Julesva

Are hotels brothels if used by escorts?

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I own a private members club and hotel that only operates weekends. I have had a couple of ladies ask to rent rooms during the week for a safe private working environment. 

If I rented hotel rooms to them, could the authorities class me as a brothel?

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I'm no expert but if you are knowingly renting to WG's then yes.

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32 minutes ago, Julesva said:

If I rented hotel rooms to them, could the authorities class me as a brothel?

Yes, your hotel would be a brothel if more than one prostitute worked there, even if they didn't work there at the same time.

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Another legal thread for me to make a fool of myself - whatever.....

This from the Crown Prosecution Service:-

However, where rooms or flats in one building are let separately to different individuals offering sexual services; it may be treated as a brothel only if the individuals are effectively working together. Donovan v Gavin [1965] 2 QB 648 established that the letting of individual rooms in a house under separate tenancies and to different prostitutes does not necessarily preclude the house, or parts of it, from being a brothel.

As long as the rooms are self-contained and lockable I would guess that they would be "separate tenancies"?

 

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are many hotels brothels.  many (I know) are stuffed with escorts doing incalls.

 

i think if the hotel was in on it and managing the girls its a brothel.  if the girls are independant of hotel management and each other, then not.

IMHO

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I heard of a case in Ireland where some girls were arrested for running a brothel in a hotel but I believe they were working together (not sure if they had separate rooms).  I cannot see the hotel owner getting done for it unless it surfaces that he/she was aware of it. 

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2 minutes ago, Pia said:

I heard of a case in Ireland where some girls were arrested for running a brothel in a hotel but I believe they were working together (not sure if they had separate rooms).  I cannot see the hotel owner getting done for it unless it surfaces that he/she was aware of it. 

?? cant landlords of rented properties get in trouble if they are aware their property is used for a brothel?

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2 minutes ago, Coventrypunter said:

?? cant landlords of rented properties get in trouble if they are aware their property is used for a brothel?

I believe so but I have never heard of it happening. 

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11 minutes ago, Coventrypunter said:

i think if the hotel was in on it and managing the girls its a brothel.  if the girls are independant of hotel management and each other, then not.

IMHO

I can't see Hilton Hotels or Premier Travel Inn getting done for  keeping a brothel. However, from reading the OP's post, it appears as though he's running a different sort of hotel ie. one that only opens on weekends. It sounds as though there's a big difference between a large hotel corporation and OP's hypothetical set up where he's been approached by the ladies and he's fully aware of the intended use and let the rooms on that basis.

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9 minutes ago, Coventrypunter said:

?? cant landlords of rented properties get in trouble if they are aware their property is used for a brothel?

Yes.

Section 34 SOA 1956 - Landlord letting premises for use as a brothel.

 

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23 minutes ago, Pia said:

I heard of a case in Ireland where some girls were arrested for running a brothel in a hotel but I believe they were working together (not sure if they had separate rooms).  I cannot see the hotel owner getting done for it unless it surfaces that he/she was aware of it. 

I can't see any reason why that wouldn't apply in E &W also, if the girls were using the same room or even rooms with interconnecting doors. In that case it could be argued that they were keeping a brothel.

The common law definitions of a brothel are very wide and there is no requirement for frequency in the 1956 Act so a single occasion could suffice.

Having said that I can't see the CPS running with it.

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It's so confusing....I am aware of what they do, but all I would receive is my normal room rental rate. I agree that travel lodge, premier inns etc must be aware of what some of their rooms are used for but have never been criminalised for it....there seems to be no definitive answer.

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25 minutes ago, Silverado said:

I can't see Hilton Hotels or Premier Travel Inn getting done for  keeping a brothel. However, from reading the OP's post, it appears as though he's running a different sort of hotel ie. one that only opens on weekends. It sounds as though there's a big difference between a large hotel corporation and OP's hypothetical set up where he's been approached by the ladies and he's fully aware of the intended use and let the rooms on that basis.

I'm a lady hotel owner lol

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1 hour ago, Siamese Tomcat said:

Another legal thread for me to make a fool of myself - whatever.....

This from the Crown Prosecution Service:-

However, where rooms or flats in one building are let separately to different individuals offering sexual services; it may be treated as a brothel only if the individuals are effectively working together. Donovan v Gavin [1965] 2 QB 648 established that the letting of individual rooms in a house under separate tenancies and to different prostitutes does not necessarily preclude the house, or parts of it, from being a brothel.

As long as the rooms are self-contained and lockable I would guess that they would be "separate tenancies"?

 

As you rightly say, Donovan v Gavin is relevant. However, I don't think that it assists to a great deal because in that case the Court of Appeal remitted the case back with a direction to convict the owner under section 34 SOA 1956 even though the WG's had separate tenancies granted at different times independently of each other with their own keys, and didn't work together.

The Court also said:   "Further, if the evidence shows that a house internally divided into a number of separate premises has acquired a reputation as a place of general resort by men for the purposes of prostitution with tenants of that house, then, whatever the separation of the tenancies of individual common prostitutes, the court should hold that the whole house or such part of it as was occupied by those women was one premises and constituted a brothel."

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the below is on TOP's sex law info section

 

Definition of a Brothel
 

In general terms, a brothel may be defined as existing where more than one individual is working together to offer sexual services. Provided that a prostitute is working alone in his or her home and is over the age of 18, this act is absolutely legal. If more than one person provides sexual services within that property, whether or not they are working at the same time, the activity becomes illegal. Therefore room-mates who provide sexual services from their home on alternate days may be held criminally liable. Also, if rooms in a particular building are let out to more than one person offering sexual services, this will be considered a brothel if it can be proven that the individuals are effectively working together.

A hotel in which more than one prostitute is working on a given night could be considered a brothel if it can be proven that the prostitutes are working together.

So, if the strict letter of the law were to be applied, a “brothel” would appear to be a “catch-all” term which would include not only conventional brothels, but also paid sex parties, duos, couples – 

 in short, anywhere where there is more than one person selling sex on the premises.

Indeed as a glance at Kelly v Purvis (1983) will show, neither payment nor sexual intercourse are requirements for a brothel to exist.

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Duck test applies then

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I studied "General Principle of English Law" for two years as part of a business course - I hated every moment, but somehow passed!

The lecturer would take great delight in explaining a principle and then, at the end of the session, would give us a true-case example and ask for the outcome. It was usually a trap - we were invariably wrong because there was always a tiny but relevant detail that we hadn't noticed that completely reversed all that we had learnt in the previous two hours.

Holden, his name was. I hated him and have had a degree of contempt for law and the legal profession ever since, although my girlfriend at the time (and who I am still in touch with 40+ years later) is now a legal professional!

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