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Jimmy Carter's Moral Crusade

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He always was an expert on nuts : he's merely switched from growing them to influencing them.

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Dear God, not him again! Did America ever sink so low in international esteem as during his presidency?

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Does he explain how "all forms of commercial sexual exploitation are a profound violation of fundamental human rights." if the relationship is between consenting adults?

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Dear God, not him again! Did America ever sink so low in international esteem as during his presidency?

Probably the worst US president in modern times. 

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And he is still banging the Nordic model drum in yesterday's Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/to-curb-prostitution-punish-those-who-buy-sex-rather-than-those-who-sell-it/2016/05/31/e0376adc-236d-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

A couple of quotes from his article:

....when one party has power over another to demand sexual access, mutuality is extinguished, and the act becomes an expression of domination. As author and prostitution survivor Rachel Moran explained in her book, “Paid For,” once money has exchanged hands, a woman must deliver whatever service the customer demands.

This is simply not true when we are talking about mutually agreed consensual transactions. I believe it is much more likely and more often true where sex work is driven underground by the introduction of legislation advocated by Mr Carter.

Sex trade survivors......compare their movement to the abolition of slavery, an institution that once also seemed like a permanent fixture in society.

Someone should point out to Mr Carter that we abolished slavery by making slavery illegal, not by making cotton picking illegal.

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Carnival said:

And he is still banging the Nordic model drum in yesterday's Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/to-curb-prostitution-punish-those-who-buy-sex-rather-than-those-who-sell-it/2016/05/31/e0376adc-236d-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

A couple of quotes from his article:

....when one party has power over another to demand sexual access, mutuality is extinguished, and the act becomes an expression of domination. As author and prostitution survivor Rachel Moran explained in her book, “Paid For,” once money has exchanged hands, a woman must deliver whatever service the customer demands.

This is simply not true when we are talking about mutually agreed consensual transactions. I believe it is much more likely and more often true where sex work is driven underground by the introduction of legislation advocated by Mr Carter.

Sex trade survivors......compare their movement to the abolition of slavery, an institution that once also seemed like a permanent fixture in society.

Someone should point out to Mr Carter that we abolished slavery by making slavery illegal, not by making cotton picking illegal.

 

 

 

It should also be pointed out to him that slavery still exists in the world.  Like prostitution it probably always will, it's only the scale that changes.

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24 minutes ago, robert49 said:

It should also be pointed out to him that slavery still exists in the world.  Like prostitution it probably always will, it's only the scale that changes.

I hope nevertheless that we have a consensus within this forum that slavery is a bad thing and it would be good if it were completely eliminated. So in that respect it is definitely NOT like prostitution.

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2 hours ago, Carnival said:

I hope nevertheless that we have a consensus within this forum that slavery is a bad thing and it would be good if it were completely eliminated. So in that respect it is definitely NOT like prostitution.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with that sentiment.  I was just stating a sad fact. 

N.B.  I'm not saying prostitution is a sad fact.  Phew!

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On 01/06/2016 at 0:49 PM, Carnival said:

And he is still banging the Nordic model drum in yesterday's Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/to-curb-prostitution-punish-those-who-buy-sex-rather-than-those-who-sell-it/2016/05/31/e0376adc-236d-11e6-aa84-42391ba52c91_story.html

A couple of quotes from his article:

....when one party has power over another to demand sexual access, mutuality is extinguished, and the act becomes an expression of domination. As author and prostitution survivor Rachel Moran explained in her book, “Paid For,” once money has exchanged hands, a woman must deliver whatever service the customer demands.

This is simply not true when we are talking about mutually agreed consensual transactions. I believe it is much more likely and more often true where sex work is driven underground by the introduction of legislation advocated by Mr Carter.

Sex trade survivors......compare their movement to the abolition of slavery, an institution that once also seemed like a permanent fixture in society.

Someone should point out to Mr Carter that we abolished slavery by making slavery illegal, not by making cotton picking illegal.

 

 

 

Black feminist writer Robyn Maynard has an interesting take on how the abolitionist lobby have appropriated the concept of "slavery"  and in so doing have created a multimillion dollar industry whose anti-prostitution campaigns pushing for the criminalization of the sex industry, have "decontextualized" slavery from Black struggle and deceitfully repurposed it to describe the multiplicity of workplaces where sexual services are exchanged consensually and for remuneration.

To cite Lewis Carroll:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”

LEWIS CARROLL (Charles L. Dodgson), Through the Looking-Glass. First published in 1872.

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On 11/12/2016 at 7:17 PM, Carnival said:

Black feminist writer Robyn Maynard has an interesting take on how the abolitionist lobby have appropriated the concept of "slavery"  and in so doing have created a multimillion dollar industry whose anti-prostitution campaigns pushing for the criminalization of the sex industry, have "decontextualized" slavery from Black struggle and deceitfully repurposed it to describe the multiplicity of workplaces where sexual services are exchanged consensually and for remuneration.

To cite Lewis Carroll:

“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”

“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”

“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”

LEWIS CARROLL (Charles L. Dodgson), Through the Looking-Glass. First published in 1872.

Exactly the same thing seems to be happening with the word "genocide", which is increasingly used to brand atrocities of any kind, or anything the speaker happens not to like. So slavery is "genocide", the American treatment of the Apaches, the Sioux and all the others was "genocide". No good purpose is served by using the same word for different things. Slavery is slavery, genocide is genocide, and a 450-year intermittent war for control of the territory is just that - a war.

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