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I wondered how clients and service providers alike now view the industry, how they use it and how they are countering or embracing the varied options out there?

One of our more popular ladies said she had been discussing this with her clients (I said she is popular, she actually listens to her clients!!). They told her they now have the option of agencies like ourselves, the various service providers on AW, Gum Tree etc and now were turning to Tinder, Plenty of Fish and other dating sites. In the words of several of her clients they said girls on Tinder, P'o F etc were basically giving away free sex. I would have thought this would carry a certain amount of risk, lack of health checks, pregnancy risk and rape allegations should it not go to plan. 

Would be interested in your views on this and any personal experiences good or bad ?

The other thing we have noticed is how the market is now at saturation point in terms of service providers but that easy access points like walk in parlours / agencies are on the decline. 

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I think a certain sort of man can get sex via dating sites, but I expect it still isn't easy for men who don't look a certain way- for free sex and with a massive choice of men on dating sites a chap would have to be reasonably attractive and eloquent to actually get a date/laid. 

I also think smart men choose to pay for sex to save themselves any tricky situations when a civvy women might want more from them or be indiscreet if he is attached. 

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My experience of dating sites 6 years ago for personal relationship, was that they were full of just as many time wasters, and very rude men as I encounter being paid for sex. 

Some clients have described various sexual arrangement sites as very hit and miss. 

I haven't sensed a change, and I'm still receiving plenty of enquiries. 

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Dating sites are not for me.  I see these sites as another complicated version of civvy dating.

Paid business sex allows both of us to know exactly where we stand.  Paid sex also comes with the added benefits of providing a decent degree of 'safety' (if the set up is used properly along with common sense), proper 'discretion' and no long term relationship commitment.  I can't get this anywhere else!

I use my favourite agencies in Central London and Manchester.  I would visit other areas for the right girl.  I use AW also.  All of this provides plenty of choice at the moment.

I'm not sure if the market is saturated or not, but I'd say if a girl provides a top service, then she should attract regular business.

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apart from very rare visits to Manchester where I would take the opportunity to go to one of the well known places in and around, I always see either regular or new indie ladies from AW. I do miss the simplicity and spontaneity of the walk in parlour though.

dating wouldn't work for me at all as an older guy not really attracted to women of my age

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I have found humour to be a great aphrodisiac and women have frequently stripped off, pushed me to the bed, and then undressed me.

However  it can be slighy disconcerting to find the seductive smile of my soon to be sexual partner turns to laughter once they've stripped me naked.

So far the laughter has not happened with an escort. 

So, I have no plans to turn to tinder. As quite frankly I don't need it. 

There is an honesfy about paying a provider. It is also somehow "naughty and illicit"

So long as there are quality providers, I will continue my current hobby

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I've spoken about dating sites with clients and most have not bothered with them. Many of my clients are older 35+ so not sure whether that makes a difference. 

I was on POF once, and Tinder, not really looking for anything but I like talking to new people, safe to say it's rubbish in my opinion and most of the guys on there (sorry if you're a member!) can't hold an interesting conversation for more than 2 mins. 

I spoke about dating with my regular before and he mentioned he wasn't interested, he's single but likes his life the way it is and chooses to pay for sex as it's no strings, guaranteed and much easier. Which I think is a fair point! 

I'm not sure about saturation to be honest, I believe if you're a good SP you'll get the business, I get a great amount and that hasn't changed so I guess it depends on the escort.

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1 hour ago, TightYoungEbony said:

I've spoken about dating sites with clients and most have not bothered with them. Many of my clients are older 35+ so not sure whether that makes a difference. 

I was on POF once, and Tinder, not really looking for anything but I like talking to new people, safe to say it's rubbish in my opinion and most of the guys on there (sorry if you're a member!) can't hold an interesting conversation for more than 2 mins. 

I spoke about dating with my regular before and he mentioned he wasn't interested, he's single but likes his life the way it is and chooses to pay for sex as it's no strings, guaranteed and much easier. Which I think is a fair point! 

I'm not sure about saturation to be honest, I believe if you're a good SP you'll get the business, I get a great amount and that hasn't changed so I guess it depends on the escort.

I sometime think my problem is that I prefer a good convesation too much.  It can end up taking to much time out of the hour (or two).   :)

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Only certain guys get for free. The same guys that have always got for free. Someone said in US like New York women are using it for hookups but here girls often want a certain type and use it for a free dinner when there broke with no intention of giving the guy anything. 

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Interesting phrase, "saturation point". Does it mean there are far more service providers than before? Are too many women chasing the same number of punters and that is why prices are stable?

I tried one of the adultery sites a few years back and it was a right old game of extracting money. 

Since I have zero self esteem and a massive negative body image, I am more than happy wrapped in the lies of service providers and their smiles.

