DirtyGit

Tell tale signs a girl is trafficked or shouldn't be working

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Hi guys and girls,

This was inspired by the EE thread,

This may be completely obvious to some people, but I thought it would be a good idea if we had a thread that posted various signs that a girl may be trafficked, pimped, controlled or otherwise working against her will.

 

I've been tempted by various EE girls, but have always promised myself that I would NEVER have anything to do with that side of the industry. Particularly, I'm suspicious about Romanian girls who offer every service under the sun with vague profiles... but I'm sure there are many genuine EE girls who are independently and willingly working.

 

So what signs should we all be aware of and what to do if there is one we know or suspect is trafficked?

 

 

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I would hope that she wasn't a girl!

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47 minutes ago, DirtyGit said:

 

So what signs should we all be aware of and what to do if there is one we know or suspect is trafficked?

 

There may not be any signs at all, a smiling face, a warm welcome and a blinding blowjob is no guarantee she is willing to be where she is, as a punter we are unable to check her passport of her travel history, if she is paying her taxes or giving all her money to a pimp or a ponce, what you see can just be an illusion, what people want you to see so unless the lady is seen to be kept in a locked room then you may never see any clues at all.

All a Punter can do is keep the risks to a minimum as much as he can and select a wg that stand a better chance of not putting himself at risk of being arrested for punting a trafficked/controlled wg. Having worked in the industry for many years I now Punt with a strict set of rules that I hope will ensure or at least give me a chance that I am not contributing to statistics.

I no longer visit Oriental flats or visit Soho and massage/health centres,  I also avoid any places that have poor advertising. I also restrict myself to UK ladies and avoid anyone under 21. At least with a UK lady there is not going to be a passport issue, and a greater belief that she is working because she wishes to work.

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58 minutes ago, Strawberry said:

I would hope that she isn't a girl!

 

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I have one simple rule, I only see British girls. That removes trafficking out of the equation. Whether she's forced against her will? A scruffy council block would be a dead give away. All the girls I see work out of city centre blocks that are affluent and expensive, my gut feeling would tell me a pimp who doesn't care about his girls would not outlay such an over-head. Use your instinct and go with women with a good rep. eg a lady who is well known to be independent or a well known reputable agency. I do know that punters can be prosecuted even if he did not know the escort had a pimp which I think is unfair. If in doubt have the balls to walk away.

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As I understand it, trafficking can be within the same country or even county, and natives of that country. 

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4 hours ago, audioguy said:

 If in doubt have the balls to walk away.

Preferably full ones

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A short while ago I would have an in-call punt with a regular WG. I had an agreement that I would give a telephone call when I am at the station. I would be picked up. At the railway station I gave a call. She: "Okay, I will come to you with my car. Then we will go to the punting location." I: "Okay then." A few minutes she came, and she was alone.

During the trip to the location she said she had bad news. "I feel that a cold sore is coming up. I feel it in my lips. But I have arranged a punt between you and a different available WG. She has a very long tongue, and you may be interested in her. The rate is lower than usual, the same as you would have paid me: 200 euros for two hours." I agreed. And I certainly did not regret!! I will book her again soon.

The WG I had a punt with, was actually a known pornstar.

In this story, you can see there are some signs that the initial WG was not forced:

- She came with her own car;

- She said she feels a cold sore is coming up, and sex with kissing and blowjob would not be recommended. For that reason she can cancel the punt and came with a (very good) alternative;

- Earlier (not in this story) she canced a punt for several weeks, because she was wounded because of a preceding punt. She could not give services where her mouth and/or her tongue would be involved.

 

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So cancelling is a sign a woman hasn't been trafficked? How did you know the car belonged to her? She also arranged for someone else to see you, which is more or less control of another person aka pimping. 

 

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20 hours ago, JKay said:

I no longer visit Oriental flats

You are right to be cautious and of course if you have any doubts about whether the WGs are trafficked then you should avoid the place.

I do visit Oriental flats and have done so for many years. I have worked in Asia and speak a couple of languages so I can often chat to the girls, and the 'maid', in their own language. I have only once come across a girl who was not happy with what she was doing (so I settled for a non-sexual massage with her). I reported my concerns to the police (this was before the law changed making it a criminal offence to agree to sexual services with a trafficked girl - I would not do this now!). The place was still operating a year later so I guess I my concerns were wrong.

The girls I have talked to have made their own way to UK and are mostly here because they can make far more money in a couple of weeks as sex workers than they could make in a year at home. Some also see it as an opportunity to improve their English and to see our country as well. Most are not in the sex trade at home. Some of the girls I have met are shop workers and factory workers etc., but they have also included office workers and even teachers (one of who had been refused promotion because her English was not good enough). They often say they like working here because most of the guys they meet here are 'very polite and respect them', but there are of course some unfortunate exceptions to this. 

Even if you don't speak their language then you can have a great time with Oriental girls if you treat them well. I usually take along a small gift (chocolate is popular) and give them this at the start. If they need help speaking English then you should help them with this and it will also give you an opportunity to build a rapport with them.

