oldjack

How selfish can you get?

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My current favourite Escort is a lovely Lady & I have lost count of the times I have seen her the past 2 months. I saw her yesterday & was amazed at something she told me. She said that a client she had seen once had booked her for a 3 hour meeting in London (his hotel I think). My Escort lines in Hertfordshire & therefore it meant she would be away for 5 hours bearing in mind the train journey to London and back. She accepted his offer & prepared for the trip to London. Two other punters had called her that morning seeking to see her. In view of her commitment to visit her client in London she told these punters that, unfortunately, she was fully booked. She arrived at her train station and was about to get on the train when she got a text from her client in London stating that he was cancelling. You would have thought wouldn't you that, at the very least, he would have phoned to apologise. This meant that my Escort had turned away business plus her advertising fees to A.W. She arrived back home obviously disgusted. She was operating from her home that day and does not for obvious reasons, like to take calls after dark. Not only was it a day wasted so far as she was concerned but it had cost her financially as well. Have you Ladies had similar experiences?

 

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That's why a lot of escorts request a deposit up front or evidence of hotel booking.

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Jack, it may seem selfish but cancellations at short notice do happen in this business. At least he let her know before she got on the train. If she had been on the train, then it would have been upsetting I agree. 

As for missing out on the turned down bookings, there is nothing you can do on that one and the trick is simply to accept it as part of our job rather than making it upset. 

I suppose this is part of the reason that I do not tend to offer outcalls, as if a longer outcall and it is cancelled you have missed out on a whole day's bookings due to the travelling time involved as your lady escort experienced.  At least when you are working from an incall place, it is easy to take another booking. 

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3 minutes ago, Pia said:

Jack, it may seem selfish but cancellations at short notice do happen in this business. At least he let her know before she got on the train. If she had been on the train, then it would have been upsetting I agree. 

As for missing out on the turned down bookings, there is nothing you can do on that one and the trick is simply to accept it as part of our job rather than making it upset. 

I suppose this is part of the reason that I do not tend to offer outcalls, as if a longer outcall and it is cancelled you have missed out on a whole day's bookings due to the travelling time involved as your lady escort experienced.  At least when you are working from an incall place, it is easy to take another booking. 

I agree with your analysis Pia.

Extrapolating from just one individual case is imo a mistake.  Over the years I've had to make a few cancellations, always for incalls, and I've also suffered from cancellations, in one case by text less than 5 minutes before the appointment when I was already parked up and just about to phone!

You have to take the rough with the smooth and as long as there is good communication you have to accept it, whether as a punter or a WG.

When I've cancelled it has always been with notice, usually a day or more, there was one time when I cancelled on the day as I was unwell and I'm quite sure the WG would not have wanted me to visit given how ill I was!  I always do my utmost to avoid having to cancel, but as Pia says it still happens, and for genuine reasons.

In the case of the WG who cancelled on me at the last minute, she got in touch later and apologised and offered a discount off the next meeting.  At that point we had yet to meet.  I did go on to see her a couple of times and she was very good.  I would have seen her more, but she lived in an area I rarely visit.

 

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35 minutes ago, Pia said:

Jack, it may seem selfish but cancellations at short notice do happen in this business. At least he let her know before she got on the train. If she had been on the train, then it would have been upsetting I agree. 

As for missing out on the turned down bookings, there is nothing you can do on that one and the trick is simply to accept it as part of our job rather than making it upset. 

I suppose this is part of the reason that I do not tend to offer outcalls, as if a longer outcall and it is cancelled you have missed out on a whole day's bookings due to the travelling time involved as your lady escort experienced.  At least when you are working from an incall place, it is easy to take another booking. 