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I joined Seeking Arrangements last year and it has transformed my punting. There is a a very long thread about it on another forum. I've not looked at AW or agency sites for six months at least. On SA you get a different type of girl, many are students, some are MILFs wanting fun and also careers girls who don't have time for relationships. Yes, there is a money element to it on many but not all cases.

I had increasingly felt I needed a connection with any girl I was going to have sex with. There were a few who became friends and we would meet for a coffee or lunch from time to time but in most cases it was "pay your money, do the deed and after an hour leave." SA has transformed that. I've met some lovely girls who have enjoyed spending time with me, meals, shopping, shows etc as well as sex and I've had far more fun per £ than I ever did with any escort. I've made some good friends as well and also been able to help a few girls with advise or careers.

The only downside now is the number of WGs getting on SA but they are soon outed and reported.

I can sum up the SA experience by saying every girls I've met has been enthusiastic about sex and wanted more. Every time I've removed a thong it has revealed a soaking wet pussy which is not something you can say about an escort!!

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I have enjoyed punting for nearly 30 years and it has been very important to me that the relationship / transaction is professional.  I can feel safe in a professional situation if its; one on one, duos, group or BDSM.  I do miss the parlours and the thrill of the surprise offerings, but now I am older I find pre booking suits me better.  I use agencies, AW, the odd independent I have got to know over the years, and sometimes parlours if I am travelling.  No way would i ever have wanted free sex and the feeling that I might be obliged to someone.  My only obligation in a paid encounter is to pay and follow the rules, I expect the service provider to do the same.  There is also the problem that at nearly 60 I wouldn't get to fuck the 20 some-things unless I did pay!

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2 hours ago, Pennine Rover said:

I joined Seeking Arrangements last year and it has transformed my punting. There is a a very long thread about it on another forum. I've not looked at AW or agency sites for six months at least. On SA you get a different type of girl, many are students, some are MILFs wanting fun and also careers girls who don't have time for relationships. Yes, there is a money element to it on many but not all cases.

I had increasingly felt I needed a connection with any girl I was going to have sex with. There were a few who became friends and we would meet for a coffee or lunch from time to time but in most cases it was "pay your money, do the deed and after an hour leave." SA has transformed that. I've met some lovely girls who have enjoyed spending time with me, meals, shopping, shows etc as well as sex and I've had far more fun per £ than I ever did with any escort. I've made some good friends as well and also been able to help a few girls with advise or careers.

The only downside now is the number of WGs getting on SA but they are soon outed and reported.

I can sum up the SA experience by saying every girls I've met has been enthusiastic about sex and wanted more. Every time I've removed a thong it has revealed a soaking wet pussy which is not something you can say about an escort!!

I would say this is more about the escorts you have seen and not every escort, nothing to do with you though! More so them. I am the total opposite and find it offensive when clients assume I have used lube, I never use lube, there are many many of us escorts (I've played with some) who get wet very easily, so please don't think we are all dry down there! :D

I agree in regards to SA, it's a great place, I started on there before I escorted, and have had a long term SD since. I think it's great to have variety, the guaranteed sex you get with an escort when you've booked, and the spontaneity of meeting a girl on SA! :)

 

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2 hours ago, Beast said:

I have enjoyed punting for nearly 30 years and it has been very important to me that the relationship / transaction is professional.  I can feel safe in a professional situation if its; one on one, duos, group or BDSM.  I do miss the parlours and the thrill of the surprise offerings, but now I am older I find pre booking suits me better.  I use agencies, AW, the odd independent I have got to know over the years, and sometimes parlours if I am travelling.  No way would i ever have wanted free sex and the feeling that I might be obliged to someone.  My only obligation in a paid encounter is to pay and follow the rules, I expect the service provider to do the same.  There is also the problem that at nearly 60 I wouldn't get to fuck the 20 some-things unless I did pay!

You sound very much like a regular of mine who's in his 50s he has the exact same mind set. And I think it's great! He says at his age he can't pull 20 somethings for free so he pays and he loves it! :)

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Had a quick peek at Seeking Arrangements and it seems a rich man's hobby. Perhaps if you punt more than once a month the figures might stack up

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3 minutes ago, Lessingham said:

Had a quick peek at Seeking Arrangements and it seems a rich man's hobby. Perhaps if you punt more than once a month the figures might stack up

Not necessarily it fully depends on your budget and what the girls are after, some may say £500 each meet, others may say £150. I guess it depends what you're looking for, if you want guaranteed free sex that you don't have to graft for and can just shoot off an email and arrange a meet then book an escort. If you want more "genuine" sex and don't mind chasing and chatting a little bit, maybe meeting up over a drink then go with SA. 

Or better still dabble in both! :)

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1 hour ago, Lessingham said:

Had a quick peek at Seeking Arrangements and it seems a rich man's hobby. Perhaps if you punt more than once a month the figures might stack up

No it's a lot cheaper than punting. I've had overnights for a fee many girls charge per hour. Other girls just want a nice evening out, wined and dined etc as they don't feel lads their age are mature enough.

