AnnabellasMK

Richard Branson - Pros And Cons Of Legalised Prostitution.

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Ironic, the name of his company !

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It's good to see high profile people saying this.  It's not self interest that make me think so as I will probably be little affected whatever happens, but their are many who will be.

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To be honest I thought he was jumping on the bandwagon and a bit late at that! 

 

OK, it's no bad thing that public figures are on the decrim side, but his opinion is pretty worthless. It's relevant people (such as MPs) that need to be influenced and RB, whatever you may think of him lacks credentials to be an authoritive figure on this matter. 

 

Although, if brothels were ever legalised I bet he'd be the first to open shiny new ironically named brothels...

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Although, if brothels were ever legalised I bet he'd be the first to open shiny new ironically named brothels...

I suspect it'll be the Greek guy with easybrothel.com, easysex.com or similar. Wonder what he would call his chain of brothels? Would punters with man bags be tasered?

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To be honest I thought he was jumping on the bandwagon and a bit late at that! 

 

OK, it's no bad thing that public figures are on the decrim side, but his opinion is pretty worthless. It's relevant people (such as MPs) that need to be influenced and RB, whatever you may think of him lacks credentials to be an authoritive figure on this matter. 

 

Although, if brothels were ever legalised I bet he'd be the first to open shiny new ironically named brothels...

But he does probably have an affect on the public's attitude and MP's do take note of that.

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I am not sure if this is the route to go down.  Things work fine in the UK as they are?

 

The authorities just need more resourses to tackle the bad side of the business and also more support centres need to be set up for Street Girls to get them support for addictions also.  Everyone is facing cutbacks and is underfunded.  There are so many things that need looking into.   Agencies that are not really Agenices.  Girls that are not really Independent Escorts etc... etc...  Clear the market of bad people first and help the innoncents caught up in this before you even think about any legislation.

 

Would you want a brothel open down your Road for instance and advertising their business in an obvious way.  At the moment where these do exist and are all above board as such they try to keep a low profile and many have active relationships with the local  police.  For the real Independent Escorts out there that status quo is perfectly ok isn't  it?  Would you want every tom dick and harry getting into the business without a clue of what they are doing.  This is bad enough in London as it is !

 

If Richard has some spare time he should research more about our Industry and spend some time with the people in it :)

 

Chloe x

 

 

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My personal opinion although obviously very biased is as follows;

 

1. Make it legal for 1 or 2 girls to work legally on their own or together in a dwelling. Subject to taxation, health checks and compliant neighbours. If the neighbours object and have the evidence to have a ASBO served then so be it. Not everyone wants a prostitute living next door to them but they would have to prove her activity constitutes a ASBO (men knocking on a doors does not)

 

2. 2 or more girls is a 'brothel' (for arguments sake in my new law). Every brothel need a license and must meet certain criteria as any licensed premises as to; location hours of business, available parking, health & safety etc etc. The licences are issues by the local authority and each town / city can issued a restricted number of licences based on their population. London say 20, Birmingham 15 and so on. 

 

This makes the policing more simple and anything not falling into either category is illegal. The police can the target the traffickers and undesirable elements of the industry. Every girl would have to register herself as a self employed escort so the government would gets it's shilling and the local GUM clinics would keep a register of all the escorts in their area to 'police' the health side of things. 

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People forget that if legislation was changed and brothels were legalised as legitimate business's then health and safety would soon creep in. How long before certain things that are a given in our industry were put under the microscope and be deemed against health and safety regulations, oral without for example may end up having to be listed on a life insurance policy etc. Would insurance be required by law to cover any accident that happen on the premises etc, not saying that would happen but it makes sense that it would eventually should things be turned fully legal then brothels would have to likely abide by all the same legislation that current business's do. Tweaked a bit  no doubt but...

 

People wish for certain things which is understandable but that doesnt mean that if they get them they will be how they wanted them to be.

 

Decriminalised maybe, legalised though...could be a whole pot of worms. Plus, considering that a lot of pimped girls are with their pimps willingly despite the massive exploitation they experience there is no reason for the actual real pimps not to set up legally also. I do differentiate between real pimps and people who just run a brothel as a business (for obvous reasons ^_^ ), for some reason a lot dont, bit narrow minded

 

Anyway, decriminalised, legalised... for the girls who truly are being trafficked against their will and forced into the sex industry then I doubt much will get better at all unfortunatley, they are the hidden few, the men happy to visit girls being pimped unwillingly really dont care, the girls probably are controlled 24hrs a day and not let out of mr pimps sight, nothing would change much I fear. It would benefit those in the industry willingly,some willing and like it some willing but loathe it, willing all the same

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For girls working alone in their flat, they are already breaking no laws anyway so long as they are paying tax  so nothing would really change for them either other than perhaps they would have their lives infringed upon by  having to sign their name onto a register that would no doubt be hacked or printed out one day and left on a train by some twat civil servent and made public and thus possibly ruin lives. As for willing neighbours...what goes on in someone elses bedroom is really none of the neigbours business so long as the escort keeps things respectful

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People forget that if legislation was changed and brothels were legalised as legitimate business's then health and safety would soon creep in. How long before certain things that are a given in our industry were put under the microscope and be deemed against health and safety regulations, oral without for example may end up having to be listed on a life insurance policy etc. Would insurance be required by law to cover any accident that happen on the premises etc, not saying that would happen but it makes sense that it would eventually should things be turned fully legal then brothels would have to likely abide by all the same legislation that current business's do. Tweaked a bit  no doubt but...

 

People wish for certain things which is understandable but that doesnt mean that if they get them they will be how they wanted them to be.

