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Ok I always like to think that independent girls are truly independent and that they control their own destiny to an extent but I have had 2 rather different experiences recently. 

 

1 One of my Favourite girls accepted a booking via text and then  an hour before said she was running late.  Eventually she said she could not get to the booking and would I like her mate.  I looked her mate  up quikly on the usual site as my usual said she partnered with her on her profile.  When I got there the girl there did not realise I  was originally expecting her freind and TBH she seemed very detached/miserable and cold.  Could the person on the end of the text been controlling the 2 girls.  My usual seems so genuine and lovely and content although the flat is a bit dingy ( the block that is)

 

2 Another of my favourites. Really nice but seems remarkable value considering and the flats she has been in are very luxurious.  However she keeps moving around london from far west to far east.  Last time I saw her she told me she was moving to liverpool street and that would be better but the rent was £1000 a week.  Thing is how the conversation went hinted that her landlord knew what she was doing and I was wondering if the landlord was moving her around london to make use of his/her unlet smart flats in a buy to let portfolio!!  Is she controlled or is it a very mutually beneficial arrangement???

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Naive? Not sure.

They could be pimped and they could not, you'll never know and to be honest thinking all these thoughts and making up scenarios is a little silly.

Girl number 2 could easily have saved up all her escort money and could be looking for somewhere suitable to live.

Girl number one maybe just offered you her friend assuming her friend would be fine with it.

In no way do these two scenarios mean they are controlled. Many girls are solely independent including myself and I've had clients outright ask me if I have a pimp or if I am managed and it's quite offensive. It's best you don't think about that part unless they are in danger then the police should be involved.

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We would all like to believe that the independents we see are just that and the money we hand over is for them and them alone but the truth is we will never really know for sure. I know that people who we would have once thought of as pimps have taken a step away and now their business is the apartments the women rent, they either own or sub let the properties. This makes them safer from a legal point of view because they have no direct control over the women. I've also met women who having decided to come to this Country and do this have responded to ads that offer an all in one package, the flat and the advertising all taken care of. The real question is are they being forced to do it, well I hope I would spot the signs but again you could never be 100% sure.

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I do what I can to ensure a wg is at least in charge of her own profile, and the person I speak to is the person I see. Beyond that I have no idea what her arrangements are as regards accommodation or anything else. I'm as sure as I can be that all of the wg's I've seen are independebt and in sole control of what they're doing. I know that for a fact with at least a couple but it's impossible to know 100% with every wg I see.

In your case it's hard to say without knowing the wg's concerned. Personally if I had doubts I probably wouldn't see the wg again.

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Naive? Not sure.

They could be pimped and they could not, you'll never know and to be honest thinking all these thoughts and making up scenarios is a little silly.

Girl number 2 could easily have saved up all her escort money and could be looking for somewhere suitable to live.

Girl number one maybe just offered you her friend assuming her friend would be fine with it.

In no way do these two scenarios mean they are controlled. Many girls are solely independent including myself and I've had clients outright ask me if I have a pimp or if I am managed and it's quite offensive. It's best you don't think about that part unless they are in danger then the police should be involved.

 

I don't think you should be offended by the question TYE because it is an issue that does worry many of us, it's unlikely though that even if a woman is being pimped she's going to give you an honest answer. I think I speak for many other punters when I say that if I discovered I'd been with a woman who'd been coerced that would probably stop me punting.

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Very difficult to judge without more detail, but you are right to pick up on these kinds of detail and at least question the circumstances to yourself.

 

The second case does ring some alarm bells for me. It all depends on the property of course but £1000/week is expensive for that area. I'd expect a pretty good quality 2-bed in Liverpool St/Shoreditch to be going for between £450 and £650 per week. I'd be suspicious that the 'landlord' is inflating the rent because he/she knows what the property is being used for.

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I don't think you should be offended by the question TYE because it is an issue that does worry many of us, it's unlikely though that even if a woman is being pimped she's going to give you an honest answer. I think I speak for many other punters when I say that if I discovered I'd been with a woman who'd been coerced that would probably stop me punting.

