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“Independent” Orientals –A Good Thing For Us?

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Not wishing to send another thread further off on a tangent, but this subject came up elsewhere and I thought it best to start a new discussion. It was in the context of London-based Oriental (mainly Thai) escorts.

 

A few of the relatively recent arrivals have abandoned the mainstream London agencies and are now working through the purple site. It has been implied on the other thread (by someone who I suspect has a vested interest) that this is a good move, but without any explanation as to why this should be so - either for the girls or the punters. It also makes them “indie”, but I really don’t accept that!

 

Since, as far as I’m aware, no Oriental girls or agencies contribute to or even peruse this site, I’m asking the question purely from a punter’s point of view.

 

I’ve made three attempts at booking girls through “Adult Service Providers” listing websites. One was fulfilled (forty minutes late) with a psychopathic (but stunning!)  EE nutter and was an unmitigated disaster. The other two were with Orientals, and both went belly-up during the booking process.

 

I stick with my trusted agencies because I know the girl advertised will be the girl I see - even if she is sometimes (but not always) heavily photo-shopped. She’ll answer the door the instant I buzz, and if there’s a last minute visit from the painters then they will sort out a plan B for me. If the girl blatantly wastes time/has discarded fag butts in the bedroom or on the bathroom floor/picks her phone up during the intimacies/is not clean and showered, then I have someone to complain to – and the good agencies will have words with the girl and, in extreme cases, cease to represent her.

 

I’ve seen very little feedback on this forum for these “indies”, and most of their feedback at their new “home” is dubious to put it mildly.

 

Thoughts?

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I totally agree with your sentiments and concerns PDM; while your suspicions are 100% on the money. There is no such thing as an asian indie from my experience - behind each one there is a pimp, sponsor, agency boss, boyfriend or vested interest of some kind. They may flinch at the nomenclature but they know what they are. Just look at the financials - without agency overheads their hourly rate should drop to below £100 but they all charge £150 so some other greedy fucker is clearly pocketing the difference. Don't even get me started on the communication and other service delivery standards - stick with the reputable agencies which are dwindling or we will all be reduced to dodgy indies or B&S scammers.

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I'm mostly in agreement here, although I haven't had anything but good experiences with EE's from AW. With thai girls on there, no, they aren't 'independent' - mostly - Suzi Li being one of the exceptions.If they were their prices would not be exactly the same as agency prices; i.e.. 150 an hour - there would be some variation. Well, to be fair, there sometimes is, but only when their services are basic - I could do them on my own at home! I wonder if some of the thai girls even know they're on AW!!

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I tend to generally agree with the above. There are a lot of girls on the purple site where the profile is clearly not written by them and sounds like an aggressive PSE sales pitch. Seems like someone is "managing" them. I wouldn’t be surprised if the girls don’t even know how they are presented there. But looking at the recent trends there must be a reason/benefit why more girls appear on that site.

 

However, there are also some exceptions. I know of a Thai girl who went on the site as a true independent ditching the agencies but dropped it after a while again as quality of clients and show up rates were not satisfactory (I guess that can be better coordinated by an agency). She continued as a true independent. There are some others that also dual track as indies and I think that they do pocket the difference (and of course there is the third option for good regulars who book right at the source).

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Since, as far as I’m aware, no Oriental girls or agencies contribute to or even peruse this site, I’m asking the question purely from a punter’s point of view.

Ha ha, don't you believe it, so far I've seen this site open on at least 3 computers when i've gone to visit them. Patsy was the funniest, she denied completely even knowing about punternet and she had it open on her computer in the corner of the room. So yes they definitely do read this site, and it's a pretty good bet they talk to each other about it too.

 

They are a lot more savvy than they let on, and if they're not they know someone who is and will help them. Remember the ones who are over here, especially the ones you see through agencys rather than in flats, are in general the streetwise ones with a bit of get up an go, and they will not easily be taken advantage of, without getting what they want in return.

