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Real Punters Wanted For Tv Doc

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Hi my name is Kevin; I'm a junior developer at a Television company called Zig Zag http://www.zigzag.uk.com/.

 

I can already feel half of you rolling your eyes at this so I'm just going to cut straight to the point. We want to make a one off documentary for Channel 4 (yes, I know they have a bit of a reputation when it comes to representing sex workers but please hear me out).

 

The show is called “Yes, I Pay for Sex” and as you can guess it’s about people who pay for sex. Now, before everyone jumps down my throat, this show is focused on more than just the average “punter”. We want to look at ALL the types of people who pay for sex, men, women, transgendered, young, old, rich, poor, disabled, gay, straight, bi, single, married, couples and widowed.

 

We want to dispute the stereotype people have of punters and instead give the actual people who pay for sex a platform to genuinely share their reasons & experiences for using sex workers. We’re not interested in judging or condemning the practise, there’s already 100 shows that do that. This is about trying to understand.

 

Before you ask; I'm afraid we can’t pay anyone for their time, this is a documentary, paying contributors compromises the validity of the programme. But we can cover expenses. And of course, if you don’t want to reveal your identity then you can appear on the show anonymously.

 

Now, I know that the television industry has the reputation of being untrustworthy. Speaking to the people who have been involved in similar productions, I get that a lot of people felt misrepresented. But I can tell you that our intentions are only to know why people pay for sex, straight from the horse’s mouth.

We gain nothing from sugar coating or censoring what any of you have to say.  In fact, the more honest you guys are the better it is for our ratings and publicity, because that’s what television is all about. I can’t promise you that everything you say will make it on air but we won’t misrepresent you or take what you said out of context.

 

Believe it or not, we’re not interested in reinforcing stereotypes because the truth is, no one is going to watch a TV show that just tells them what they already suspect, people want to watch a show that surprises them.

We’ve already been in contact with a few contributors who are interested in taking part in the show. For example, Unit 8 massage parlour in Sheffield is helping us contact their disabled clients. We’re also talking to Dr Sarah Kingston who’s conducting a nationwide study on women who pay for sex.

 

So if after the barrage of disparaging rejection I’ll get on this message board, there are still some of you who are genuinely interested or have any questions, then please contact me either by email at kevin.muyolo@zigzag.uk.com or call Zig Zag on 020 7017 8755 and ask for Kevin.

 

Cheers

 

Kevin

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I cant help but sounds like a good project

 

good luck.

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So who is lined up to appear in the show to counter the positive contributions that Punternet members can make? 

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Well I just looked at the Zig Zag website, went to Programmes to see what they've done before. To try and establish a level if you like.

 

For me, 2 words come to mind........ barge and pole :(

 

'Nuff said  

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No punter in their right mind would offer their stories for free. Expenses paid; does that mean free punts while undergoing interviews?

 

Better idea! Why don't you go undercover, Kevtv, become a punter for 6 months and do a story about that instead? That seems far more interesting and fun for you too.

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No punter in their right mind would offer their stories for free. Expenses paid; does that mean free punts while undergoing interviews?

 

Better idea! Why don't you go undercover, Kevtv, become a punter for 6 months and do a story about that instead? That seems far more interesting and fun for you too.

I think you are right there - what would the motivation be?

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I suspect there will be limited response to your kind offer, as

A. you want our contributions for free

B. we're generally a secretive bunch who don't want our family / spouses / friends / work colleagues to know about our little hobby

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I think you are right there - what would the motivation be?

30 seconds of fame? lol some people would do anything, I suppose, in this X factor world we live in. Maybe it'd be good for the ol C.V? lmfao.

 

See what people don't understand is that these TV production companies potentially earn thousands off selling these reality tv stories to big network channels and that doesn't include residuals to other licensing territories abroad. Its just fodder or money for old rope. Newspapers pay people loads for stories of high interest.

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There is absolutely no way on earth I would ever share my opinions, experiences and reasons for being a punter with you.