Hi Pia,

Yes, I can well see that this is something you have to put up with but surely the guy could have rung the escort, not hide behind a text message? As you know, I hate bad manners & this is, to my mind, an example of this. I wonder what he would have said or done if the same thing had happened to him? I guess he would have issued a bad report on the Lady concerned. By the same token Escorts should, I think, be able to issue bad reports on clients who treat them like this. I suppose that the Escort's only remedy is to put blokes like him on a "black list". However, that does not compensate for the Escort's loss of income. My present Escort is a very lovely Lady who is as honest as could be & I really do feel for her. Anyway, Pia, good to hear from you again.

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This is exactly the reason I wont do an outcall outside of Milton Keynes.Last minute cancelations are commen. Its bad enough when you are in your own flat

 

Yesterday I had a half hour  no show, a cancellation of an hour then I had a guy cancel another hour 20 minutes before he was meant to arrive then I had an hour no show at eight and I had turned guys away from all those slots.

 

Yes it is selfish, yes I do block the no shows from any further bookings. The last minute cancelations get one more chance but if they do it again they are blocked too.

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9 minutes ago, Chloe Kisses said:

This is exactly the reason I wont do an outcall outside of Milton Keynes.Last minute cancelations are commen. Its bad enough when you are in your own flat

 

Yesterday I had a half hour  no show, a cancellation of an hour then I had a guy cancel another hour 20 minutes before he was meant to arrive then I had an hour no show at eight and I had turned guys away from all those slots.

 

Yes it is selfish, yes I do block the no shows from any further bookings. The last minute cancelations get one more chance but if they do it again they are blocked too.

Goodness Chloe I had no idea that it was as bad as that. I'm no saint but only once in my very extensive punting career have I had to cancel and that was with 24 hours notice when I came down with a toothache & had to visit the dentist to have it removed. The blokes who carry on like this probably don't realise just how bad they make it for us ordinary punters. Furthermore Chloe, how could anyone want to miss out on one of your delightful showers, they really don't know what they are missing!!!

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There's nothing wrong with sending a cancellation text at the end of the day he informed her he had to cancel. He could've been in an environment where he could not talk, or in a meeting so sent a text. I don't see that as bad manners, to me bad manners is when they don't contact at all.

I don't see why he would deserve a bad report for cancelling? He could've had a very valid reason, as you are a client it's not really your place is it. If the escort feels he was a time waster or has done this before then yes write a report. 

I'm an outcall only girl myself and only twice have been properly messed about where these two clients had me travel quite a way only to not answer their phones when I got there, I lost money, and time and it pissed me off and I made sure to report those, but these men were men I should've avoided in the first place the one had a few feedback to say he was a no show and this was in my newer days so I took no notice. The other kept changing the date so it was pretty obvious. 

I'm sure the escort you speak about is over it and making money from other clients, it happens regularly, unless you or her are 100% sure this client was messing her about and there is no valid explanation then I don't really see the point in having a go. Cancellations happen. 

Ive also had last minute cancellations but I can always sense the genuine ones from the bullshitters the genuine usually book again or I just have a gut feeling with them. It's part of the job, we get mess abouts all the time if we made reports for every single no show, and mess about we would be writing for a long time. 

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2 hours ago, oldjack said:

Goodness Chloe I had no idea that it was as bad as that. I'm no saint but only once in my very extensive punting career have I had to cancel and that was with 24 hours notice when I came down with a toothache & had to visit the dentist to have it removed. The blokes who carry on like this probably don't realise just how bad they make it for us ordinary punters. Furthermore Chloe, how could anyone want to miss out on one of your delightful showers, they really don't know what they are missing!!!

What  !   The dentist removed your cock  ? 

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5 hours ago, oldjack said:

My current favourite Escort is a lovely Lady & I have lost count of the times I have seen her the past 2 months. I saw her yesterday & was amazed at something she told me. She said that a client she had seen once had booked her for a 3 hour meeting in London (his hotel I think). My Escort lines in Hertfordshire & therefore it meant she would be away for 5 hours bearing in mind the train journey to London and back. She accepted his offer & prepared for the trip to London. Two other punters had called her that morning seeking to see her. In view of her commitment to visit her client in London she told these punters that, unfortunately, she was fully booked. She arrived at her train station and was about to get on the train when she got a text from her client in London stating that he was cancelling. You would have thought wouldn't you that, at the very least, he would have phoned to apologise. This meant that my Escort had turned away business plus her advertising fees to A.W. She arrived back home obviously disgusted. She was operating from her home that day and does not for obvious reasons, like to take calls after dark. Not only was it a day wasted so far as she was concerned but it had cost her financially as well. Have you Ladies had similar experiences?