I think I should be offended. It's quite offensive when punters automatically assume we are all "forced into this horrible industry" that's what one said to me once, so I think being offended is justified.

There are many women forced into doing this and many women who aren't, you'll never know and all you can do is research your punts properly and just by reading a profile or speaking to a girl on the phone can give you a little idea of how happy she may be to see you or do this job.

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I think I should be offended. It's quite offensive when punters automatically assume we are all "forced into this horrible industry" that's what one said to me once, so I think being offended is justified.

There are many women forced into doing this and many women who aren't, you'll never know and all you can do is research your punts properly and just by reading a profile or speaking to a girl on the phone can give you a little idea of how happy she may be to see you or do this job.

 

Yes I can understand you don't like the patronising type and your right a bit of resaerch can give you a better idea but would you rather we were not concerned at all about these issues, I would never ask the question outright but I do ask questions in an attempt to get a feel for the person and why their doing it.

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I think I should be offended. It's quite offensive when punters automatically assume we are all "forced into this horrible industry" that's what one said to me once, so I think being offended is justified.

There are many women forced into doing this and many women who aren't, you'll never know and all you can do is research your punts properly and just by reading a profile or speaking to a girl on the phone can give you a little idea of how happy she may be to see you or do this job.

I suppose it depends on the manner in which it's asked. Bearing in mind it's illegal to punt with a wg who is coerced, so it is possible a punter just wishes to at least attempt to make it clear. It might not necessarily mean someone thinks all girls are forced as you mention.

I know this may be somewhat idealistic but for my part the main reason I don't like punting through agencies is because I prefer the wg to have made a choice to see me based upon my prior communication with her.

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Very difficult to judge without more detail, but you are right to pick up on these kinds of detail and at least question the circumstances to yourself.

 

The second case does ring some alarm bells for me. It all depends on the property of course but £1000/week is expensive for that area. I'd expect a pretty good quality 2-bed in Liverpool St/Shoreditch to be going for between £450 and £650 per week. I'd be suspicious that the 'landlord' is inflating the rent because he/she knows what the property is being used for.

 

Going back to my first post this could well be a case of a former pimp now concerning themselves with just the apartments, there is not going to be a formal agreement and the rents can be changed on a weekly basis, one woman told me that her landlord once upped her rent and said it was because she'd had two good reviews on a certain site within a few days so she must be doing well, that's one of the reasons that some wgs don't always welcome even positive reviews.

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I suppose it depends on the manner in which it's asked. Bearing in mind it's illegal to punt with a wg who is coerced, so it is possible a punter just wishes to at least attempt to make it clear. It might not necessarily mean someone thinks all girls are forced as you mention.

I know this may be somewhat idealistic but for my part the main reason I don't like punting through agencies is because I prefer the wg to have made a choice to see me based upon my prior communication with her.

I can understand your point with agencies. It's just a case of going with your gut and if she doesn't seem to enjoy what she does you know not to waste your hard earned on her.

The punter I mentioned actually asked me AFTER our booking which I found annoyingly funny! I can understand many punters are concerned but you just have to punt hoping you don't book a coerced WG. X

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I can understand your point with agencies. It's just a case of going with your gut and if she doesn't seem to enjoy what she does you know not to waste your hard earned on her.

The punter I mentioned actually asked me AFTER our booking which I found annoyingly funny! I can understand many punters are concerned but you just have to punt hoping you don't book a coerced WG. X

That sort of takes a dump on my earlier theory then!! :D

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Thing is, there are probably less coerced women out there than the media would have us think. The problem occurs when some women choose to have a manager (lets say) because she doesn't want to deal with advertising, accommodation, transport etc by herself for a variety of reasons. There are good managers who do just that and bad ones who will take advantage.

 

 There are also totally independent escorts who don't really want to be doing it or aren't professional/capable enough to smile on a bad day or at a client she feels less enthused about so it's really hard to tell and undoubtedly those who are controlled by can plaster on a smile and do a good service. 

