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any fussy escorts? (so you know they're not acting)

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I know a girl that did escorting, that would fake interest, she justified it by saying that's what strippers do.. She did it in quite an extreme way, even telling men that she had feelings for them, telling men that hug here after sex, that this is total comfort, that they fit perfectly together. In her mind, she justified saying she had feelings for them by meaning that she cared about them, just didn't find them sexually attractive.  I've had the experience of her service..and maybe i'm a bit thick but eventually I cottoned onto the fact that she was lying or misleading, and acting.  When the charge is £150 for one hour, they're going to be willing to jump into bed with people they normally wouldn't want.   

Other girls can appear very bored and not into it - which on the one hand I prefer to an actress. But bored or unaroused women aren't too great either - I prefer it to an actress, 'cos I value truth and if that's how they are then fine, but I prefer it if they are legitimately aroused.    

I'm interested in if there are girls that are actually fussy about who they jump into bed with, and that charge.  Then at least they wouldn't be acting.    I once had a girl whose jaw dropped when I took my shirt off.  (I have some stomach muscle though nothing incredible, and i'm not middle aged), and she seemed very into it and I asked her if she's normally like this, she said she's not normally this passionate.  I was totally taken by her.. It went way over time,  I told her as soon as we were finished, she's an angel, she told me it's an act for the session.  It's quite possible she was bullshitting me.   

I'm interested in a girl that states a preference for a particular physique..I think maybe my physique is not attractive to most women.. 5'7 140lb but it might be attractive to some.. e.g. shorter girls can perhaps sometimes have chemistry towards me where taller ones not so much.. I have pecs and stomach muscle, nothing special clearly, but they exist.. Perhaps some girls might judge the physical and be a bit aroused. So then I could choose one that I find hot, that is happy-ish or even attracted to,  how I look.. Escorts don't seem to be fussy about a man's appearance (other than some racial preference).  They seem to be happy re my "race" white british.  But that's about as fussy as they get.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Maybe you should try a dating website if you're so adamant to find a girl who is "fussy who they jump in bed with" 

Within escorting you will find most women are polite and give you the fantasy you want not all this only jumping in to bed with guys with the right physique. Some have race/age preferences. 

 

But it it sounds like you are looking for a girl who openly stated she likes a guys physique like yours and is so fussy that she only jumps into bed with guys shes attracted to. Stick to dating, as that's what it sounds like. 

We as escort pick and choose who we sleep with of course but not because one has a nice body. I've had some guys with fantastic bodies who weren't that great in the bedroom, I've also had the complete opposite and they've been fabulous. 

Your "search" is just a little strange, your height and weight is of no relevance when it comes to escorting. If escorts only saw guys of a certain height and weight they would be having dusty phones real quick. 

 

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I think is perfectly normal to chose who you want to be with, just as the guys chose a girl based on information presented on her web page, fees, stats, services and most importantly conversation on the phone: some guys say 'what a sexy voice you have' whereas others will put the phone down because they do not like God knows what.  But once you are with that person who might have travelled a long way to see you, it makes sense to treat him/her the best: after all, we are all human beings and the way we treat others show how decent we are........... or not.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Annabellexoxo said:

I think is perfectly normal to chose who you want to be with, just as the guys chose a girl based on information presented on her web page, fees, stats, services and most importantly conversation on the phone: some guys say 'what a sexy voice you have' whereas others will put the phone down because they do not like God knows what.  But once you are with that person who might have travelled a long way to see you, it makes sense to treat him/her the best: after all, we are all human beings and the way we treat others show how decent we are........... or not.

 

 

Of course it's normal to choose who we want to be with. But how many escort do you know who pick their clients by their body shape and height? How many do you know who only jump into bed with those they REALLY want to sleep with? I would say very little. 

OP obviously doesn't like the fact this is a fantasy and some escorts may not enjoy sex with all their clients, that's just the way it is. So maybe he should try dating and actually find a girl who is seeking someone with a specific body type and height. 

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@tightebony It seems to me that escorts are not particularly interested in sex with 99.9% of their clients..  Unless let's say the client sees her to rarely for her sexual liking, and the escort says to him that she'd love to have sex more often so offers it no charge in between the client's regular visits.  Or Unless the girl says "is it ok if I text you" and the guy says yes, and he gets texts that she wants to have sex. That almost never happens for men.  Maybe only 1% of men that see escorts would experience that. 

