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What Has Shaped Our Physical Attraction?

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Hi all,
 
Happy new year, and all that crap.
 
Following on from some previous threads (particularly the  "Any fussy escorts" thread) I thought it would be a good idea to discuss what makes someone attractive. On the other thread (in between all the bickering) there were some interesting points made regarding what does / doesn't make someone attractive. In particular, things such as body type and skin colour were mentioned.
 
Traditionally, the things that makes someone "classically" good looking are things such as facial symmetry, good proportions etc.  as well as things like sparkly eyes, cheekbones or a nice smile. there's no mention about things like body type of skin colour... Those are all things that are perpetuated by the media and I'll consider them separately
 
Hair / Skin colour:- Since the 1950's, "the blonde bombshell" (e.g. Marilyn Munroe, Brigitte Bardot etc.) has been perpetuated as the epitome of female perfection... also sayings like "Gentlemen prefer blondes" and "Blondes have more fun" re-inforce this idea; is it any wonder why peroxide sales rocketed? lol. It's my personal opinion / belief that this is a residual of the Nazi theology (don't forget Hitler also gave the world motorways and the VW Beetle lol). Furthermore, almost all black people were noted for their talent and not their looks; in the 1960's many of the Motown stars were encouraged to adopt white / Caucasian hair styles (Supremes and their bee-hives, 4 Tops and their Quiffs etc.). It wasn't until the very late 60's early 70's when following the "Blaxploitation" movement that afro-Caribbean features were celebrated... one of the main feature was to grow the hair to a size that you couldn't miss (hence the name "Afro").
 
Despite this, there were still very few high-profile black / non-Caucasian sex symbols. Granted, in the 80's and 90's there were Naomi Campbell, Tyra Banks and the late Witney Houston, but these were more the "token" black people to keep the PC Brigade happy; they were not really on a par with their Caucasian counterparts (unless your name's Robert DE Nero lol). I think a lot of people may have been put off black girls because of the stereotype of them being feisty loud ghetto princesses (Naomi Campbell was almost as known for her tantrums as her modelling). It wasn't until 2003, when the world saw Beyoncé twerking in the video "Crazy in love" that a lot of guys eyes were opened... and she certainly paved the way for the likes of Rihanna, Nikki Minaj etc. to be accepted by the main-stream media (most red-blooded males will just see Beyoncé as an attractive woman (as opposed to an attractive "black" woman)).
 
And that attitude is clearly evident in any cosmopolitan environment. For example in London you will see a lot more black girls with white guys than even as recent as 15-20 years ago. It's not just an age/ generation thing... as I see just as many middle-aged / older interracial couples as well as those who are young. I guess similar things observations could be made about white & Asian or black and Asian but religious / cultural differences are likely to be big factors than they are compared to simply black / white.
 
Body type:-  It has long been considered that the ideal waist / hip ratio was 0.7; in theory, as long as this was met then it didn't matter what dress size the girl was. It's also interesting to note how what is considered an ideal physical ideal around the world. For example, in some far eastern countries, very slim women with  (dare I say it) "boyish" features are considered attractive. On the other hand, in Africa, women who are very fat are very popular (traditionally, being fat is considered a symbol of wealth)...  notice how a lot of middle-aged overweight women go to Africa to find a toyboy? Having said that, due to the internet (and porn) all tastes now seem to be shifting to the western ideals.
 
It's also noted how "fashions" of women's physiques fluctuates in the western society... one year it seem it's the "waif" look that's all the rage and then the next season everyone is praising curvy women (e.g. Kate Moss Vs Cindy Crawford from the 90's). Furthermore, having a big bum has always traditionally been an embarrassing thing for women to have but around the Millennium Jennifer Lopez or  J-Lo famously flaunted her "culo muy grande" and the world couldn't get enough of it. Maybe it's also a consequence of "hip hop" culture, but now there are no shortage of women who show off their larger than life asses (e.g. Kim Kardashian, Nikki Minaj etc.)
 
Also the medias portrayal of the "larger" woman has not typically been complimentary; the best of them have been chubby, cuddly etc. which I would consider to be somewhat condescending. Fair enough, there is now a term BBW but I find this is more a term used almost exclusively in the adult industry (I've not heard this term used in mainstream media). The closest two positive descriptions would be curvy or voluptuous, but I wouldn't say either are suitable for all larger women, say who are much bigger than a size 16.
 
I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but I guess I'm asking what makes someone attractive in your opinion and what has shaped your perception of beauty. Was it mainstream media or cultural expectations? Also, how open-minded are you to finding "alternative" types attractive? (Are your tastes flexible or are they set in stone?) It's also said that our tastes can vary whether we want to marry that person or just shag them (the love Vs lust debate) Do you find this is the case?
 