 

This of course makes it difficult for clients to be able to tell, and in my view it's great that some men do genuinely care. I don't get annoyed if I am asked because it comes from a good place and will keep my amusement to myself- anyone who has met me for more than 10 minutes would be able to tell noone would be capable of pimping me! 

 

I suspect the only way you can be surer of not meeting someone controlled in any way is to avoid parlours, agencies and maybe choose women who have a web presence (website, twitter, on forums) who write consistently in their own voice and have some kind of personality and quirks and who write about a variety of issues. 

 

Third parties will only ever show their women off as nubile horny things who are always hot and up for it. 

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Ok I always like to think that independent girls are truly independent and that they control their own destiny to an extent but I have had 2 rather different experiences recently. 

 

1 One of my Favourite girls accepted a booking via text and then  an hour before said she was running late.  Eventually she said she could not get to the booking and would I like her mate.  I looked her mate  up quikly on the usual site as my usual said she partnered with her on her profile.  When I got there the girl there did not realise I  was originally expecting her freind and TBH she seemed very detached/miserable and cold.  Could the person on the end of the text been controlling the 2 girls.  My usual seems so genuine and lovely and content although the flat is a bit dingy ( the block that is)

 

2 Another of my favourites. Really nice but seems remarkable value considering and the flats she has been in are very luxurious.  However she keeps moving around london from far west to far east.  Last time I saw her she told me she was moving to liverpool street and that would be better but the rent was £1000 a week.  Thing is how the conversation went hinted that her landlord knew what she was doing and I was wondering if the landlord was moving her around london to make use of his/her unlet smart flats in a buy to let portfolio!!  Is she controlled or is it a very mutually beneficial arrangement???

 

actually sometimes it is very hard to say who is genuinely independent. unless you persoanlly know a girl I mean very closely then may be you can spot she is genuine independent.

 

your first case looks both girls are managed and organized by pimp, maid.

 

second girl looks like she is independent. besides it does not mean that an independent girl will work from only place. she can move around different places for discretion purposes I think and if she is a busy girl than she will she will be busy if she moves to a new place with regular and new clients. by the way the second girl you mentioned is she a Polish girl? <_<^_^

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A punter would have little idea if a sex worker was being forced/pimped or doing it against her will or doing it freely etc.. I have persoanlly known sex workers who I would have bet thousands of pounds on them not being pimped and I would have lost those bets. I found a lot of this out when they had gotten away from the pimp and were sex working freely. Yes.. Not sure for me even then after the admission!

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It's difficult to say without knowing more about the women: a 19-year old Romanian you would expect to operate slightly differently to a 39-year old Brit, for example.

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Yes they are both Polish and both speak good english!    I agree about the second one being more independent but I certainly think that the Landlords of these places are NOT naive when 2 pretty Polish girls ask to rent a flat in perhaps unusual circumstances or that someone (middle man/broker) offers way above asking rent for a flat and basically says "dont ask questions"  I certainly understand that a manager or buddy is an excellent idea for a working lady and that blurs the lines yet more!

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Maddison, I learned long time ago, if you are a logic person and not one but several connected things make you suspicious, then you are on the right track.  I noticed girls who come and go periodically, or even tour around the UK when they come here and they all have a 'manager' or a boyfriend who makes the bed while the girl gets ready to meet the next client, etc.  

 

Bearing in mind they only speak English but know nothing about the English culture, you try to compare this with say, a 20 years old English girl who just got into this business and one month later decides to tour on her own, after having never travelled more than 50 miles around her village.  Very few are that 'bright', the majority would wait some time before taking this step.

 

There are though more shocking things I noticed and yet these people seem to get away with it...............

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Some ladies do have some incredible ways of doing business...saw the lovely Spanish Jessica last month whilst she was near Heathrow...... Telephone conversation perfect English, Texts perfect English, asked to phone when I got to a certain Location, this went on and on when eventually a lady escorted me into the buliding and advised me that it was actually her corresponding with me (she was a lovely University Student)...i was lucky in the sense that Jessica was worth all the trouble but many would have given up half-way with all the faffing about!!!

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Ha ha, clever 'maid'  :D

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