 

Hundreds of times, looking back through my schedule when doing my accounts before the January deadline I could see just how many cancels I used to receive, which really made my heart sink. Since I went to outcall only, I've lost quite a few unreliables, I've also upped my screening/booking requirements, which has resulted in the cancellation rate dropping dramatically.

In the last few days a reliable regular has had to cancel just before I was about to set off, it actually meant I could get some other things done, but I was genuinely looking forward to the booking however I'm sure I'll see him at a later date.

You mention advertising fees, can you explain what these are please?

 

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3 hours ago, TightYoungEbony said:

There's nothing wrong with sending a cancellation text at the end of the day he informed her he had to cancel. He could've been in an environment where he could not talk, or in a meeting so sent a text. I don't see that as bad manners, to me bad manners is when they don't contact at all.

I don't see why he would deserve a bad report for cancelling? He could've had a very valid reason, as you are a client it's not really your place is it. If the escort feels he was a time waster or has done this before then yes write a report. 

I'm an outcall only girl myself and only twice have been properly messed about where these two clients had me travel quite a way only to not answer their phones when I got there, I lost money, and time and it pissed me off and I made sure to report those, but these men were men I should've avoided in the first place the one had a few feedback to say he was a no show and this was in my newer days so I took no notice. The other kept changing the date so it was pretty obvious. 

I'm sure the escort you speak about is over it and making money from other clients, it happens regularly, unless you or her are 100% sure this client was messing her about and there is no valid explanation then I don't really see the point in having a go. Cancellations happen. 

Ive also had last minute cancellations but I can always sense the genuine ones from the bullshitters the genuine usually book again or I just have a gut feeling with them. It's part of the job, we get mess abouts all the time if we made reports for every single no show, and mess about we would be writing for a long time. 

Yes, TYE., but surely he could have phoned up, albeit at a later time that day to apologise - even if he had to hide himself  in a loo to do so! Doesn't politeness and good manners mean anything at all these days - o.k. so perhaps I am giving my age away - I am not called "old jack" for nothing. This Escort is a really lovely Lady and deserves respect which she most certainly didn't get from the bloke who cancelled. Most Escorts put something on their profiles saying that they want their clients to treat them with respect, not that that should be necessary, but my lovely Escort didn't get any from this punter. 

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13 minutes ago, oldjack said:

Yes, TYE., but surely he could have phoned up, albeit at a later time that day to apologise - even if he had to hide himself  in a loo to do so! Doesn't politeness and good manners mean anything at all these days - o.k. so perhaps I am giving my age away - I am not called "old jack" for nothing. This Escort is a really lovely Lady and deserves respect which she most certainly didn't get from the bloke who cancelled. Most Escorts put something on their profiles saying that they want their clients to treat them with respect, not that that should be necessary, but my lovely Escort didn't get any from this punter. 

Calling, texting. He contacted her and cancelled, that is NOT bad manners. It doesn't matter if they call to cancel or if they text to cancel he still had the decency to let her know. 

I have cancelled over text before as I have been in a situation where I couldn't speak on the phone and I don't call my clients unsolicited, there is nothing wrong with texting to cancel, what difference would a call have made she would've still lost that business and still had to go home.

I get she's a nice girl but you really are taking this a little too far you are her client not her bodyguard or pimp I am sure she does perfectly fine on her own. Personally I would have an issue with a client speaking my business about another client who cancelled on a forum, even though you've not named names it's not your place to judge. 