You say that men are doing this for a fantasy.. Not really, and even moreso  not in the sense that you mean.. They are doing this because they find the girl hot. And they want to have sex with her. And just as the experience itself is REALITY  not pretend sex - so too, if the girl is faking interest, which many do, then that's not necessarily what men are paying for.  If you pay for a holiday, that you wouldn't be able to experience without paying for it, it doesn't necessarily mean that you want any parts of the holiday to be fake holograms.  I do understand why they do it, they're in it for the money - far enough that if they don't genuinely enjoy it then that's fine with them and they make more money by acting.

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5 minutes ago, garifto said:

@tightebony It seems to me that escorts are not particularly interested in sex with 99.9% of their clients..  Unless let's say the client sees her to rarely for her sexual liking, and the escort says to him that she'd love to have sex more often so offers it no charge in between the client's regular visits.  Or Unless the girl says "is it ok if I text you" and the guy says yes, and he gets texts that she wants to have sex. That almost never happens for men.  Maybe only 1% of men that see escorts would experience that. 

You say that men are doing this for a fantasy.. Not really, and even moreso  not in the sense that you mean.. They are doing this because they find the girl hot. And they want to have sex with her. And just as the experience itself is REALITY  not pretend sex - so too, if the girl is faking interest, which many do, then that's not necessarily what men are paying for.  If you pay for a holiday, that you wouldn't be able to experience without paying for it, it doesn't necessarily mean that you want any parts of the holiday to be fake holograms.  I do understand why they do it, they're in it for the money - far enough that if they don't genuinely enjoy it then that's fine with them and they make more money by acting.

Men do pay for the fantasy. 

Why do you think it's called GFE, or PSE? It's for the fantasy. Yes some escorts don't enjoy their meets with clients, there could be many reasons for that. 

If you are genuinely bothered by whether escorts truly enjoy the sex or not then I suggest you stop punting and go find a date if it affects you that much. 

I highly doubt you have slept with 99.9% of escort to come to the conclusions they don't enjoy sex with their clients. You have come to that conclusion based on which escorts YOU have paid for. I know there are plenty of escorts who enjoy sex with some clients, just as there are some who don't. 

Theres not much you can do about that other than not punt at all to save yourself from having to endure any more escorts pretending to enjoy you. 

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14 hours ago, garifto said:

I know a girl that did escorting, that would fake interest, she justified it by saying that's what strippers do.. She did it in quite an extreme way, even telling men that she had feelings for them, telling men that hug here after sex, that this is total comfort, that they fit perfectly together. In her mind, she justified saying she had feelings for them by meaning that she cared about them, just didn't find them sexually attractive.  I've had the experience of her service..and maybe i'm a bit thick but eventually I cottoned onto the fact that she was lying or misleading, and acting.  When the charge is £150 for one hour, they're going to be willing to jump into bed with people they normally wouldn't want.   

Other girls can appear very bored and not into it - which on the one hand I prefer to an actress. But bored or unaroused women aren't too great either - I prefer it to an actress, 'cos I value truth and if that's how they are then fine, but I prefer it if they are legitimately aroused.    

I'm interested in if there are girls that are actually fussy about who they jump into bed with, and that charge.  Then at least they wouldn't be acting.    I once had a girl whose jaw dropped when I took my shirt off.  (I have some stomach muscle though nothing incredible, and i'm not middle aged), and she seemed very into it and I asked her if she's normally like this, she said she's not normally this passionate.  I was totally taken by her.. It went way over time,  I told her as soon as we were finished, she's an angel, she told me it's an act for the session.  It's quite possible she was bullshitting me.   

I'm interested in a girl that states a preference for a particular physique..I think maybe my physique is not attractive to most women.. 5'7 140lb but it might be attractive to some.. e.g. shorter girls can perhaps sometimes have chemistry towards me where taller ones not so much.. I have pecs and stomach muscle, nothing special clearly, but they exist.. Perhaps some girls might judge the physical and be a bit aroused. So then I could choose one that I find hot, that is happy-ish or even attracted to,  how I look.. Escorts don't seem to be fussy about a man's appearance (other than some racial preference).  They seem to be happy re my "race" white british.  But that's about as fussy as they get.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here you go http://www.pof.com/

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oh and by the way, most escorts ARE fussy, we all just have different requirements

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1 hour ago, TightYoungEbony said:

 

Men do pay for the fantasy. 