 

We want to dispute the stereotype people have of punters and instead give the actual people who pay for sex a platform to genuinely share their reasons & experiences for using sex workers

 

 

It is really not difficult to work out is it?

 

Whatever the background of the punter, they want no-strings-attached companionship and/or sex.

 

You really don't have to be a sodding rocket scientist to figure that one out.

 

Why? Because either they're in a relationship that isn't working for them, or they're a sexually frustrated single person who can't develop a relationship in normal circumstances, or maybe they're a person who is highly sexually charged and want to have lots of easy sexual encounters and are willing to pay for it.

 

Again, I cannot understand why you can't answer your own questions- are you really genuinely baffled as to why some people want to pay for sex or is that just the opening gambit to get people to talk about it? Are there people out there truly baffled by the concept of why someone would pay for sex? If they're that confused about it, I'm sure some dumbed down or sensationalised TV documentary isn't going to enlighten them.

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If the general public's POV about punters is that they are social misfits, losers and individuals that you wouldn't trust to leave your kids with then there is substance to a TV show about the people who pay for sex and why they do it. I wish the programme makers all the best but I won't be taking part regardless of what's not or is on offer.

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I'll tell you where I am............I'm out.

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No punter in their right mind would offer their stories for free. Expenses paid; does that mean free punts while undergoing interviews?

 

Better idea! Why don't you go undercover, Kevtv, become a punter for 6 months and do a story about that instead? That seems far more interesting and fun for you too.

The trouble is,if you look at stuff thats been done before about punting that was paid it generally tends to be a bunch of fantasists who are just after a quick quid to pay for their next session in wetherspoons.

At the OP.Was the company named after the fag papers or vice versa?

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If the general public's POV about punters is that they are social misfits, losers and individuals that you wouldn't trust to leave your kids with then there is substance to a TV show about the people who pay for sex and why they do it. I wish the programme makers all the best but I won't be taking part regardless of what's not or is on offer.

 

The problem is- with those people who are the moralists, conservatives, feminists and religious lot- any kind of programme on this topic is not going to change their mind. Their views are fairly entrenched.

 

The point of this programme, as the OP admitted, is to generate big TV ratings- therefore it will be exaggerated, hyped, sensationalised, dramatised etc and frankly I think the people who take part are going to be more exploited than your average sex worker. You can see it now- each 'side' of a punter will be: the unhappily married man who seeks relief with his favourite sex worker; the City lad who boasts of his exploits hiring girls from the top London agencies; the disabled bloke that the general public will be supposed to be sorry for and 'sympathise' and 'empathise' with because his disability means he has to pay for sex; the high-powered career woman who doesn't have time for proper relationships and so hires - shock, horror- male escorts. It's not just seedy blokes hiring escorts folks! Women do it too!

 

Despite saying they want to dismiss the stereotypes, they will doubtless select the stories that give them the best 'angle' as I've given examples above.

 

You can see their approach- the OP says he expected replies like mine- I think the type of programme it will be is entirely predictable too. Sensationalised, exploitative and condescending.

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I'd do it as a silhouette with my words spoken by an actor. And a paid for reminder punt. And free lunch. Plus repeat fees. And maybe a t shirt

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No punter in their right mind would offer their stories for free. Expenses paid; does that mean free punts while undergoing interviews?

 

Better idea! Why don't you go undercover, Kevtv, become a punter for 6 months and do a story about that instead? That seems far more interesting and fun for you too.

 

Best idea yet  -   26 x weekly punts at say £150  = £4k ish  .....  cheap at half the price for a documentary I'd have thought. 

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Interesting that the vast majority of posts pouring scorn on this are from relatively new posters. It has been said before (although the newer posters weren't around) that if we are to get more acceptance to the concept of paying for sex between consenting adults we need to get more media coverage and discussion of it of it. Think about how the climate changed regarding gay marriage over the past ten years.

 

Having said that, once again I shall not be taking part although I was contacted last time by a charming young lady (Charlie - remember her?) from Channel 4 who had not considered that many of us widowers pay for sex because we miss the cuddles, caresses and chat (and sex!)