He did treat her with respect from what you've said, he had the respect to let her know he was cancelling whether that was last minute or 24 hours before he let her know... Had he not contacted her at all or stood her up then I'd agree with you but I think you're taking it a little too far as it isn't your problem. I'm sure the escort in question is doing perfectly fine after being cancelled on and has probably forgotten all about it, you should too :)

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10 minutes ago, oldjack said:

Yes, TYE., but surely he could have phoned up, albeit at a later time that day to apologise - even if he had to hide himself  in a loo to do so! Doesn't politeness and good manners mean anything at all these days - o.k. so perhaps I am giving my age away - I am not called "old jack" for nothing. This Escort is a really lovely Lady and deserves respect which she most certainly didn't get from the bloke who cancelled. Most Escorts put something on their profiles saying that they want their clients to treat them with respect, not that that should be necessary, but my lovely Escort didn't get any from this punter. 

Hmm, yes and no. Sometimes a phone call over explaining things can be, on top of texts/emails and whatnot simply adding to things she has to field. I'm not saying that I don't prefer a phone call to a text conversation, because I do prefer a 2 minute voice call to umpteen or lengthy texts, however it all depends on the situation. I'd rather have a succinct whatever message, than someone overegging the omlette.

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I just wanted to add here that whilst life does happen, I've known clients who for years attended every single one of their appointments, without fail. I also happen to know they had various 'life' commitments, some involving families, some involving jobs/self-employment all the other stuff.

It's really interesting finding out what tips someone, and not another person.

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4 minutes ago, Strawberry said:

I just wanted to add here that whilst life does happen, I've known clients who for years attended every single one of their appointments, without fail. I also happen to know they had various 'life' commitments, some involving families, some involving jobs/self-employment all the other stuff.

It's really interesting finding out what tips someone, and not another person.

Yes Strawberry, I expect you know about this than me. My escort is on AW and I understand that they are paid a fee every time an Escort puts up the "available" sign , correct me if I am wrong please. My lovely Escort was available but of course, due to the cancellation, she couldn't see any one.

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28 minutes ago, oldjack said:

Yes Strawberry, I expect you know about this than me. My escort is on AW and I understand that they are paid a fee every time an Escort puts up the "available" sign , correct me if I am wrong please. My lovely Escort was available but of course, due to the cancellation, she couldn't see any one.

Yes there is a charge to say that you are available today, but why was she displaying available if she was already booked? Sounds as if this booking + travel would have rendered her 'fully booked' for most of the day, and in advance.

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So the answer to the thread title is what I thought it would be - punters can get a lot more selfish than this.

I too don't see that a text is so much worse than a call. The last cancellation I made was by message on here and allowed me to ensure I made the reason and my apology very clear (it was also before the appointment day).

The important thing is letting the escort know as early as possible though obviously the punter in question wouldn't have known if the escort was on the train already or not - she may have gone early to look round the shops or have a coffee, for example.

It isn't actually worse because she's your current favourite although it is natural for you to be extra upset that she has been let down and for you to say to her how sorry you are she has had this done to her.

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You have to remember that it is not always easy to make a phone call without being overheard!  In that case I feel a text is OK. Maybe a phone call later to apologise more fulsomely, and try to set up another meeting would be a good idea.

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7 minutes ago, erictheidol said:

You have to remember that it is not always easy to make a phone call without being overheard!  In that case I feel a text is OK. Maybe a phone call later to apologise more fulsomely, and try to set up another meeting would be a good idea.

I disagree with the bold bit - she's been let down and she probably doesn't then want multiple apologies - and he may well not want to see her anyway as the punter may have simply changed his mind, realised he didn't fancy her or managed to arrange someone he is keener on...

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I'm afraid it is, as others have said, an occupational hazard and part of being self employed. I get promises of work (not the sex kind!) that don't ever actually materialise so I feel the pain. One benefit of being a cash in hand business is you don't spend months chasing up unpaid invoices until you have to threaten to take them to court!