Why do you think it's called GFE, or PSE? It's for the fantasy.

That can just describe the inclinations of the girl, as much as the inclinations of the guy.  

He might want the intimacy of the GFE without the girl pretending to want the intimacy.

I highly doubt you have slept with 99.9% of escort to come to the conclusions they don't enjoy sex with their clients.

You didn't understand me there.  I said escorts don't enjoy it with 99% of their clients, except for the rare cases of XYZ that I mentioned.   And 99% of clients aren't going to experience XYZ.

XYZ being, the rare < 1% case where  "the client sees her too rarely for her sexual liking, and the escort says to him that she'd love to have sex more often so offers it no charge in between the client's regular visits.  Or Unless the girl says 'is it ok if I text you' and the guy says yes, and he gets texts that she wants to have sex. That almost never happens for men.  Maybe only 1% of men that see escorts would experience that. "

I don't think that I have what it takes to get an escort quality girl knocking on my door unless i'm paying her something.  Paying money is rather like twisting her arm.. And the fee that escorts charge, are many times the average wage, and suggest a lot of arm twisting is required.

If I were to walk down the street and think about who i'd fuck(freely) and who I wouldn't.. and then (I don't tend to do this, but if), from the pool of who I wouldn't, if I were to then ask the(perhaps rather offensive) question, how much would they have to pay me .  And one approached and I thought ah she'd have to pay me £120 for an hour.  That's a measure of how unattractive she'd be.  If one would have to pay me £20 then she's probably a bit unattractive but not too bad.  If one would have to pay me £1000 she'd be seriously unattractive.   

But at the same time, I am not entirely convinced that i'm so unattractive that no escort quality girl of my liking e.g. size 6/8 with average size breasts, would see me for e.g. £20.. Though maybe I am that unattractive...

It'd be interesting if escorts charged more to men they found unattractive, and less to men they found attractive.. it'd be a more honest profession..  I'm curious if the thought to do that ever crosses an escort's mind

They might actually earn more money doing that, because the man knows where he stands.. she's not acting. An attractive man might book more often - getting more bang for his buck... An unattractive man might be able to find one that doesn't find his unattractiveness too bad.  Or they might earn less..   But it's common that when something is more work, for the price to be higher.  So, i'm curious if escorts ever think about raising prices based on that.. Or lowering prices based on that.

And would it be correct to see the price as how much their arm has to be twisted to get them to have sex with them(considering that they wouldn't do it freely)?

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52 minutes ago, garifto said:

 

 

That can just describe the inclinations of the girl, as much as the inclinations of the guy.  

He might want the intimacy of the GFE without the girl pretending to want the intimacy.

 

 

You didn't understand me there.  I said escorts don't enjoy it with 99% of their clients, except for the rare cases of XYZ that I mentioned.   And 99% of clients aren't going to experience XYZ.

XYZ being, the rare < 1% case where  "the client sees her too rarely for her sexual liking, and the escort says to him that she'd love to have sex more often so offers it no charge in between the client's regular visits.  Or Unless the girl says 'is it ok if I text you' and the guy says yes, and he gets texts that she wants to have sex. That almost never happens for men.  Maybe only 1% of men that see escorts would experience that. "

I don't think that I have what it takes to get an escort quality girl knocking on my door unless i'm paying her something.  Paying money is rather like twisting her arm.. And the fee that escorts charge, are many times the average wage, and suggest a lot of arm twisting is required.

If I were to walk down the street and think about who i'd fuck(freely) and who I wouldn't.. and then (I don't tend to do this, but if), from the pool of who I wouldn't, if I were to then ask the(perhaps rather offensive) question, how much would they have to pay me .  And one approached and I thought ah she'd have to pay me £120 for an hour.  That's a measure of how unattractive she'd be.  If one would have to pay me £20 then she's probably a bit unattractive but not too bad.  If one would have to pay me £1000 she'd be seriously unattractive.   

But at the same time, I am not entirely convinced that i'm so unattractive that no escort quality girl of my liking e.g. size 6/8 with average size breasts, would see me for e.g. £20.. Though maybe I am that unattractive...