 

The only thing I would say, is that like many on here, I will always have an issue with "controlled" girls, and I feel using the reputable agencies this is less likely to happen, whereas with flats, AW and indies I can't be certain. As a result I will be staying using the reputable agencies, and not the other methods, and i've reached this conclusion, as have others, from my conversations with various girls. That said, with the debacle in the second half of last year, even this method is not fool proof, from what i've heard since.

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I totally agree with your sentiments and concerns PDM; while your suspicions are 100% on the money. There is no such thing as an asian indie from my experience - behind each one there is a pimp, sponsor, agency boss, boyfriend or vested interest of some kind. They may flinch at the nomenclature but they know what they are. Just look at the financials - without agency overheads their hourly rate should drop to below £100 but they all charge £150 so some other greedy fucker is clearly pocketing the difference. Don't even get me started on the communication and other service delivery standards - stick with the reputable agencies which are dwindling or we will all be reduced to dodgy indies or B&S scammers.

There is a concern that most profiles are dodgy. Saying their rates should be dropped is valid only to a point. An indie pays her own marketing plus takes on a wide variety of more roles off the actual booking time, so yes they do deserve a higher cut then the 100.

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I just give the benefit of the doubt unless given reason to think otherwise.

Agency and AW in of themselves are just means of advertising and getting work. Neither are bad by default. In theory all girls are freely working by choice, doing the hours they choose, offering the services they want to offer. In reality the theory doesnt apply to every girls reality whether they are agency or AW.

Agency; At most the girls keep 75% of a booking. At the very least,if other parties are involved, who knows what they keep.

AW at most a girl keeps 100% of a booking, at the very least, if other parties are involved, who knows what she keeps.

As for prices, don't forget many Thai girls are still living in central London, they also cut down on clients, don't want to attract the wrong type of clients.

Agencies don't usually design their own websites, many girls on AW don't usually write their profiles or design their websites. So I don't get the condemnation or suspicion when a profile is not written by the girl.

It is a business and whether independent or agency it requires marketing and promotion, a girl hiring out work that is done under her authority is the ultimate sign of control. Having the work done without her control or say so suggests other wise, so if an agency or AW writer tells a girl you're doing this and that service, you have to work these hours etc then the girl is being controlled. If the girl is saying to a web designer I do this, that, and that, and I work these hours etc then I really don't get why that's deemed as "being controlled" when it should be admired as a business savy girl being in control of herself.

As for boyfriends, I would assume the same would apply regardless of whether they are agency or not, and having a bf doesn't meant he is taking a cut but also some might. My point is I don't see why this point is only mentioned when its regarding non agency girls, unless if agencies prevent the girls from having social lives?

Feedback on profile site. Some are very suspicious but its not hard to know what to look out for and figure out what's real.

Just have to add. Lexx said "its a step forward" after you questioned him for giving the benefit of the doubt to AW girls being indie. You then open up a new thread about the topic and talk about suspecting him of having "vested interests". Dude that would kinda suggest you're doing the agencies bidding on here, lol just joking. But seriously, we all have vested interests! We want to learn and share, we want to know who to book and who to avoid.

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Ha ha, don't you believe it, so far I've seen this site open on at least 3 computers when i've gone to visit them. Patsy was the funniest, she denied completely even knowing about punternet and she had it open on her computer in the corner of the room. So yes they definitely do read this site, and it's a pretty good bet they talk to each other about it too.

 

They are a lot more savvy than they let on, and if they're not they know someone who is and will help them. 

You are dead right about this. The savvier girls not only know about PN reviews and forum, they search for mentions of themselves, and if they can't fully follow the English they get a friendly punter or in some cases a bf to translate the gist. I have been asked, in post-punt chat, to do such translations for more than one girl.

 

Some agencies provide links to reviews here, and keep up with what is said on the forum too.