I suppose I've been lucky so far in that any cancellations of bookings I've made have been well in advance and we've rescheduled, and when I've had to cancel I let the girl know as soon as I know there's an issue, I've never had to cancel or been cancelled on due to illness yet, touch wood *fnarr

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3 hours ago, Strawberry said:

Yes there is a charge to say that you are available today, but why was she displaying available if she was already booked? Sounds as if this booking + travel would have rendered her 'fully booked' for most of the day, and in advance.

She was available until the bloke booked her for 3 hours.

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10 hours ago, oldjack said:

My current favourite Escort is a lovely Lady & I have lost count of the times I have seen her the past 2 months. I saw her yesterday & was amazed at something she told me. She said that a client she had seen once had booked her for a 3 hour meeting in London (his hotel I think). My Escort lines in Hertfordshire & therefore it meant she would be away for 5 hours bearing in mind the train journey to London and back. She accepted his offer & prepared for the trip to London. Two other punters had called her that morning seeking to see her. In view of her commitment to visit her client in London she told these punters that, unfortunately, she was fully booked. She arrived at her train station and was about to get on the train when she got a text from her client in London stating that he was cancelling. You would have thought wouldn't you that, at the very least, he would have phoned to apologise. This meant that my Escort had turned away business plus her advertising fees to A.W. She arrived back home obviously disgusted. She was operating from her home that day and does not for obvious reasons, like to take calls after dark. Not only was it a day wasted so far as she was concerned but it had cost her financially as well. Have you Ladies had similar experiences?

 

 

Yes have had cancellations, regrettably they do sometimes end up costing money by way of prep for the appointment/items purchased/time spent arranging/other appointments not accepted due to already being committed, if you let it bug you it could, I guess,  be quite consuming but in reality it really is an occupational hazard.

In as much as the cancelling client phoning rather than texting, most outcall appointments are conducted via email/text so cancelling by the same method is no different really, it wouldn't offend me.

I doubt there are many if indeed any girls who have never been cancelled no amount of vetting would ensure a 100% cancel free career and of course many that do cancel go on to rebook and all ends well, for sure there are some that don't, but matters not, add them to your shitlist never to be allowed  darken your doors (or backdoors if applicable) again.

Sorry it happened to your fav oldjack,  but if she's professional she'll get right over it real quick.

 

 

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Yep, to add to my colleagues voices, it does happen! With experience you learn to fine tune screening, trust your intuition and make decisions about asking for deposits or how far you travel. It's not always foolproof, timewasters can fool you and genuine cancellations happen. I'm sure everyone has had to cancel a hairdressers or dentist appointment in their time or a restaurant booking because of unforeseen circumstances- it's just the same for us. Shit happens.

A text is fine, I am appreciative of a cancellation by text a hell of a lot more than a no show! It hurts sometimes when you get a cancellation when you have rejigged plans or turned down other bookings (some women have a waiting list system) but you can't let it get to you or be stay angry else you'd go mad or end up bitter and twisted! 

Sometimes a cancellation is great though- someone cancels and then a favourite or lucrative booing way come your way you would have had to turn down previously or not been free to take the call. 

 

Jack- the client may have cancelled because some one was ill or had died or he had had terrible news or someone needed him. It'd be more selfish if he put off seeing a loved one in distress or not be there for a child so he could shag an escort!

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22 hours ago, oldjack said:

My current favourite Escort is a lovely Lady & I have lost count of the times I have seen her the past 2 months. I saw her yesterday & was amazed at something she told me. She said that a client she had seen once had booked her for a 3 hour meeting in London (his hotel I think). My Escort lines in Hertfordshire & therefore it meant she would be away for 5 hours bearing in mind the train journey to London and back. She accepted his offer & prepared for the trip to London. Two other punters had called her that morning seeking to see her. In view of her commitment to visit her client in London she told these punters that, unfortunately, she was fully booked. She arrived at her train station and was about to get on the train when she got a text from her client in London stating that he was cancelling. You would have thought wouldn't you that, at the very least, he would have phoned to apologise. This meant that my Escort had turned away business plus her advertising fees to A.W. She arrived back home obviously disgusted. She was operating from her home that day and does not for obvious reasons, like to take calls after dark. Not only was it a day wasted so far as she was concerned but it had cost her financially as well. Have you Ladies had similar experiences?

