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The UK decides to leave the EU, what will the impact be on prostitution in the UK..  primarily speaking, there are loads of vfm EE girls who come over to work in the UK, but I imagine it will make it harder for them if the Brexit happens..  if so, will this drive up the prices for English escorts as the supply side contracts?

 

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There are plenty of visiting and touring women who I would guess are not registered, and who will never be - unless the authorities chase everyone, I'm not sure it'll have a great deal of effect?Or is it affect? Too cold to think. 

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It won't happen. 

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The UK votes for Brexit.

The PM immediately negotiates for a free trade agreement. The EU27 says yes, but in return you have to allow free movement like Norway does, and cough up £2.5bn a year which is in proportion to what Norway coughs up.

The PM says 'deal'.

Prostitution carries on as before.

( Actually, there'd be a slight reduction in EE immigration of a few %, but an explanation involves looking at the incidence of the current UK net contribution on driving immigration )

Hope that helps. :)

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Bongo, I think, over complicates. The reality, I suggest, would be:

UK votes for Brexit.

Prostitution carries on as before.

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For me I would hope that if the UK leaves the EU there will be no automatic right of entry. However, many EU women will still come in as individuals. I would dearly like to see a significant reduction in the numbers of young girls (18-22) coming from Romania who I don't think are trafficked but whose lives and work do seem to be 'organised' far more systematically than individuals of that age are likely to be able to do. Within 5 miles of my postcode there are up to 40 young Romanians available on any day, out of a total of perhaps 50 women.It is having a bad effect on locals, several of whom have apparently left because they can't compete with the age/cost advantages of seeing the EU girls.

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7 hours ago, Strawberry said:

 I'm not sure it'll have a great deal of effect?Or is it affect? Too cold to think. 

Effect. Are you locked out of your house? Or has your heating packed up?

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9 hours ago, Carnival said:

Effect. Are you locked out of your house? Or has your heating packed up?

Lack of heating at the gym. Soon got warm a bit later.

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Probably the Swedish model is implemented regardless of exiting or not.

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15 hours ago, pabulum said:

For me I would hope that if the UK leaves the EU there will be no automatic right of entry. 

Why would you want for it to happen?

Anyway: even if Uk will leave EU, its not going to make any difference for other members of EU to enter the country. 

Fitst: UK still will be a member off EEA after BREXIT.  Same like other countries, which are not members of EU (Norway, Switzerland) but are members of EEA. Not sure about Switzerland though, but certain that they have same rights to trade on EU market also.

The only slight obstacle I can think about, its a viza requirement to come to UK for members of the countries which are not in Shengen area. United Kingdom, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia and Cyprys are in EU but not in Shengen). So any citizens of the above countries who want to travel as the tourist (not for work) might need a viza for UK. Same for UK citizens also, (if they want to travel to above countries as the tourist, and not for work or for study). 

Even if UK will leave EU (but they won't) they only problems to enter the county will be be for Romanians and Bulgarians only. (as well as for Croatians and from Cyprus, but  then there are not many girls from the later countries here). Still: once some Romanian girl uncle registered as self employed (collecting some waste on the street), as long as he arranged "placement" for her work, she stil wll have a right to come here. Even if UK will be out of EU, they still will be a member of EEA.

Pabulum: When you said: not automatic right to enter", who exactly you meant?

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On 3/2/2016 at 4:28 PM, MinxyLydia said:

It won't happen. 

What not going to happen?

UK leave EU?

 

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Don't see that it will make much difference. There are plenty of working girls here from non EU countries - Russia, China, South America to name but a few.

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1 hour ago, Xenia said:

Why would you want for it to happen?

Anyway: even if Uk will leave EU, its not going to make any difference for other members of EU to enter the country. 

Fitst: UK still will be a member off EEA after BREXIT.  Same like other countries, which are not members of EU (Norway, Switzerland) but are members of EEA. Not sure about Switzerland though, but certain that they have same rights to trade on EU market also.

The only slight obstacle I can think about, its a viza requirement to come to UK for members of the countries which are not in Shengen area. United Kingdom, Ireland, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia and Cyprys are in EU but not in Shengen). So any citizens of the above countries who want to travel as the tourist (not for work) might need a viza for UK. Same for UK citizens also, (if they want to travel to above countries as the tourist, and not for work or for study). 

