her native language but it's no worse than some rather poor efforts I've seen from some British wg's whose first language is allegedly English.

I don't deny a fair bit of what you say is true, but it certainly isn't the case for all.

 

Indeed 'bigM' seems to have his own issues assuming that everyone is trafficked.  I would assume those who are indeed trafficked are featured with the same people where their 'handlers' have been successful in the past, whether is agencies, parlours etc

 

No idea what is happening in the rest of the country but it drove me mad when at the weekend, as I was in a taxi late at night going home after a wonderful meal at a local restaurant, I saw two girls in a well known road in central London who stopped when reached a certain location and then whilst smoking, started looking around with such confidence as if they were doing this every night.  There are 2 Police stations some nearby, yet they had the audacity to do such things in central London.  My annoyance is purely because early this week I was walking though the same area and a group of men kept talking in a very rude manner in broken English about all the striking women passing near them.  I do not deserve to be spoken like this by a bunch of idiots who probably were managing the girls described above and they probably 'run the area' after dark.  If this happens in the afternoon, no chance I will be able to walk, as in the past, un-disturbed late at night on my way home.

 

It simply makes me sick.

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I do think it is a sweeping statement.

There was an article somewhere about trafficking and how the numbers are massaged upwards to present a feminist viewpoint. I firmly believe one trafficked woman is one too many but where are reliable figures? We were told thousands of women were to be brought in for the Olympics. The same was told  of the World Cup as well. Whenever the police do raids to stomp out trafficking they manage to save a few girls, not hundreds or thousands. (Ok I am naïve enough to believe the police do not tip the wink before raids) 

And why do we assume certain racial groups are prone to trafficking? There could be a very healthy trade in vulnerable girls leaving care homes and being whisked off to London. Scotland and  Ireland could be hunting grounds for fresh victims.

Finally why escorts? There are trafficked people working as slaves picking crops. Do we shun food? Trafficked people work as domestics in certain areas. Do we shun wealthy folk ( Yes!!!!)  

It is a personal call, if you think the woman in front of you is trafficked, call the police or help lines. And walk. If you are not sure, walk.  

They usually use the number '40,000', not sure where it comes from.

 

http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/migration-pulse/2011/40000-victims-sex-trafficking-2006-world-cup-and-2012-olympics

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AW is a great idea, performed very badly, isn't it about time someone else ripped off what they offer but do it in a more responsible manner ?

AW isn't perfect, but has been a valuable gem for me.  Plenty of practice with the search criteria, using decent feedback and field reports as a 'guide' and you should get good results.  The things I like about the AW search criteria is that it allows you to specify and search for girls that are 'verified' and specify 'English' as their primary language and 'viewable ratings' to help make the selection easier and safer.

 

Obviously there is still some risk, but you can lessen that risk using decent search practices. 

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AW isn't perfect, but has been a valuable gem for me.  Plenty of practice with the search criteria, using decent feedback and field reports as a 'guide' and you should get good results.  The things I like about the AW search criteria is that it allows you to specify and search for girls that are 'verified' and specify 'English' as their primary language and 'viewable ratings' to help make the selection easier and safer.

 

Obviously there is still some risk, but you can lessen that risk using decent search practices. 

 

There is another thread on a Forum about girls who are verified yet lots of people complain about them as they do so many tricks.  Being verified it only means you accept AW's strange rules, nothing more.....

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There is another thread on a Forum about girls who are verified yet lots of people complain about them as they do so many tricks.  Being verified it only means you accept AW's strange rules, nothing more.....

That's why I said there is obviously still some RISK involved!

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AW isn't perfect, but has been a valuable gem for me.  Plenty of practice with the search criteria, using decent feedback and field reports as a 'guide' and you should get good results.  The things I like about the AW search criteria is that it allows you to specify and search for girls that are 'verified' and specify 'English' as their primary language and 'viewable ratings' to help make the selection easier and safer.

 

Obviously there is still some risk, but you can lessen that risk using decent search practices. 

I am not verified for the simple reason that verification pictures chosen to be kept private are not security protected enough to keep the private. Its something aw really need to address

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I am not verified for the simple reason that verification pictures chosen to be kept private are not security protected enough to keep the private. Its something aw really need to address

I have met girls on AW that were 'not' verified, but they had good feedback.  All those meets were successful.  I never follow 'rules' just 'guides' only.  I do like the verified idea though and from what I've seen recently, it is becoming more common on AW to be verified.

 

I can understand your obvious concern about your verification pictures not being secure enough in the system.  I never knew about the security and safety risks when uploading pictures for verification. 

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I have met girls on AW that were 'not' verified, but they had good feedback.  All those meets were successful.  I never follow 'rules' just 'guides' only.  I do like the verified idea though and from what I've seen recently, it is becoming more common on AW to be verified.

 

I can understand your obvious concern about your verification pictures not being secure enough in the system.  I never knew about the security and safety risks when uploading pictures for verification. 

 

Why were you uploading pictures for verification?