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There is a concern that most profiles are dodgy. Saying their rates should be dropped is valid only to a point. An indie pays her own marketing plus takes on a wide variety of more roles off the actual booking time, so yes they do deserve a higher cut then the 100.

I think most of the Thai Girls in Central London on AW have passed the various tests of authenticity and have phone numbers that lead to the girl. I noticed one profile that stands out for having what looks like fake reviews, but at the same time she also has a few legit ones. The PSE style profiles that read like a hardcore porn script, have also passed the various tests.

IMO,critism is based on nothing but fear of AW reputation of B&S, let's just see how it plays out. But it is curious that the guy who swears he is done with AW girls is the one always bringing them up and starting new threads about them.

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You are dead right about this. The savvier girls not only know about PN reviews and forum, they search for mentions of themselves, and if they can't fully follow the English they get a friendly punter or in some cases a bf to translate the gist. I have been asked, in post-punt chat, to do such translations for more than one girl.

 

Some agencies provide links to reviews here, and keep up with what is said on the forum too.

 You're right - Aisha of Invasian obviously does and Bob of Asian Selection does, or at least did when his agency was under attack.  I don't know about the current crop at 007 but Mei obviously was clued in on the forum.

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Ive kind of lost track of where the thread was aimed but we must remember that AW is nothing more than a marketing platform. Girls will advertise their services where they see fit, be it on a catalogue site, their own or through an agency/parlour.

The majority of profiles on AW have fake/enhanced photos and generic write ups, nothing new here, were any of the girls really like the phone booth cards!!!

Unless you know the girl, its always going to be a risk if she truly is independent or if there's a pimp taking a cut or even is she's the one in the advert.

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I think most of the Thai Girls in Central London on AW have passed the various tests of authenticity and have phone numbers that lead to the girl. I noticed one profile that stands out for having what looks like fake reviews, but at the same time she also has a few legit ones. The PSE style profiles that read like a hardcore porn script, have also passed the various tests.

IMO,critism is based on nothing but fear of AW reputation of B&S, let's just see how it plays out. But it is curious that the guy who swears he is done with AW girls is the one always bringing them up and starting new threads about them.

Not you two again please !

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Quite a lot of the above is true - Maria (SAEL) asked me to place a review of one of her girls on here, after I'd been to see her. And Valentina, when she was around, was on AW. Her profile listed 'being filmed' - unheard of for a thai girl. I asked her about it and she said she would but only when I'd visited her a few times and she could trust me. I only went once!!

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Not you two again please !

 

Moi?

 

Nah, I'm not rising to the bait this time as I've already directed more than enough abrasive comments at Lexx and Chris this week! And besides, he referred to me as "dude" :)

 

But, bearing in mind the thread title and extracting from my original post:-

 

I stick with my trusted agencies because I know the girl advertised will be the girl I see - even if she is sometimes (but not always) heavily photo-shopped. She’ll answer the door the instant I buzz, and if there’s a last minute visit from the painters then they will sort out a plan B for me. If the girl blatantly wastes time/has discarded fag butts in the bedroom or on the bathroom floor/picks her phone up during the intimacies/is not clean and showered, then I have someone to complain to – and the good agencies will have words with the girl and, in extreme cases, cease to represent her.

 

I’ve seen very little feedback on this forum for these “indies.....”

 

I guess the independence bit is a tangential issue, my main one is reliability of the whole booking/feedback process on AW. I'd really like to spend some time with cuteamythai but I just don't have the confidence in the system at the moment.

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 I'd really like to spend some time with cuteamythai but I just don't have the confidence in the system at the moment.

 

Cuteamythai is the same as Nicky on the agencies' sites. IMO, confidence in the system is the least you have to worry about ;-)  ..but a great body she has though.

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Then why not book Nicky at 007. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I believe it's the same girl.., but CT was non too impressed.