Even if UK will leave EU (but they won't) they only problems to enter the county will be be for Romanians and Bulgarians only. (as well as for Croatians and from Cyprus, but  then there are not many girls from the later countries here). Still: once some Romanian girl uncle registered as self employed (collecting some waste on the street), as long as he arranged "placement" for her work, she stil wll have a right to come here. Even if UK will be out of EU, they still will be a member of EEA.

Pabulum: When you said: not automatic right to enter", who exactly you meant?

your basic premise is wrong.  we should leave the EEA and not be part of free movement

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Hi Xenia.

By 'no automatic right of entry' I mean that there will be no 'free movement' agreement. Entry would require a visa or some other form of deliberate approval. I hope this because it would be the only way to control migrant movement by those who have entered the EU from other countries and have (one hopes) obtained documentation. However, I see strong arguments for having the presumption that entry requests would be approved for those who have been citizens of an EU country for - say - two generations.

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On 3/3/2016 at 5:44 PM, tugg said:

Don't see that it will make much difference. There are plenty of working girls here from non EU countries - Russia, China, South America to name but a few.

I agree, at least for those who are here already.  The main difference could be if the alternative employment away from the profession is not available to some, and so they don't leave at the time they would have done if we remain.

Foreign students who work as an extra income will still be in the UK.

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On 3/3/2016 at 6:29 PM, Coventrypunter said:

your basic premise is wrong.  we should leave the EEA and not be part of free movement

If UK leave EU, it will be excluded from EEA. Nobody knows how long the whole process will take, or most likely UK might re-join EEA straight away. It could take 2-3 years for transistion and lots of negotiations not just with EU, with other non EU countries as well. (after exit). Impossible to know how its going to pan out.  As far as I know not any country left EU ever (or EEA), and if it will happen (it won't!) the "pioneering" of it, not going to be an easy one.

I did not had any premises in my answer.  Just was pondering about OP and Pabulum's posts.

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4 hours ago, Xenia said:

If UK leave EU, it will be excluded from EEA. Nobody knows how long the whole process will take, or most likely UK might re-join EEA straight away. It could take 2-3 years for transistion and lots of negotiations not just with EU, with other non EU countries as well. (after exit). Impossible to know how its going to pan out.  As far as I know not any country left EU ever (or EEA), and if it will happen (it won't!) the "pioneering" of it, not going to be an easy one.

I did not had any premises in my answer.  Just was pondering about OP and Pabulum's posts.

Greenland left the eu. If the uk leaves then I would think others may follow.

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3 hours ago, Coventrypunter said:

Greenland left the eu. If the uk leaves then I would think others may follow.

Greenland does not count, lol, as it completely different from UK.  Since its OCT of Denmark, and citizens of Greenland in the same way as Danish have EU membership.

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On 2 March 2016 at 9:12 PM, Bob the Builder said:

Bongo, I think, over complicates. The reality, I suggest, would be:

UK votes for Brexit.

Prostitution carries on as before.

So, Brexit would have no impact on the migration of prostitutes from the rest of the EU, even though for its supporters the supposed ability that it would give to curb immigration is a key reason for wanting to leave?

This shows that fallacy of the bre it stance for what it is!

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7 hours ago, Questor said:

So, Brexit would have no impact on the migration of prostitutes from the rest of the EU, even though for its supporters the supposed ability that it would give to curb immigration is a key reason for wanting to leave?

This shows that fallacy of the bre it stance for what it is!

Since that Prostitution not legalised industry, its not going to affect WGs from EU travelling here. They still not going to need working permit to "work" here after Brexit.

It will impact the rest of the bonafide legal migrant workers from EU. So no anymore Polish plumbers, Bulgarian electricians, Czech dentists, and Romanian laborers.

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3 hours ago, Xenia said:

Since that Prostitution not legalised industry, its not going to affect WGs from EU travelling here. They still not going to need working permit to "work" here after Brexit.

It will impact the rest of the bonafide legal migrant workers from EU. So no anymore Polish plumbers, Bulgarian electricians, Czech dentists, and Romanian laborers.

I imagine we will have  apoints based system.  if there is a shortage of plumbers, then a polish guy would get a work permit.

brits who are plumbers are struggling to find work doung plumbing because of over supply, and being under cut by immigrants.

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