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ok so how would YOU write laws regarding prostituion to protect girls if law is shit

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Seen a lot of slaggin off of proposed laws to help trafficed or controlled girls via rediculous debt, threats to family back in home country, taking of passports, drugs or thugary...

Now Im wondering if all we have here is a bunch of selish or deluded head in the sand scumbags who dont give a damn about other.

If not how would you write laws to clean up prostition so nobody is forced or made to do anything against their will, if anyone is in it despirate for cash only how can they be helped out, wghat should be done to those acting abuseively or how would you have action carried out outside conventional laws to deal with the problem as clearly everything would be better for punters and the girls with a cleaned up industry

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Now Im wondering if all we have here is a bunch of selish or deluded head in the sand scumbags who dont give a damn about other.

Naturally I can't speak for any of the other members, but you do seem to have got me bang to rights, I'm impressed.

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The feminists wouldn't like is but the easiest idea is to legalise prostitution and require all brothels and escort agencies to register with the govt. A list of those who are registered is then published on the net or can be sent via mail for a nominal fee. The govt could then monitor the girls in those registered brothels/agencies to ensure they're happy. Only clients visiting girls outside of registered establishments would have to worry. Obviously there could still be issues with apparent independents who turn out to be run by a pimp, but it's still a damn sight better than the current proposals. Might even work well, with proper fine tuning.

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i'd make brothels have to have a licence and the girls working there to have a licence too. Operating without a licence or employing girls with no licence would be an offence. To get a licence you would have to prove you are in the UK legally.

it would be a condition of the licence that girls have regular health checks.

Brothels would be legalised up to a maximum number of

girls working concurrently as I see no sense in the current law.

and I would get the plod to take very seroiulsly complains from girls about violence from punters.

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proposed laws to help trafficed or controlled girls via rediculous debt, threats to family back in home country, taking of passports, drugs or thugary...

These things are already against the law. What's needed is for the government to put money into effective border controls and effective, intelligence-led policing in order to get the existing laws enforced.

The proposed new laws won't do anything to help trafficked or controlled women. That's just the cover story to try and make the laws more acceptable. The real reason for them is to get punters so frightened & confused that they'll play safe and won't visit any girls 'just in case'. The Swedish Model by the back door.

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i would involve the most important group in laws re prostitution,the women themselves,the english collective of prostitutes and the international union of sexworkers

they seem to favour the new zealand model which decriminalises prostitution

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I understand Jacqui Smith has never even spoken to a WG and has very limited knowledge about the subject she's trying to legislate.

There seem to be two problems she's trying to tackle. First is exploitation of women and I would be the first to agree no woman (or man) should be made to work as a prostitute against their will. The second is public nuisance, which is very over played.

Both these issues would be far better tackled by licensing brothels and closing down any unlicensed places. The government is worried about being seen to condone the sex trade, but hey, get over it, this profession has been around for years!

Dave

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Perhaps they are concerned that if brothels were legalised they would struggle with writing the standards that would no doubt be required.....

ISO / EN standard for Blowjob / Handjob / Facial / Anal / Full Sex etc etc :eek:

And of course the ISO 9000/1/4 requirements.... :rolleyes:

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I have today wrote to Ms Smith and my local MP and also spoken to the producer of the Trisha programme. None of which I am expecting to help the current situation. The fact that none of the sisterhood have even spoken to sex-worker in the Uk just shows their ignorance and I doubt if anyone could now change their minds. Having said that I think it's about time at least one of us speaks out. My suggestions are mini brothels, I think you will find that most, not all of the larger venues have staff problems and the only way they can operate and keep up with overheads is to set on any girl who walks through the door, may she be a drug addict or trafficked. Please note that I said most not all, I do know of some larger venues that are run by women, thank god and are very well run. All brothel owners should be registred as a bona fide business ( and theres a lot that are not and get away without paying tax) All sex-workers should be registered and given a identity number. The police should have the powers to close, for good any venue that is not registered and any venue found working with trafficked girls or under age girls. Responsible owners should not allow drink or drugs in the place anyway and I think you will find this is sort of action would deter most of the unscrupulous owners. Planning permission should be in place in every city council thus saving brothels opening up in residental areas. This business needs to be out in the open enough to deter the traffickers and let the police, when needed oust out the people that exploit the desperate women who are forced into the profession. The current proposal will most definatley send the business underground into the hands of the waiting traffickers. How will JS and HH feel when the bodies of young EE girls who are worn out and no use to the scum who exploit them are found at the bottom of the canal... the ignorant old cows will be sitting pretty with their inheritance and will most probably still be taking 'donations' from dodgy busines men. Please someone put me in front of these daft bats who are so far up their own arse to see sense.

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All sex-workers should be registered and given a identity number.

Registration is not an option I would favour for individual girls - with the advent of ID cards not only may it prevent you from travelling to certain countries but it may also have a wider impact for your family ie. those who have children may find social services become involved. Known prostitutes could find themselves having babies taken from them at birth. It could leave you open to blackmail at any time in your life - we all know how good government bodies are at protecting your data. It will create a two tier system as many would be afraid of the consequences and not want to register.

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Right with you on that, Mel.

Registration is like labelling.

Now there are a huge number of women who dip in and out of the paid sex scene & for all kinds of reasons, mostly centred around being single mums. I can't see a register doing a damn thing to help the single mum who wants to maintain her kids standard of living while she stops working to do a college course, who can only get work which makes it v. hard to get time with the kids, needs to keep the show on the road after divorce (all apply to my regs at present).