This is not restricted to women (I just spoke about women because as a straight man, that's what I can relate to) so girls, feel free to talk about what you find attractive (both in the working and civvie world).

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There are so many different things going on, I'd hardly know where to start... Two little tidbits come to mind though. Firstly, in the west, women's waists have got thicker as maternal nutrition has improved. You can see this in many actresses and models today - they're slim or skinny, but don't have the waist/hip ratio of their mother's or grandmother's generation. Someone like Scarlett Johansson stands out because she does.

Secondly, personal experience affects attraction, but so does biology. On the whole, you're more likely to find someone who looks like you attractive. That said, many people go against that grain for whatever reason, e.g. white men who only ever go for Asian women etc.

I also wonder if men are more likely to have a physical 'type' than women? There are some definite dislikes for me, but there's not really much of a pattern in the men I've dated in terms of height, looks or colouring.

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You have to remember body shape differs with race. Archeologists can determine race from a skeleton because there are subtle differencies. Negroes have a slightly different structure round the cocyx which means a black arse sticks out more than a white one. 

Now has evolution made it so other negroes find this attractive? That, over millenia, would reinforce the trait. If thats true, however, how are interracial relationship possible?

Another theory is that visible parts of the body mimic genetalia. So lips are supposed to mimic labia. This attracts blokes, they say. Are blokes always attracted to thick lipped women? And has lipstick evolved to accentuate the ersatz labia? Dunno, but interesting.

But they say the big attraction is smell. Ferromones. But the wrong smell is a massive turnoff. Which is how nature stops us fancying close blood relatives.

 

And why has nature given us 'arse men' 'leg men' and 'tits men'. Why do different men look at different parts of a womens body? And are there 'arse girls' and 'legs girls' - do women vary in which bit matters most?

Too many questions? 

And what about those people who would shag anyone with a pulse?

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I must admit i have a difference between the girls I look at and ultimately the ones I find most pleasurable in bed'.

Size 6 and 8 are amazing to look at but I find from a purely physical perspective a 10 is much better to get physical with.

 

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Coventrypunter said:

You have to remember body shape differs with race. Archeologists can determine race from a skeleton because there are subtle differencies. Negroes have a slightly different structure round the cocyx which means a black arse sticks out more than a white one. 

Now has evolution made it so other negroes find this attractive? That, over millenia, would reinforce the trait. If thats true, however, how are interracial relationship possible?

Another theory is that visible parts of the body mimic genetalia. So lips are supposed to mimic labia. This attracts blokes, they say. Are blokes always attracted to thick lipped women? And has lipstick evolved to accentuate the ersatz labia? Dunno, but interesting.

But they say the big attraction is smell. Ferromones. But the wrong smell is a massive turnoff. Which is how nature stops us fancying close blood relatives.

 

And why has nature given us 'arse men' 'leg men' and 'tits men'. Why do different men look at different parts of a womens body? And are there 'arse girls' and 'legs girls' - do women vary in which bit matters most?

Too many questions? 

And what about those people who would shag anyone with a pulse?

Hasn't dear old Hannibal Lector got the answer to that one? "We begin by coveting what we see every day...Claricccceee"

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I work alongside lots of nubile younger models so perhaps that is the case!!

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The OP seems to think people don't have minds of their own. I've always liked girls with big tits, ever since primary school. Whatever the media do/say is inconsequential. They are never going to make me like flat-chested girls.

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my preference is the type one sees in met art fem joy, Hegre art type. Slim with some boobs, Slavic type. Not sure why, I have noticed as I have got older the girls attracted to me got bigger as I got bigger. I am still stuck on the girls I liked at uni. I was standing next to a romanian girl I know and she had the perfect body type for me. I wonders then if she was so ideal, height bone, structure shape etc the it should be an element of nature. She should recognise my shape as a genetic match. Height frame etc. Her bf is miles of my shape so I wonderd why then hers was so attractive to me. It seems the popularity of mixed race guy with english girls means they subconsciously they are trying to change their genetics. Asian girls are attractive to me but not as much as Slavic but I am more attractive to Asian girls. Slavic girls tend to stay in their group which is a head scratch as their men are often not looking great compared to their girl friends. A Macho attitude and thug look seem to over ride the genetic motivation. Perhaps the uk male has reached a point of no return and their genetics are deemed week not the future as an over riding trend. 

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Can honestly say I don't have a type and don't think too much about why I find someone attractive or not.

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On 3/1/2016 at 9:00 PM, painter1 said:

 Slavic girls tend to stay in their group which is a head scratch as their men are often not looking great compared to their girl friends. A Macho attitude and thug look seem to over ride the genetic motivation. 