 

I don't mind if somebody cancels something and gives me some kind of notice....... at least she got the message before she got in the train, however annoying that was too.  I would guess even a client who would have to travel to see a girl and she texts him as about to step in the train would be upset, although he might need only a shower if that (could have a shower at the girl's place).  A girl needs more time to prepare besides thinking of all the other things she needs to bring with her.  Anyway, you would expect from a returning client to be better behaved.

Incidentally this is what happened to me yesterday: I had to run home as a maintenance man had to do some works at my place when one hour prior to his arrival he said he could not make it but later.  Even so, he was so evasive in his manner of speech, I had to pressurise him to give me a more definitive answer as to the interval of time he would be at my premises.  Even after the interval of time passed he did not arrive so I called him and finally answered the phone saying he will arrive later.  When pressurised again as to the interval of time I discovered he could not make it at all and had to leave it for another day.  If I was not to run home and drop everything else I was doing in such a busy day, plus being sick and with a bad back I would have understood........well, maybe not: after all, he let me down twice - and these guys charge quite a lot when they decide to turn up.  I was wondering if he was on drugs, as his manner of speech was very, very strange.  In any other business people would not get away with it, why do maintenance people do?

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21 hours ago, TightYoungEbony said:

There's nothing wrong with sending a cancellation text at the end of the day he informed her he had to cancel. He could've been in an environment where he could not talk, or in a meeting so sent a text. I don't see that as bad manners, to me bad manners is when they don't contact at all.

I don't see why he would deserve a bad report for cancelling? He could've had a very valid reason, as you are a client it's not really your place is it. If the escort feels he was a time waster or has done this before then yes write a report. 

I'm an outcall only girl myself and only twice have been properly messed about where these two clients had me travel quite a way only to not answer their phones when I got there, I lost money, and time and it pissed me off and I made sure to report those, but these men were men I should've avoided in the first place the one had a few feedback to say he was a no show and this was in my newer days so I took no notice. The other kept changing the date so it was pretty obvious. 

I'm sure the escort you speak about is over it and making money from other clients, it happens regularly, unless you or her are 100% sure this client was messing her about and there is no valid explanation then I don't really see the point in having a go. Cancellations happen. 

Ive also had last minute cancellations but I can always sense the genuine ones from the bullshitters the genuine usually book again or I just have a gut feeling with them. It's part of the job, we get mess abouts all the time if we made reports for every single no show, and mess about we would be writing for a long time. 

There is a huge difference between canceling and canceling at the last minute or at a time when you KNOW the lady will already have arrived in your town. That is unacceptable. As far as Im concerned this guy owes this escort that Jack is mentioning her travel costs.

 

I dont care if someone cancels by text or phone call so long as they cancel in a timely manner. If someone cancels last minute then I do give a second chance as its hard to work out who is real and who is fibbing but if they do it a second time then there are only two reasons I can think of

 

a) he never intended to arrive so is fake

b his scedule is so busy that he books "just in case he can get away" which is no use to me. I need definate bookings not someone hoping on a wing and a prayer. Those guys shouldnt book, they should wait till their window pops up then call some numbers to see who can fit them in because I see no reason why their business should be allowed to have an adverse affect on our business.

 

I know sometimes things happen at the last minute but not every time he books me. At the end of the day we have to balance our earnings against someones hopes and hope doesnt pay for our lives,earnings do. If someone who always cancels last minute is banned frommaking a booking they can still call and ask if im free in half an hour, its not a total ban, but I wont keep taking bookings only to belet down at the last minute. As far as Im concerned there comes a point when Ill just say "well sod your meeting,this one was arranged first".

 

 

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