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There are some very nice British ladies and other nationals on AW but you have to do your research.  Study the reviews.  If you have seen a lady you like and trust her have a look at the other guys that's use her and see who else they use.  One bad encounter doesn't make it bad.  Its the type of industry you are always going to get the bad side of the industry you just try your best to avoid.   There is no doubt that we have all had bad ones but the good ones make up for it. 

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Why were you uploading pictures for verification?

I wasn't and never said I was!  I was referring to Chloe's security concerns and the general verification process the girls go through.  I wasn't aware that there would be a big enough risk when they upload photos.

 

There is an age verification system on AW and I think (not sure) that is for clients and escorts to use.  I think it is optional.

 

It actually also looks like clients can upload their photos too in the profile section.

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From what I've heard from WG friends that the verification system on AW sucks the large one - and the admins are notoriously slow too.

 

I too find AW a bit of minefield at times, and not always knowing the girl you're booking is a risk all us punters take. However, we all have just as much choice to walk away if you smell a rat at any stage of the game, up to the point of handing over the dosh - we're in control most of the way. Our gambling brain (penis) takes over once we're standing in front of a sexy lady with a semi and no idea of how the punt will go. lol

 

I've been tricked before; a very nicely spoken telephonist pretends to be the girl promising a great time including the extras, then when you turn and up the lady couldn't speak a word of English and does no extras. A rubbish punt usually ensues with a non-english speaker, but I have been surprised in the past. It's impossible to know when a WG's been trafficked as it's perfectly legal for most EE to work here.

 

As others have pointed out here and on other posts, nothing beats due diligence (which in itself can be fun) and of course word of mouth via forums/FRs too is helpful.

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I have met girls on AW that were 'not' verified, but they had good feedback.  All those meets were successful.  I never follow 'rules' just 'guides' only.  I do like the verified idea though and from what I've seen recently, it is becoming more common on AW to be verified.

 

I can understand your obvious concern about your verification pictures not being secure enough in the system.  I never knew about the security and safety risks when uploading pictures for verification. 

Yes its happened many a time to girls. I have a face pic in my private gallery which i know can also be downloaded but there is a massive difference between a random picture of my face getting out online and a picture of my face with great big adult work sign under my chin getting out online..if you get my drift x

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I wasn't and never said I was!  I was referring to Chloe's security concerns and the general verification process the girls go through.  I wasn't aware that there would be a big enough risk when they upload photos.

 

There is an age verification system on AW and I think (not sure) that is for clients and escorts to use.  I think it is optional.

 

It actually also looks like clients can upload their photos too in the profile section.

I dont think the age verification is optional for us and its not optional for guys who wish to use the system to see private galleries and pictures. We all had to move any pornographic style pix to our private galleries recently upon aw orders as they have changed their rules. I guess when you look at the front page and you see pictures totally pixellated out its aw's way of dealing with those who ignored the new rule.

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I wasn't and never said I was!  I was referring to Chloe's security concerns and the general verification process the girls go through.  I wasn't aware that there would be a big enough risk when they upload photos.

 

There is an age verification system on AW and I think (not sure) that is for clients and escorts to use.  I think it is optional.

 

It actually also looks like clients can upload their photos too in the profile section.

Yes they have been able to do this for quite a while and the same smart rules on lifting photos from that site it would seem can be applied to those, just as much as they can to SP photos. This was taken advantage of by a provider who after some sort of spat (can't remember what it was now), decided to post a photo from a service seeker's photo onto a public forum. She thought what is good for the goose, and so on.

 

Basic rule, if you put your photo on the internet it could end up anywhere. Same for letting people take photos with their own digital camera.

 

Lifting photos is not a new phenomena, and not limited to AW galleries.

 

I received a text last week advising me my verification photo was on public access. Yes I was well aware of this, I had chosen that setting myself. This 'local' type person thought I should know and that it was worth texting me to tell me this, he's not a client and said he wasn't looking to be. Anyway I was feeling 'that way out' so I did then subsequently go and hide it.

 

There'll always be ways around verification and risks for both sides. Generally clients walk away mostly anonymous, service providers tend to run a much higher risk of identification and their choice of prostitution to affect the remainder of their lives, present and future.

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Ah that was it the 'spat' was the guy made an enquiry, was identified as holding particular views on a particular forum the lady didn't like, so she took the liberty of lifting and posting the photo from his AW profile onto a public forum. Not something I would condone and I posted until it was removed.

 

Some clients do have photos on their AW seeking profiles, some photos are genuine, some are not and are also lifted from other places. Yes there are fakers, and people not to trust on both sides.

 

So be careful out there whoever you are.

 

When accepting bookings from new clients I don't take much notice of photos, I wait until I meet the person.

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Back to the original post. I wonder wether the risk is very overstated.

 

I imagine that many girls from any particular part of europe will be in a sort of closed community of their compatriats and so give an impression of being trafficked.  It's completely normal for national groups to stick together in another country. They may well have male friends from their own country but that doesn't nessecarily mean they are being controlled against their will.

 

I'm aware that there are risks but you can't tar everyone with same brush.

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