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Ask McCoy .....

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I think we're being a bit harsh. Kevin seems to have given his real name, the working title of the programme, and the name of his employer. This is a lot more than the recent anonymous reporter for a local 'Scottish newspaper' was prepared to admit in his quest to get some decent interview material.

A couple of questions spring to mind though:

Who's the client? e.g. C4, HBO etc

Are there a couple of corollary programmes in pre-production? These would be called 'No way would I pay for sex' featuring people who aren't getting any at all because they aren't getting it for free and they're too up their own arses to open their wallets. And also 'Everyone pays for it, one way or the other' featuring people who paid for it the other way with presents, wedding rings and houses.

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Interesting that the vast majority of posts pouring scorn on this are from relatively new posters. It has been said before (although the newer posters weren't around) that if we are to get more acceptance to the concept of paying for sex between consenting adults we need to get more media coverage and discussion of it of it.

 

I totally disagree with you, and it's nothing to do with me being a 'newbie' poster- I have been on this forum for years but only post when I feel it's worthwhile. I just think you're completely wrong. I don't think that media coverage is helpful to the culture of paying for sex at all. I think you're being far too idealistic, there will always be people who are fundamentally opposed to the concept.

 

I think it's different to acceptance of homosexuality/civil marriage because that's also a question of individual identity. When you're gay, you can't help who you are. People can accept that two men or two women can fall in love with one another. But whatever your sexuality, if you're paying someone that's a lifestyle choice that moral critics would argue you don't have to make. Paying for sex is just a lifestyle behaviour which many people are morally opposed to, it's not about identity and things 'you can't help'. You also have to consider the nature of 'media coverage'- which is usually for sensationalist, titillation and shock value when it comes to considering and discussing the topic.

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I don't know how old you are Fantasy Lover but I assume that you are old enough to remember that homosexual acts between consenting adults earned people gaol sentences. You say that "people can accept that two men or two women can fall in lover with one another". You have missed out one important word and that is NOW! Equally NOW people accept that when you are gay you can't help who you are. I can remember when virtually nobody accepted that other than gays. I am definitely not being idealistic, I think that at the age of 82 I am way beyond being an idealist!

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This would be an excellent programme.

 

On the radio.

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I think the problem is the progam will be looking for a freakshow, as the average punter is just a regular guy. The perception of us is socially inept, dirty old man in a raincoat but we know that's not true. It's not good TV to show average joe blogs doing well enough in life that he has the disposable income for punting, enjoys it and goes on about his life.

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Not a punter but seems the guys have two choices after the most recent ch 4 documentary

A...don't do the show and be disparaged and ridiculed by a small portion of society who actually bother to cast a few seconds thought in their general direction occasionally

B...do the show and be disparaged and ridiculed by members of this community all over the Internet, risk some dodgy girl posting somewhere "I know that voice and torso, he's *insert username* on *insert forum name* and be forever shamed for a slip of the tongue or dodgy editing within his most loved online community

I don't really think the latter is a better possible choice personally after seeing the horrible slating the parlour and escorts got on here and other forums for the brothel documentary a few weeks ago

Remember it's the flipping media who caused most of the bad stereotypes in the first place

Guys if you take part, wear a balaclava the WHOLE time plesse

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I think the problem is the progam will be looking for a freakshow, as the average punter is just a regular guy. The perception of us is socially inept, dirty old man in a raincoat but we know that's not true. It's not good TV to show average joe blogs doing well enough in life that he has the disposable income for punting, enjoys it and goes on about his life.

Exactly. How any of the actual ordinary guys will be shown in the light they should be. "I just feel horny occasionly" isn't exactly interesting for others to hear is it
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Posted over on the "other site" would be interesting to see what some of them say when not behind a keyboard and no longer anonymous.

George may be a very dodgy geezer but as another escort pointed out to me, he apparently has also done a lot on the speaking up publicly for escorts and punters rights so hopefully he will speak well on behalf of the punters,

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