It'd be interesting if escorts charged more to men they found unattractive, and less to men they found attractive.. it'd be a more honest profession..  I'm curious if the thought to do that ever crosses an escort's mind

They might actually earn more money doing that, because the man knows where he stands.. she's not acting. An attractive man might book more often - getting more bang for his buck... An unattractive man might be able to find one that doesn't find his unattractiveness too bad.  Or they might earn less..   But it's common that when something is more work, for the price to be higher.  So, i'm curious if escorts ever think about raising prices based on that.. Or lowering prices based on that.

And would it be correct to see the price as how much their arm has to be twisted to get them to have sex with them(considering that they wouldn't do it freely)?

No it wouldn't be interesting. It would be completely out of order charge clients by attractiveness. How would you feel if an escort then decided to charge you £200 because she felt you were unattractive? I'm sure you wouldn't be so quick to say it's a good idea.

Also how would the escort find out her client is attractive or unattractive to her? Do the clients send her pictures in order to be accepted? Or do they book her get to the door in hope she will accept them and not say "well it's £200 for you love since j don't find you attractive" 

What a completely ridiculous idea. 

In the nicest way possible your posts are coming across as incredibly delusional. You want an escort but you want to make sure she genuinely wants to sleep with you. Go and join POF or Tinder and go find women for free who genuinely want to sleep with you, if you're so attractive and not that bad like you say, it should be easy. 

I really can't read through all of your paragraphs as they just don't seem to make a whole lot of sense at all. 

Paying an escort to sleep with you is nothing like "twisting her arm" she chooses to be an escort, she chooses to be paid to sleep with men and would or should know that some men will come in who she will find completely unattractive, that's part of the job and we deal with it. If you can't grasp the fact that there will be escorts who don't find you attractive but will still take your money and give you the fantasy then I suggest you retire from punting. Go on a date, I'll keep saying it. 

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AT  TightYoungEbony -  Obviously in the current paradigm, you, like all escorts in the current format, are doing it purely or almost purely, for the money, and you would be willing to have sex with people you find "completely unattractive", as part of the job.  Perhaps there are women that want money for sex and are willing to lower their standards a bit, but aren't willing to go as far as escorts in the current format have to. It wouldn't be so strange to me if that were the case.  You suggest it'd be offensive to the man that gets rejected, well, some men might value the truth more than you think, people get rejected in dating all the time, it's no different, and they can always get a girl that will have sex for £120-£150+ and fake interest in them. There's no shortage of girls that do that.  The reason why I haven't tried dating sites is that i'm not attractive enough to get the kind of girl that i'd like for free, I just doubt that i'm that unattractive looking that it'd take in excess of £120 to do it, though maybe I am, maybe i'm worse, in which case the best I can get is to pay fakers! 

You mention that there are men that look bad and are crap in bed, and men that look good and are bad in bed, and it seems maybe you prefer the ones that look bad but are good in bed. Well, in which case you're not sexually attracted to them, only to the skill they have.  But maybe some women are more visual.. And lots of men would prefer a clueless woman that looks great, over an unattractive looking woman that is some kind of expert.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, garifto said:

AT  TightYoungEbony -  Obviously in the current paradigm, you, like all escorts in the current format, are doing it purely or almost purely, for the money, and you would be willing to have sex with people you find "completely unattractive", as part of the job.  Perhaps there are women that want money for sex and are willing to lower their standards a bit, but aren't willing to go as far as escorts in the current format have to. It wouldn't be so strange to me if that were the case.  You suggest it'd be offensive to the man that gets rejected, well, some men might value the truth more than you think, people get rejected in dating all the time, it's no different, and they can always get a girl that will have sex for £120-£150+ and fake interest in them. There's no shortage of girls that do that.  The reason why I haven't tried dating sites is that i'm not attractive enough to get the kind of girl that i'd like for free, I just doubt that i'm that unattractive looking that it'd take in excess of £120 to do it, though maybe I am, maybe i'm worse, in which case the best I can get is to pay fakers! 

You mention that there are men that look bad and are crap in bed, and men that look good and are bad in bed, and it seems maybe you prefer the ones that look bad but are good in bed. Well, in which case you're not sexually attracted to them, only to the skill they have.  But maybe some women are more visual.. And lots of men would prefer a clueless woman that looks great, over an unattractive looking woman that is some kind of expert.