The same thought had occurred to me, and I get to see quite a lot of both sexes in the course of my work. An Albanian girl I remember once saying to me that what she missed most about her own country was the boys -. so much better looking, she thought, than those in her own country. Running through my mind the Albanian males I'd seen recently, I said nothing, but was sore perplexed.

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certainly I recognise a trend that english women say with a ore war heritage don't see english men as attractive. Socially there is a connection but there seems to be a sun conscious disconnect with those who they get on with socially and who they find sexually attractive. It's complex but there Seems  to be a trend away from pre war heritaged british men. A shallow example, given the demographic, is the tv show take me out. Mixed race men and non pre war ethnicly heritaged men are much more likely to get approval is seems.  Is it really that the Rupert Brooke look is really non sexual to english women? ( as a trend) and the Craig David, ( for want of a better example) look is the genetic future? 

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During puberty I had a crush on a big girl. One of there early developers in my year when I was in secondary school. Pretty girl, big tits and big body to match. She was always quite nice to me. As I grew up, I found myself attracted to bigger ladies. I always seemed to have a nicer experience when talking to big girls. Maybe they had less of an ego, I don't know. Anyway it pretty much cemented my taste as I ventured into adulthood. I would take Tess Holiday over Megan Foxx in a heartbeat.  

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In early teens I was into tits, but since they were always covered up, and legs were out in the summer, I tried to shift my focus to legs, which is also far more practical since even short women have legs. Not like tits where flat chested women have almost nothing there at all. Tits are still of importance to me but I was able to shift from an early age, to focus on legs.    Asses don't interest me unless they are super exceptional to the point of being spectacularly rare, I have only ever seen one such ass and that was last year, and belongs to porn star Bella Bellz(you can search her on xvideos), and then for me it'd be all about the ass and nothing else, but i've never even seen an escort with such an ass.

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On ‎02‎/‎01‎/‎2016 at 10:52 PM, Pol Pot said:

The OP seems to think people don't have minds of their own.

Excuse me, where did you get that from?!?

I described the influences the media has on society's perception on beauty, and then I asked individuals what has influenced what they find attractive.

Granted, the person  / individual is smart and can make up their own minds on a lot of issues... but collectively, people are like sheep and tend to follow a common belief of whatever demographic they belong to. Am I talking rubbish? Well look at how many teenage girls starve themselves because society tells them that "Thin= beautiful & fat = fugly" Similarly, you also get several girls either spending their life savings or getting into ridiculous debt to get a boob job because that's the only way to get male attention. It's not even restricted to girls these days... following programs like Jersey / Geordie Shore and The Only way is Essex, you've now got young guys in the gym killing themselves to get the chiselled Adonis body. If you really can't see the influence media has on what people like, then you're being very naïve IMHO.

 

By all means contribute to the thread, but please do NOT put words in my mouth!

 

On ‎02‎/‎01‎/‎2016 at 10:52 PM, Pol Pot said:

I've always liked girls with big tits, ever since primary school. Whatever the media do/say is inconsequential. They are never going to make me like flat-chested girls.

But what you've described is what your typical red-blooded male likes. This is pretty much the standard image of the glamour model we have rammed down our throats. Your argument would have had far more weight if you said you liked flat-chested girls; regardless of what the media or your peers said

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To DirtyGit, 

So your theory is that men just like the kind of women that the media tells them to like.. Do you also think that their erections react according to what the media has told them is attractive?

The media often pushes homosexuality, particularly to kids, where kids tv presenters are often very camp. (one or two of them might even act camp to get the job). I don't think that has had an effect. 

Most men know themselves well enough to know better than your theory, and can see it's innate. 

Generally it's women (who are indeed influenced by the media), that think men operate like that.

I don't know what kind of data you think you are going to glean from answers to your question that is going to provide evidence for or against your theory.  Anybody that says they're attracted to slim busty women, you can dismiss as possibly influenced by the MSM(mainstream media).   And anybody else you could say is an outlier. If you think you're going to get a load of posts telling you that they like flat chested women then I suppose that would prove your theory correct, but that's not going to happen. How about you look at what might prove your theory wrong.  

There are some areas of porn that the media haven't pushed onto men but that many men find attractive.  Girls fighting is one.  Many young men have seen that stuff and thought WTF why am I getting a boner from this!  

Maybe you like fat women and are bothered that others think they're unattractive and say you have bad taste, so you justify it to yourself by saying that really you're following what you naturally like and they'd naturally like it too but they're just brainwashed by the media into not realizing it and so they're just sheep, unlike you of course. Anyhow, nowadays there is so much alternative media around.. people can find what they want to find. and media supporting it, even moreso now than in the past.