 

Decriminalised maybe, legalised though...could be a whole pot of worms. Plus, considering that a lot of pimped girls are with their pimps willingly despite the massive exploitation they experience there is no reason for the actual real pimps not to set up legally also. I do differentiate between real pimps and people who just run a brothel as a business (for obvous reasons ^_^ ), for some reason a lot dont, bit narrow minded

 

Anyway, decriminalised, legalised... for the girls who truly are being trafficked against their will and forced into the sex industry then I doubt much will get better at all unfortunatley, they are the hidden few, the men happy to visit girls being pimped unwillingly really dont care, the girls probably are controlled 24hrs a day and not let out of mr pimps sight, nothing would change much I fear. It would benefit those in the industry willingly,some willing and like it some willing but loathe it, willing all the same

 

I have to agree.  Also more resources and funding its whats needed to help vulnerable people and we should continue to educate clients on this matter by talking more openly about this.

 

Chloe x

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I have to agree.  Also more resources and funding its whats needed to help vulnerable people and we should continue to educate clients on this matter by talking more openly about this.

 

Chloe x

 

The funding would come from the tax everyone would pay, in an ideal simplified world. I would estimate 80% of the working population within this industry do not pay tax at present. 

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The funding would come from the tax everyone would pay, in an ideal simplified world. I would estimate 80% of the working population within this industry do not pay tax at present. 

The people who dont pay tax starting to pay tax doesnt mean that a penny more would be put into funding for the welfare of the vulnerable in this industry though. In all likelihood all that would happen would be that the surge in tax would mean the EU demand an even huger cut of our finances...unless of course we vote out in the referendum

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The people who dont pay tax starting to pay tax doesnt mean that a penny more would be put into funding for the welfare of the vulnerable in this industry though. In all likelihood all that would happen would be that the surge in tax would mean the EU demand an even huger cut of our finances...unless of course we vote out in the referendum

That's right.  It's always been the case that taxation receipts go into a central fund.  How it's spent is completely independent of it's source.

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I get tired of reading the different spin, non of it seems to matter much, it's all just opinion,  either way until something looks

like it might be done about it then whats the point?  Enjoy what we have because when it's gone it's gone.

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I get tired of reading the different spin, non of it seems to matter much, it's all just opinion,  either way until something looks

like it might be done about it then whats the point?  Enjoy what we have because when it's gone it's gone.

This is what I worry about, pushing for one thing may mean we get changes but not the changes that we like or want. The changes we may end up with could change the scene in this country permenantly and not necessarily for the good of either side

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For girls working alone in their flat, they are already breaking no laws anyway so long as they are paying tax  so nothing would really change for them either other than perhaps they would have their lives infringed upon by  having to sign their name onto a register that would no doubt be hacked or printed out one day and left on a train by some twat civil servent and made public and thus possibly ruin lives. As for willing neighbours...what goes on in someone elses bedroom is really none of the neigbours business so long as the escort keeps things respectful

 

I maybe wrong and I am in a very hypocritical position but if a sole indie is renting her premises then she is breaking the present law as is technically her landlord but I will stand corrected on that. 

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I maybe wrong and I am in a very hypocritical position but if a sole indie is renting her premises then she is breaking the present law as is technically her landlord but I will stand corrected on that.

It is currently not illegal to let a property to one woman working alone. It is illegal to knowingly let a property being used as a brothel.

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It is currently not illegal to let a property to one woman working alone. It is illegal to knowingly let a property being used as a brothel.

 

2 caveats to that

 

1. a girl may be outside the terms of her tenancy agreement working from the flat.  So the landlord could probably chuck her out without notice if he found out.  or extort money from her.

 

2. if the woman does not have a legal immigration status the landlord could get in trouble.  how many working girls want to have their landlord have a photocopy of their passport?

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The first is a civil issue, second most landlords ask prospective tenants for ID as part of the application process. Yes I believe it is illegal to let to illegal immigrants,whatever their occupation.

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If we just assume that the people involved are legal the police seem to have zero grounds to go into an indies home rented or owned if she is working from those premises unless some sort of misconduct has been reported such as anti social behavior or abuse of someone visiting, also underage guys visiting.

 

Regarding the second point. People are allowed to have as many visitors a day to their home as they wish. If a landlord wanted to sit outside and count visitors then that number means nothing legally, they would have to gain entry to the property and catch them actually at it with the money in hand to actually prove that the woman was working from the property.

 

Its not against the law to fuck as many men or women a day as you want too so the onus would be on the landlord proving that money is changing hands for the sexual favours.

 

Its irrelevent tbh, if a landlord has suspicions I guess they can just serve notice with the legal time requirement when the tenency is set to be renewed anyway.

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If we just assume that the people involved are legal the police seem to have zero grounds to go into an indies home rented or owned if she is working from those premises unless some sort of misconduct has been reported such as anti social behavior or abuse of someone visiting, also underage guys visiting.

 

Regarding the second point. People are allowed to have as many visitors a day to their home as they wish. If a landlord wanted to sit outside and count visitors then that number means nothing legally, they would have to gain entry to the property and catch them actually at it with the money in hand to actually prove that the woman was working from the property.

 

Its not against the law to fuck as many men or women a day as you want too so the onus would be on the landlord proving that money is changing hands for the sexual favours.

an entry on aw or a webby may be a giveaway. 

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an entry on aw or a webby may be a giveaway. 

yes another reason  not to show your face.

 

However, even an entry on aw doesnt mean that a girl is working from one particular address, we all live somewhere, doenst mean we work there too.

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I also think regulation is something we need to be cautious about. Obviously I want decrim so women can work together safely, but I don't think enforced regulation is the way to go ahead, maybe for brothels run by pimps, but certainly not for independent escorts or co operatives of escorts who share the rent on a place. 

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