 

 

Please don't not make assumptions and claim you know what I like and what I don't. 

Sorry to burst your bubble but most of not all escorts are in it for the money first and foremost, that's logical. It's a fabulous bonus to get great sex and meet great people. I'm yet to befriend an escort who decided to do this job just for the sex.. I doubt I'll ever meet one. 

I prefer a man who's good in bed regardless of what he looks like, nobody wants someone who's crap in bed whether he looks like Tom Hardy or the hunch back of Notre Dame. You are completely delusional and think that there would be a market for escorts to choose the amount they charge based on the attrictiveness of said punter. 

Punters pay WGs for the fantasy and to be able to pay her a great service regardless of their looks and leave after. If you are that insecure and can't bear to sleep with an escort that doesn't find you attractive I suggest you never pay for sex again. 

As much as you may want to think there are escorts who will only sleep with men they fancy, that is not the case. If that was the case many of us would have very dusty phones and wouldn't make much money. 

I think the lack of replies to your original post speaks volumes on what people think of what you've said and how ridiculous it actually sounds. 

My advice to you is to quit punting since you don't like the fact escorts are (first and foremost) in it for the money, and join POF and Tinder hopefully you'll find someone who fits your ever growing needs.

Meanwhile good luck in finding that "fussy escort" who will only sleep with those she's attracted to. I have a feeling you may need all the luck in the world :)

 

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How would she know until you turned up? Sure you can send photos, but it sounds quite risky and time consuming for both. Sort of dating with the option for her to say 'No thanks' or "That will be £100 to go further", and then how will you know she isn't thinking about the money. I guess you will if on the night she says "No" which is a huge risk to you. 

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Paying for sex is arousing.

It's naughty. 

It's exciting.

I like GFE, insofar as I like a kiss and a cuddle, but I certainly don't want to pretend I am with an "imaginary" girlfriend. What would be the point of meeting a WG and finding I didnt meet her physical type?

A hairdreser doesnt only cut the hair of of the "beautiful people", she also provides a service to unfashionable muppets.

 

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Many men would be physically incapable of having sex with women they are not attracted to, both physically and emotionally. Unattractive women tend to cause feelings of repulsion, not just lack of attraction.

Do you women get that feeling of repulsion from guys you find physically unattractive?

 

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There are some very good looking guys out there, yet the majority of guys make themselves attractive by how they wear themselves, the beauty of their mind etc.  Personally I cannot stand aggressive people, who swear so often or two faced bullies who are angry most of the time, so I tend to run away from them: there is no need for me to be in their negative environment that drains me of my energy.  Beauty lies in simplicity sometimes.....

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5 hours ago, Annabellexoxo said:

There are some very good looking guys out there, yet the majority of guys make themselves attractive by how they wear themselves, the beauty of their mind etc.  Personally I cannot stand aggressive people, who swear so often or two faced bullies who are angry most of the time, so I tend to run away from them: there is no need for me to be in their negative environment that drains me of my energy.  Beauty lies in simplicity sometimes.....

Absolutely agree! 

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I'm not talking purely about how good looking they are or are not, i'm talking about how attractive they are.. . There are  some guys (maybe quite a few, maybe not many, but some),  that are quiet, not aggressive, aren't good at talking, aren't successful in their life, and don't dress well, and don't carry themselves well, and are just thinking about sex when they see a girl rather than impressing the girl with their passions about life, e.g. maybe they're not passionate about life.   

Supposing a female is unattracted to that.. as many are.. but that female is a prostitute.. that being unattracted presumably isn't going to change.. Do they feel repulsion with the unattractedness?

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Just because she acts the hussey

Doesn't mean she is not fussy

The punter must allways be clean

Take good care of his personal hygiene

When going into an escorts flat

He must always remove his hat

Some escorts may seem a little lewd

But that's different from being rude

Respect is the best attitude.

 

As a footnote, if you had asked do escorts have preferences, then the answer is obviously YES.They list them, they list the services they provide, and some place restrictions on clients. For example some are ok with disabled men, some are not. Some are unwilling to see younger men. All provide services at thejr discretion. Using my hairdresser example turn up  with nits and you get turned away.Turn up at an escort and you try to haggle act mean and you're not clean, you should also be turned away.