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PDM; When looking at a girls feedback there are things that you can do to help yourself. 1) look at the person who gave her feedback, Has he given feedback to other girls, who, and over how long has he been giving feedback ? That usually is the best test, although the opposite does not mean the feedback is fake etc. 2) Look at similar written style etc amongst feedback. 3) Look at times of feedback, it would be a huge coincidence if several feedbacks were left within the space of an hour.

4) Above all else, with Thai Girl's anyways they've all been mentioned on here previously.

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Then why not book Nicky at 007. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I believe it's the same girl.., but CT was non too impressed.

You wouldn't be trying to pull a prank on our Payday with that recommendation, would you?

 

Very naughty (of course I mean you, and certainly not the Dead Fish Lady).

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You wouldn't be trying to pull a prank on our Payday with that recommendation, would you?

 

Very naughty (of course I mean you, and certainly not the Dead Fish Lady).

 

Well - Nicky isn't going to happen through 007 as they've made it quite brutally clear by direct email that they don't welcome my custom, despite 43 bookings through them.

 

Also Chris (and twiceasnice), if I had to single out one thing that I've learnt in the last eighteen months or so it is that "YMMV". I can be a very shallow person in punting mode and, as long as the girl is physically attractive to me, then she's well over the first hurdle.

 

I've just searched and read your comments and review on Nicky from last August but it hasn't put me off. Your opinion is taken more to heart than mine on this forum and many have thus avoided her, but I'm a little more speculative.

 

Nicky is now on my "maybe" list, so when I've exhausted the prospects on Invasian I might seek her out.

 

(Don't anyone tell Aisha - she'll trample on my balls!)

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Well - Nicky isn't going to happen through 007 as they've made it quite brutally clear by direct email that they don't welcome my custom, despite 43 bookings through them.

Also Chris (and twiceasnice), if I had to single out one thing that I've learnt in the last eighteen months or so it is that "YMMV". I can be a very shallow person in punting mode and, as long as the girl is physically attractive to me, then she's well over the first hurdle.

I've just searched and read your comments and review on Nicky from last August but it hasn't put me off. Your opinion is taken more to heart than mine on this forum and many have thus avoided her, but I'm a little more speculative.

Nicky is now on my "maybe" list, so when I've exhausted the prospects on Invasian I might seek her out.

(Don't anyone tell Aisha - she'll trample on my balls!)

I think she is also bookable on another agency, can't remember which. I was also tempted, but as well as CT others from here have also not been impressed with her. Some of her AW feedback look legit, but a lot won't pass under the punters Microscope test. She is stunning, probably pleases the vast majority of punters who are happy to get the cim/a level etc from a beautiful girl and never regularly punted Thai girls, but we Thai fanciers have a different benchmark to the rest.

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(Don't anyone tell Aisha - she'll trample on my balls!)

Surprised that you know Aisha so well and were not aware that she and other agencies are aware of this site and some follow and post etc.

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I think she is also bookable on another agency, can't remember which. I was also tempted

Asian Selection. Don't miss her second review on there (it's not by me).

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Asian Selection. Don't miss her second review on there (it's not by me).

Huge discredit and unappreciation of dead fish, which let's not forget are part of a great diet full of omega 3 and high in protein.

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I think she is also bookable on another agency, can't remember which. I was also tempted, but as well as CT others from here have also not been impressed with her. Some of her AW feedback look legit, but a lot won't pass under the punters Microscope test. She is stunning, probably pleases the vast majority of punters who are happy to get the cim/a level etc from a beautiful girl and never regularly punted Thai girls, but we Thai fanciers have a different benchmark to the rest.

 

Apart from me, apparently!

 

I'm not going to cancel my reservation for this week end but, when you state "....the vast majority of punters who are happy to get the cim/a level etc from a beautiful girl..." then you've pretty much summed up why I punt!

 

She's sounding better and better compared with some of the others that I've seen recently - the last two I didn't even bother to leave feedback for.

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Cim and anal with a dead fish, there is a nice thought, sounds like a strange mix, indifference to the customer but all services on offer.

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