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11 hours ago, painter1 said:

certainly I recognise a trend that english women say with a ore war heritage don't see english men as attractive. Socially there is a connection but there seems to be a sun conscious disconnect with those who they get on with socially and who they find sexually attractive. It's complex but there Seems  to be a trend away from pre war heritaged british men. A shallow example, given the demographic, is the tv show take me out. Mixed race men and non pre war ethnicly heritaged men are much more likely to get approval is seems.  Is it really that the Rupert Brooke look is really non sexual to english women? ( as a trend) and the Craig David, ( for want of a better example) look is the genetic future? 

Mixed race people tend to be genetically healthier, and as such, may appear to be more attractive. Think of people like Keanu Reeves, Jessica Michibata, Beyonce, Nicole Scherzinger, Vin Diesel, Prince etc. etc. All very different, but a varied heritage often makes for striking looks.

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1 hour ago, garifto said:

To DirtyGit, 

So your theory is that men just like the kind of women that the media tells them to like..

No,

I have just made some observations on how "attractiveness" has been portrayed by the media... and then I asked people what (if anything) has shaped their attraction.

 

I can't be bothered to reply to the rest of your post mate, sorry.

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2 hours ago, DirtyGit said:

No,

I have just made some observations on how "attractiveness" has been portrayed by the media... and then I asked people what (if anything) has shaped their attraction.

 

I can't be bothered to reply to the rest of your post mate, sorry.

Well the short version is what Pol Pot said " The OP [that's you] seems to think people don't have minds of their own. I've always liked girls with big tits, ever since primary school. Whatever the media do/say is inconsequential. They are never going to make me like flat-chested girls. "

If you thought and examined things more deeply, you'd have understood that Pol Pot was right.   But I can see why you can't figure that out.

Your reply to him said "Your argument would have had far more weight if you said you liked flat-chested girls; regardless of what the media or your peers said"      <-- You seem to not even understand that that is what he was saying.

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Posted (edited)

That last sentence of my post is an error which I can't edit due to the 10min rule.  I'd just note that Pol Pot's post is a hell of a lot clearer for you than mine.

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7 hours ago, KayHerts said:

Mixed race people tend to be genetically healthier, and as such, may appear to be more attractive. Think of people like Keanu Reeves, Jessica Michibata, Beyonce, Nicole Scherzinger, Vin Diesel, Prince etc. etc. All very different, but a varied heritage often makes for striking looks.

It's completely unpredictable, isn't it? Sometimes the results are very beautiful and striking, sometimes odd.

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I think experience often helps shape what kind of people we go for.My partner had a good friendship with a large girl at primary school and later describes one of his best sexual encounters at the age of 18 being with a big girl at college who essentially 'used' him on a one night stand...years on he has always been attracted to larger ladies with big boobies.When he punted it was always curvy to bbw wgs he sought out and now as an ex punter he is in a relationship with me..a bbw with a big chest.

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If the thread is solely about physical appearance (and not personality or sexual prowess) then here goes.

Smile, sensual lips, regular teeth, sparkling eyes (colour not relevant), small slightly upturned nose, oval shaped face. Good complexion (skin colour not relevant).

Shapely calves, (not sticks, and not trunks). Not sure why but i love calves. 

Medium to large boobs.

Height up to 5ft 6. 

But i have learned, if i stray from my ideal, i can have just as much fun with taller women, or those with small boobs. 

Top attraction for me is always personality and the mind.

 

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for me from a purely physical perspective my ideal woman would be

tall  (5ft10-6ft2) 

big boobs

toned body

shapely calves

great teeth

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These are the type of girls I like.

Either long brown or black shiny and healthy hair.

Gorgeous face.

White and mixed race girls with beautiful skin.

Small waist.

Small to medium firm breasts.

Toned body.

Small, elegant feet.

 

 

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On 05/01/2016 at 1:28 AM, KayHerts said:

Mixed race people tend to be genetically healthier, and as such, may appear to be more attractive. Think of people like Keanu Reeves, Jessica Michibata, Beyonce, Nicole Scherzinger, Vin Diesel, Prince etc. etc. All very different, but a varied heritage often makes for striking looks.

As a child I used to think like this but after travelling and living in different places I still think that indeed mixing genes produces the most intelligent and beautiful people but no necessarily the way you described it.  Out of all the people you mentioned I only like Keanu Reeves as the rest are or will be ageing badly, unless surgery and all the rest will be involved.  Presently I am mesmerised how well tall, Nordic men age (or at least those who have this gene).

Prince indeed is a musical genius though.

 

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