 

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On ‎11‎/‎12‎/‎2015‎ ‎01‎:‎57‎:‎06, garifto said:

Many men would be physically incapable of having sex with women they are not attracted to, both physically and emotionally. Unattractive women tend to cause feelings of repulsion, not just lack of attraction.

Do you women get that feeling of repulsion from guys you find physically unattractive?

 

You don't seem to understand that attraction works differently in women than it does in men.

Whereas attraction works mostly on a physical way for men, it works more on an emotional level for women. Therefore while us men (being simple creatures lol) can be attracted to any girl who looks good, women are attracted to guys who make them feel good about themselves.

For example, even an average looking girl can get a lot of male attention by wearing tight and / or revealing clothing (look at the saucy pics the girls on here or AW use to seduce us lol). However, an average guy can charm a girl by giving her compliments, showing he's a good listener / conversationalist ; etc. Furthermore, you always hear girls saying how they love a guy who can make them laugh and in personal ads (I'm talking civvie ads here), you always see things like GSOH  listed as important. (never seen "must have 6 pack.. unless it's of beer ;) ). There's a reason you often see very attractive women with less attractive guys... but seldom the other way round.

Also for the escorts, it's more a business for them rather than pleasure... I could be wrong, but maybe it would be easier to have sex in these circumstances with someone they're not physically attracted to as it prevents their own emotions getting in the way. Unless the WG has an attraction / preference to a particular race, I've never seen things like good looks mentioned in their 'would like to meet' section... I do see things like hygiene, and politeness / manners mentioned a lot though.

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Mr Dirty Git, I did say "

I'm not talking purely about how good looking they are or are not, i'm talking about how attractive they are.. . There are  some guys (maybe quite a few, maybe not many, but some),  that are quiet, not aggressive, aren't good at talking, aren't successful in their life, and don't dress well, and don't carry themselves well, and are just thinking about sex when they see a girl rather than impressing the girl with their passions about life, e.g. maybe they're not passionate about life.   

Supposing a female is unattracted to that.. as many are.. but that female is a prostitute.. that being unattracted presumably isn't going to change.. Do they feel repulsion with the unattractedness?

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So I understand that women tend to have different criteria than men.   And you can add not having a good sense of humour / not being able to make them laugh, to the list. 

What i'm asking them is, if when men are unattractive, does that unattractiveness translate to repulsion.

The thing is though,if a woman here writes that they are repulsed by men they find unattractive then it might put such men off so maybe I won't get an answer to that one from women here!

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If you want a fussy girl to sleep with, put a diamond on her finger and see what happens ;)

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On 12/12/2015, 6:27:00, DirtyGit said:

You don't seem to understand that attraction works differently in women than it does in men.

Whereas attraction works mostly on a physical way for men, it works more on an emotional level for women. Therefore while us men (being simple creatures lol) can be attracted to any girl who looks good, women are attracted to guys who make them feel good about themselves.

 

Not sure that I would 100% agree with the statement that attraction is more emotional-based for women.  How would you explain women who are good friends with a guy but just don't want to have sex with him because they are not attracted.

I was (sort of) dating a girl in London (yes, she worked as an escort), but after 3 months of a long-distance relationship she just "wanted to be friends" (and no benefits) as I am not "her type", but I was a "really good guy".  And I was always able to make her feel good about herself, cheer her up when she was down etc etc.  But for more than 9 months she was hung up on her ex-boyfriend, who was very good looking, but told her that she "was stupid" on a daily basis....

I'd say that in civilian life, women are nearly as picky about physical attraction as men.  In the "escort business" it is just easier for women to provide the service to a man that they are not attracted to.  Much more difficult for us guys to perform, if we are not attracted (the lack of attraction really shows for us LOL)

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To miami,    How to attract women is a subject in itself, - not a small subject -  and I doubt anybody here is going to be a big expert on that.    You can read lots of material about avoiding the friend zone, and attracting women, and see lots of examples of guys that are average, or out of shape, kind of ugly, or very ugly, getting attractive girls.    Women can't do that with men. You cannot generally get fat ugly women making typical men go very horny. The idea is just absurd.  I suggest you check youtube for some examples of such men attracting women, it's a skillset, not just making them happy though that's part of it. 

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