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What are the chances of getting into trouble with the law if you haven't been caught in a brothel raid but exchanged texts with a WG who shared a house?

 

I've tried to search past threads about this but they've mostly been about punters caught in the act during brothel raids.

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Not properly informed but I think the chances are nil.

 

Punting with an adult, non-trafficked, compliant escort isn't illegal and the police will not be interested in you even if there is something they want to pursue the escort about.

 

I was once in a flat when police arrived. It turned out they were looking for someone with a dodgy car and when i admitted i was punting they said they were not interested in me.

 

I didn't argue the toss.

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Not properly informed but I think the chances are nil.

 

Punting with an adult, non-trafficked, compliant escort isn't illegal and the police will not be interested in you even if there is something they want to pursue the escort about.

 

I was once in a flat when police arrived. It turned out they were looking for someone with a dodgy car and when i admitted i was punting they said they were not interested in me.

 

I didn't argue the toss.

2 girls sharing house = brothel.  but the punter is not comitting an offence.

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2 girls sharing house = brothel.  but the punter is not comitting an offence.

Girls does not either. 

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Not properly informed but I think the chances are nil.

 

Punting with an adult, non-trafficked, compliant escort isn't illegal and the police will not be interested in you even if there is something they want to pursue the escort about.

 

I was once in a flat when police arrived. It turned out they were looking for someone with a dodgy car and when i admitted i was punting they said they were not interested in me.

 

I didn't argue the toss.

 

Yeah, I just wonder if the law will bother tracking a punter down if they've exchanged texts with a girl and it turns out something fishy was going on, even if it's extremely unlikely that it was and even if the WG has moved to another area currently.

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Girls does not either. 

women who work in a brothel are not commiting an offence. just the person/people running it

unless a prostitute is also brothel manager.

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But none of these points (except mine!) addresses the OP's concerns.

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I agree with Viv, I think the chances are very very low. I don't think the law enforcement in the UK is nearly so concerned about tracking down every bloke a non-compliant WG has ever been in touch with. That sounds like something they wouldn't be bothered with. Being caught then and there is a slightly different thing, I think. 

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But none of these points (except mine!) addresses the OP's concerns.

Depends what OP means "by getting into trouble".

 

If it was proved, that WG was coerced or forced, then there is a slight possibility he might get contacted by the police. But then it will only occur if girls was proved to be a victim of the offence. She is not obliged to give them digital proof on her phone for the investigation either.  Even if its happened: the worse outcome: he will be called for some brief questioning.. That will be the end of it. AFAIK nobody been charged yet since it was amended.

 

Maybe OP should read SOA  part 53A. (when it was changed in 2007).  http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/53A

 

Also read Legalities and Legislation part of the forum.

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Depends what OP means "by getting into trouble".

 

If it was proved, that WG was coerced or forced, then there is a slight possibility he might get contacted by the police. But then it will only occur if girls was proved to be a victim of the offence. She is not obliged to give them digital proof on her phone for the investigation either.  Even if its happened: the worse outcome: he will be called for some brief questioning.. That will be the end of it. AFAIK nobody been charged yet since it was amended.

 

Maybe OP should read SOA  part 53A. (when it was changed in 2007).  http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/53A

 

Also read Legalities and Legislation part of the forum.

Cheers, thanks for the info.

 

I mean, for what it's worth, what I always wonder about is how can the police really prove a guy has paid for sex if they don't catch him with his pants around his ankles? 

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Well it's irrelevant where your trousers are if the escort is not underage or trafficked.

 

If she is one or both of these, the fact you were in the premises would make them interested.

 

A phone message I would say would not interest them because there is no physical interaction.

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Well it's irrelevant where your trousers are if the escort is not underage or trafficked.

 

If she is one or both of these, the fact you were in the premises would make them interested.

 

A phone message I would say would not interest them because there is no physical interaction.

Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I understand that paying for sex in and of itself is legal.

 

The reason I ask about the text messages is because, as you say, they don't really prove anything, but no punter would want to be pulled into any investigation on the basis of the texts and I was wondering about the risk, however small it is.

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Cheers, thanks for the info.

 

I mean, for what it's worth, what I always wonder about is how can the police really prove a guy has paid for sex if they don't catch him with his pants around his ankles? 

 

They no need to. If you read above link: intent or promise to pay is enough: 

 

Paying for sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force etc.

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)A makes or promises payment for the sexual services of a prostitute (B),

(B)a third person © has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual services for which A has made or promised payment, and

©C engaged in that conduct for or in the expectation of gain for C or another person (apart from A or B).

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They no need to. If you read above link: intent or promise to pay is enough: 

 

Paying for sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force etc.

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)A makes or promises payment for the sexual services of a prostitute ( :cool:,

( :cool:a third person © has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual services for which A has made or promised payment, and

 

©C engaged in that conduct for or in the expectation of gain for C or another person (apart from A or :cool:.

BTW: I did not put those icons, was generated by comination of letters and punctuation from the copy and paste from the above link

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For a very bewildering moment or two I mis-read the OP as "worldpunter"!

 

Carry on....

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They no need to. If you read above link: intent or promise to pay is enough: 

 

Paying for sexual services of a prostitute subjected to force etc.

(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a)A makes or promises payment for the sexual services of a prostitute ( :cool:,

( :cool:a third person © has engaged in exploitative conduct of a kind likely to induce or encourage B to provide the sexual services for which A has made or promised payment, and

 

©C engaged in that conduct for or in the expectation of gain for C or another person (apart from A or :cool:.

 

Yeah, that makes sense. If a guy texts '£60 for half an hour full service' or something like that then it's pretty incriminating. If he mentions nothing in the texts about money or what he is seeking (he could want a massage for all anyone knows), then surely it becomes hard to prove intent to pay for sex.

 

I assume this is all only an issue if there is something wrong with a WG, though.

 

 

 

BTW: I did not put those icons, was generated by comination of letters and punctuation from the copy and paste from the above link

That's a relief, lol. They did seem at least slightly out of place.

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Yeah, that makes sense. If a guy texts '£60 for half an hour full service' or something like that then it's pretty incriminating. If he mentions nothing in the texts about money or what he is seeking (he could want a massage for all anyone knows), then surely it becomes hard to prove intent to pay for sex.

 

I assume this is all only an issue if there is something wrong with a WG, though.

 

 

 

That's a relief, lol. They did seem at least slightly out of place.

Yes it's only if the woman if force or coerced by someone else in some way.

 

I don't think the authorities are daft enough to believe that you'd be wanting a massage only, and if you really wanted to go down that line you are then in 'what constitutes a sexual service' territory.

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