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WeChat Scam

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Firstly let me say the vast majority of WeChat users are genuine and I have met some lovely people there, including WGs. However, there is a scam that has been doing the rounds of Asia and North America and has now arrived in London, so be careful if you use WeChat or similar social media sites to meet WGs.

A ‘young lady’, with very pretty photos, contacted me.  I checked the pictures on picture lookup but they did not register so we chatted for a bit. She told me she was a Chinese student and needed money. We agreed to meet in a public place in London, close to her flat she said, and a very reasonable price for her services. However, a few things in her messages did not quite ring true so I Googled “WeChat scams” to see what’s going on at the moment. The number-one scam is described in detail here, and lots of other places:

www.scamalert.sg/scams/alipay-scam.html

The scam works by persuading you to pay with a transferable, but non-traceable instrument, like a gift card, phone voucher etc. before you meet the girl. There also appears to be a salami element – a small payment at first then requests for higher and higher payments to move on the following stages.

Back to my story. On the morning of our meeting she messaged me to suggest I buy her an iTunes voucher. I pushed back on this and insisted on paying cash when we met. She gave me all sorts of reasons why she did not want cash: she did not want to get in trouble with the police, she only accepts cash from customers she knows etc. As the time of the meeting approached, she upped the pressure to agree to pay her with a voucher. She double the time we had agreed and even sent me a porn clip, supposedly of her having sex, to show me what I was going to miss out on if I did not agree to her terms.

Needless to say, she did not show up for the meet and I did not send her any vouchers. Although this may be a new scam, it has the elements of more traditional ways of extracting money fraudulently. Firstly, never pay until you have actually met the WG and you are in her place, or other place you have agreed. Secondly, if anything feels fishy then check it out. Finally, if it seems too good to be true (low price in this case) then it probably is.

Assuming this was actually a girl in London then it baffles me why she would go to all this trouble to carry out an illegal fraud when she could legally make money selling sex, but I suspect this was all a convincing front.

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Similar scams on seeking arrangement. Girl in South Africa seeking companion for when she returns to London. Pleasant chats over several weeks. Pictures appear to check out. then of course needs money for this and that. All ended very rapidly when I insisted on a scan of her passport.

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what the fuck would she do with an itunes voucher?

I have had these given as a gift and as we never download music digitally it's a fucking useless gift - you can sell them on ebay for half the whack but it's a lot of pissing about to make a few quid.

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1 hour ago, lancelot said:

what the fuck would she do with an itunes voucher?

You are quite right, if the girl really existed then she could probably make more money as an honest WG, rather than as a scam artist. Having read more about this scam, it is clear that "she" is actually a well-organised gang, probably based in Asia. Some of the writers on the scamalert.sg site report trying to use their vouchers very soon after sending the voucher details to the "girl", only to find the vouchers had already been used. I guess the gang either have a way of selling the vouchers (not necessarily iTunes vouchers) on quickly or they buy something that can then be sold for cash later.

 

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2 hours ago, lancelot said:

what the fuck would she do with an itunes voucher?

I have had these given as a gift and as we never download music digitally it's a fucking useless gift - you can sell them on ebay for half the whack but it's a lot of pissing about to make a few quid.

Indeed, anything goes.... or is possible with some people.

I used to know some girls who used to call clients 'looser' even before meeting them: I could not believe that some girls' brain works like that!!!

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Some reading this thread will think they would never fall for a scam; think again! Shortly after the scam, I heard a radio programme about this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b074vtc2

We are all susceptible to scams. There are certain times in our lives when we are most vulnerable, but even in normal times we have weaknesses (for want of a better word) that scammers can use to get past our defences. I guess a pretty girl at a reasonable price would work for many punters.

For the scam to work, it has to be plausible, to the target, from the start. “I am a student and I need money” seemed plausible to me. The scammer then builds trust over time but gradually introduces new elements that, by themselves, also appear plausible until they have you where they want you. They can then strike and either take your cash or make you do something you normally wouldn’t. For example, payment by a voucher might have seemed OK to me, if I had not checked for WeChat scams.

You might ask why I tried to go ahead with the meeting, when it was clear something was amiss.  The radio programme psychologist covers this. Once we are engaged in the scam, we really want to continue believing in the story, and this happened to me. I was determined to stick to cash-only but I thought the ‘girl’ might be real, we could meet up and we could go ahead with normal payment methods. In hindsight, this was unwise and I was not prepared for the level of psychological pressure ‘she’ was able to apply just through text messages. Fortunately, I stayed behind my red line and abandoned the meeting before agreeing to her demands. However, I am well aware that in other circumstances I might have gone further and been caught out.

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Not wishing to compare actual human women to inanimate objects but if you were buying anything else of value you wouldn't do it via some dodgy chat site or pay anything before you saw the goods (so to speak). Nor choose to buy a purchase like a TV or laptop without looking at reviews or asking for advice from someone in the know.

There are lots of ways to suss out genuine sex workers, it's not difficult. Why do sensible adult men become fools when it comes to getting laid?!

PS: There are plenty of decent genuine escorts who do ask for deposits for bookings, but again it's not hard to work out who is a genuine sex worker not out to scam you. 

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43 minutes ago, MinxyLydia said:

Not wishing to compare actual human women to inanimate objects but if you were buying anything else of value you wouldn't do it via some dodgy chat site or pay anything before you saw the goods (so to speak). Nor choose to buy a purchase like a TV or laptop without looking at reviews or asking for advice from someone in the know.

There are lots of ways to suss out genuine sex workers, it's not difficult. Why do sensible adult men become fools when it comes to getting laid?!

PS: There are plenty of decent genuine escorts who do ask for deposits for bookings, but again it's not hard to work out who is a genuine sex worker not out to scam you. 

I agree. 

There seems to be a lot of men recently falling for this "I need to pay for this and that" rubbish. Genuine escorts ask for deposits or ask for a train ticket for an outcalls. These women asking for money for irrelevant things are scammers, big time scammers. 

A lot of men think with their bits and see a pretty picture and suddenly forget they have a brain and get scammed. Don't give money upfront to random "women" on random sites! You'll know the difference between a genuine escort and a scammer I'm sure!

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9 hours ago, MinxyLydia said:

There are lots of ways to suss out genuine sex workers, it's not difficult. Why do sensible adult men become fools when it comes to getting laid?!

Because God gave man a brain and a dick... but only enough blood to operate one at a time ;)

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19 hours ago, MinxyLydia said:

Not wishing to compare actual human women to inanimate objects but if you were buying anything else of value you wouldn't do it via some dodgy chat site or pay anything before you saw the goods (so to speak). Nor choose to buy a purchase like a TV or laptop without looking at reviews or asking for advice from someone in the know.

There are lots of ways to suss out genuine sex workers, it's not difficult. Why do sensible adult men become fools when it comes to getting laid?!

PS: There are plenty of decent genuine escorts who do ask for deposits for bookings, but again it's not hard to work out who is a genuine sex worker not out to scam you. 

You are quite right Lydia, I should not have been taken in by this. Do take the trouble to listen to the Radio 4 programme, it gives a very good insight into how scams work - we are all vulnerable if the scammer manages to get past our natural caution. In my case the scam started as a routine chat between me and the 'girl' and it was a couple of weeks before the subject of money and sex came up as that was not my original intention (honest!!). It was then only an hour or two before our 'meeting' that vouchers was raised - luckily I had checked for WeChat scams by then.

I also agree with you that there are plenty of decent genuine escorts and I should have been more cautious before straying off the well-trodden path.  

 

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