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The Department of Health publishes guidelines to help staff identify trafficking victims:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/identifying-and-supporting-victims-of-human-trafficking-guidance-for-health-staff/identifying-and-supporting-victims-of-modern-slavery-guidance-for-health-staff

It's far from perfect ( I wouldn't use a false name as evidence of victim hood in our context ), but it shows that the government does give a damn.

If you're with a WG though and she tells you she's coerced, please report it. Don't leave it to the next person to do.

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5 hours ago, Strawberry said:

So cancelling is a sign a woman hasn't been trafficked? How did you know the car belonged to her? She also arranged for someone else to see you, which is more or less control of another person aka pimping. 

 

Aren't these things a little bit too far-fetched (I am not saying these things are not possible at all)? BTW, no money will go to from the WG I punted to her. The punt happened against a lower rate than she is used to. The WG that I would punt, told me the other WG and I were both in the position to refuse.

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Thanks for the replies so far...

 

JKay, it may be useful to go into a it more detail in the rules you said you set up for yourself (and anyone else)

 

Also would you say things like a verified photo on AW would be a good / safe sign?

 

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1 hour ago, DirtyGit said:

Thanks for the replies so far...

 

JKay, it may be useful to go into a it more detail in the rules you said you set up for yourself (and anyone else)

 

Also would you say things like a verified photo on AW would be a good / safe sign?

 

Yes and no, I've heard that verified profiles are bought, sold, passed on and even hacked via phishing scam emails.

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I know with EE girls, even though I mentioned in another thread that many Romanian girls have a controller (this does not mean unwillingly) that most of the genuine trafficked victims will generally not be advertised or be in the public. The genuine trafficked girls, whom mainly comes from Romania and Bulgaria, will be bought for around £20,000 and will be hidden to be abused within a community or being used as house slaves.  

The ladies from an Oriental background as JKay mentioned often comes on bonds and many chose to do so.

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On ‎28‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 4:46 PM, Strawberry said:

Yes and no, I've heard that verified profiles are bought, sold, passed on and even hacked via phishing scam emails.

This is why its important that when you meet a wg from aw that looks nothing like her profile pictures or when you arrive at her venue you are offered other wg's, walk away, log into your aw account and report it.

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3 hours ago, Pia said:

I know with EE girls, even though I mentioned in another thread that many Romanian girls have a controller (this does not mean unwillingly) that most of the genuine trafficked victims will generally not be advertised or be in the public. The genuine trafficked girls, whom mainly comes from Romania and Bulgaria, will be bought for around £20,000 and will be hidden to be abused within a community or being used as house slaves.  

The ladies from an Oriental background as JKay mentioned often comes on bonds and many chose to do so.

The worst situations happen underground, the victims are not advertised and punters will never get to see them, generally run by Chinese gambling dens with triad connections for the entertainment for the Chinese gamblers and the most difficult for the Police deal with. 

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DG excellent quedtion. Not sure it's been fully answered. I would be interested to learn what  members think would be the best legal model to protect the freedom of women who chose to work in the industry, provide escorts / sex workers with a safe environment, and stop trafficking and coercion.

For what it's worth, I am not convinced with some of Dave451 arguments, not sure you improve your English skills by learning what CIM and GFE mean.

Bongo, Jkay thanks for the posts, really helpful.

Strawberry, totally agree, being British does not mean you are not coerced There are also some strong minded, independent non Brits on the forums from Denmark, USA, and Russia. So it's not just about nationality.

I would like to think, that if I book indie  escorts with well written, intelligent, profiles, they are really independent. (). Also like to think the agencies which post on forums are reputable and their selection methods ensure their workers have chosen to work in the industry i suppose if in doubt just book the escorts that post on the forums

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Various posters have suggested "report your concerns" but have not said how this should be done.

 

My understanding is that Crimestoppers would be the route to follow. Am I right?

 

If not                where and how?

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2 hours ago, erictheidol said:

...My understanding is that Crimestoppers would be the route to follow. Am I right?

Indeed you are - unless you know someone on your local vice squad (or whatever it's called now).

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2 hours ago, erictheidol said:

Various posters have suggested "report your concerns" but have not said how this should be done.

 

My understanding is that Crimestoppers would be the route to follow. Am I right?

 

If not                where and how?

What evidence can a punter provide?

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1 hour ago, pabulum said:

Indeed you are - unless you know someone on your local vice squad (or whatever it's called now).

Don't worry, Pabulum, you're not the only old codger who can't remember what they call it now.

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4 hours ago, erictheidol said:

Various posters have suggested "report your concerns" but have not said how this should be done.

 

My understanding is that Crimestoppers would be the route to follow. Am I right?

 

If not                where and how?

National Trafficking Hotline
0800 0121 700

or online at modernslavery.co.uk

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Good to know how to report trafficking, but are there other indicators, other than those alreadt listed in posts?

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On ‎29‎/‎02‎/‎2016 at 6:51 PM, bongo said:

National Trafficking Hotline
0800 0121 700

or online at modernslavery.co.uk

Thanks for these two pieces of info. I think all punters should be aware of how to report concerns over coercion, trafficking etc.

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