Having registered, and gone through the palaver few would feel much incentive to get out - bit like us offshore types, the cert, work permits are all currrent - keep working til they expire!

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Now there are a huge number of women who dip in and out of the paid sex scene & for all kinds of reasons, mostly centred around being single mums. I can't see a register doing a damn thing to help the single mum who wants to maintain her kids standard of living while she stops working to do a college course, who can only get work which makes it v. hard to get time with the kids, needs to keep the show on the road after divorce (all apply to my regs at present).

A friend of mine has recently divorced and asked me to give her a hand with working family tax credits and all the other stuff that goes with it (her ex looked after the finances) - it took from beginning of August until the middle of October to get any WFTC for her, she has arrears stacking up to over £1k - still not sorted on that front and due to an oversight has already lost £150 in entitlement - she is not far from facing eviction from her property. If she did lose her home it looks like she would have to stay in a hostel/bed and breakfast with the children for a couple of months. We won't let it happen to her but I'm sure there must be hundreds of women in the same situation she has found herself in and have to turn to 'turning a few tricks' just to keep a roof over their head.

Next person who comes to me and finds themselves having to claim benefits, I'll be contacting HH and giving her a blow by blow account of the process and giving her a little insight into how the system isn't working and ask why the government isn't taking responsibility for forcing some women to sell their bodies due to their bloody incompetence.

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Registration is not an option I would favour for individual girls - with the advent of ID cards not only may it prevent you from travelling to certain countries but it may also have a wider impact for your family ie. those who have children may find social services become involved. Known prostitutes could find themselves having babies taken from them at birth. It could leave you open to blackmail at any time in your life - we all know how good government bodies are at protecting your data. It will create a two tier system as many would be afraid of the consequences and not want to register.

Yes thinking about it your right, it was just a suggestion, although I'm sure there must be some way around it. Probably just making sure all sex-workers were registered as self employed.

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<<I have today wrote to Ms Smith and my local MP>> - well done ViceGirl. I have also written to my MP.

I am not sure anything will change JS's view that all WGs are exploited, trafficked, drug crazed, fallen women who must be saved from themselves by a latter-day Joan of Arc, but writing to your MP is certainly a very good move.

Does your MP hold surgeries or similar session where you could meet him/her face-to-face to explain the real situation? This legislation will get hammered into shape in the parliamentary committee stages and it is very important that the MPs who take part in those sessions are well informed if there is to be any hope of anything sensible being passed into law.

I would therefore urge all WGs to go and see their MP at the earliest opportunity.

Dave

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A friend of mine has recently divorced and asked me to give her a hand with working family tax credits and all the other stuff that goes with it (her ex looked after the finances) - it took from beginning of August until the middle of October to get any WFTC for her, she has arrears stacking up to over £1k - still not sorted on that front and due to an oversight has already lost £150 in entitlement - she is not far from facing eviction from her property. If she did lose her home it looks like she would have to stay in a hostel/bed and breakfast with the children for a couple of months. We won't let it happen to her but I'm sure there must be hundreds of women in the same situation she has found herself in and have to turn to 'turning a few tricks' just to keep a roof over their head.

Next person who comes to me and finds themselves having to claim benefits, I'll be contacting HH and giving her a blow by blow account of the process and giving her a little insight into how the system isn't working and ask why the government isn't taking responsibility for forcing some women to sell their bodies due to their bloody incompetence.

I know a single mum who has been evicted from the council house she rented through a mix up with family tax credits, she has now gone back into parlour work to fund the deposit and rent on a private rental. The government would not give her a penny to help.

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Perhaps they are concerned that if brothels were legalised they would struggle with writing the standards that would no doubt be required.....

ISO / EN standard for Blowjob / Handjob / Facial / Anal / Full Sex etc etc :eek:

And of course the ISO 9000/1/4 requirements.... :D

Yes could make for some very interesting risk assessments for required health and safety paperwork :rolleyes:

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Yes thinking about it your right, it was just a suggestion, although I'm sure there must be some way around it. Probably just making sure all sex-workers were registered as self employed.

One point akanostromo raised is that some girls are in and out prostitution short term ie. a few tricks to get them through a bad patch then maybe not back until they need some money for Christmas. If they do sign on as self employed then it's a minefield of paperwork, book keeping, taxation and to be honest many girls would see it as a nightmare to get through and not bother for the sake of a few hundred pounds every once in a while.

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If not how would you write laws to clean up prostition so nobody is forced or made to do anything against their will, if anyone is in it despirate for cash only how can they be helped out, wghat should be done to those acting abuseively or how would you have action carried out outside conventional laws to deal with the problem as clearly everything would be better for punters and the girls with a cleaned up industry

Decriminalize brothels. Spend more money on policing. Take a lot of effort to spend it carefully, not all at once in a big rush. Don't close the only dedicated anti-trafficking unit in the country (presumably at least one of the things covered by "trafficking" was slavery / clear-cut debt bondage). Consider the possibility that passing new laws often makes things worse, unless you think carefully about the laws.

And if you really want to wipe out sex slavery altogether, remove all restrictions on immigration. Of course, we don't really want to wipe it out at any significant cost to our wallets, or we'd have done that by now.

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