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6 hours ago, Pennine Rover said:

I joined Seeking Arrangements last year and it has transformed my punting. There is a a very long thread about it on another forum. I've not looked at AW or agency sites for six months at least. On SA you get a different type of girl, many are students, some are MILFs wanting fun and also careers girls who don't have time for relationships. Yes, there is a money element to it on many but not all cases.

I had increasingly felt I needed a connection with any girl I was going to have sex with. There were a few who became friends and we would meet for a coffee or lunch from time to time but in most cases it was "pay your money, do the deed and after an hour leave." SA has transformed that. I've met some lovely girls who have enjoyed spending time with me, meals, shopping, shows etc as well as sex and I've had far more fun per £ than I ever did with any escort. I've made some good friends as well and also been able to help a few girls with advise or careers.

The only downside now is the number of WGs getting on SA but they are soon outed and reported.

I can sum up the SA experience by saying every girls I've met has been enthusiastic about sex and wanted more. Every time I've removed a thong it has revealed a soaking wet pussy which is not something you can say about an escort!!

If their PR team do not use this as a tag line then they need shooting. 

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2 hours ago, Pennine Rover said:

No it's a lot cheaper than punting. I've had overnights for a fee many girls charge per hour. Other girls just want a nice evening out, wined and dined etc as they don't feel lads their age are mature enough.

I've heard this too (reasonably reliably). There are all sorts in there, but it's not something I'm interested in,

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On 11/4/2016 at 11:03 AM, MinxyLydia said:

I think a certain sort of man can get sex via dating sites, but I expect it still isn't easy for men who don't look a certain way- for free sex and with a massive choice of men on dating sites a chap would have to be reasonably attractive and eloquent to actually get a date/laid. 

I also think smart men choose to pay for sex to save themselves any tricky situations when a civvy women might want more from them or be indiscreet if he is attached

Nice to know that some of us are at the smart end of the spectrum. If it goes on like this, we'll be the cool kids on the block before long,

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For a single man with plenty of time on his hands fine, go with God.  Knock yourself out.  For me, too much effort and way too much risk.  Give me a straight forward no room for ambiguity transaction with a well reviewed professional (or two) anyday.  NFW.

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On Tinder and similar, most of the women over 30 are not looking for hookups.  Also, online dating takes a lot of admin time and if you want to meet someone intelligent and interesting, a lot of time on correspondence to establish credentials with each other before meeting.  Yes, if you look great and are in your 20s, there will be enough girls who will just 'hit your bid' in financial parlance and you'll have a good time.  I've had two relationships from Tinder, and a few brief flings where geography intervened or it was the girl who was playing the field.

I have commented on arrangements on another thread (yes, my experience was also via SeekingArrangement).  The default 'expected lifestyle' brackets there go much much higher than any occasional punter would be spending, and there are some girls there who are specialised in taking advantage of men's trust - I don't just mean going to dinner with no intent of meeting again, which happens but is rarely boring if you've corresponded properly; in the end, taking a succession of attractive girls for dinner is something you have to be happy to do in itself.  I've never come across a girl who threatened to be indiscreet; they are normally studying or working themselves. I don't know how many guys really pay the sort of money in the top brackets; I imagine there are a lot of time wasters among the guys. Apparently several are on it because they don't want to think of themselves being with a 'prostitute' and keep stressing the fact to the girls (who might also have the same attitude). And some guys are trying to get 'something for nothing.' Only one turned out this way for me, and she is fun but comically unreliable.

There are good experiences to be had, but if you want to meet someone quickly and who will want to do all the things you want to do, go with an escort. For me, the best has been an arrangement with an escort, but not everyone has my attitude to non-exclusivity.  

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Haven't come across a dating site that works yet for men. As the fallout from Ashley Madison showed even so called kosher sites can be cons, It was worked that of the tens of thousands on Ashley Madison, there were very few "real" active women on the site.

I assume some of the swinger sites maybe genuine and get meets but for men its very difficult I think. The arrangement sites maybe a happy medium but the money being asked for is quite high

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3 hours ago, BollyWood8 said:

Haven't come across a dating site that works yet for men. As the fallout from Ashley Madison showed even so called kosher sites can be cons, It was worked that of the tens of thousands on Ashley Madison, there were very few "real" active women on the site.

I assume some of the swinger sites maybe genuine and get meets but for men its very difficult I think. The arrangement sites maybe a happy medium but the money being asked for is quite high

I have met people who were on swinging sites and according to what I was told swinging sites have their quota of TWs too.  It can also be very time consuming so the effort involved versus the number of successful meets does not necessarily make it the best way to proceed for many. 

 

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On 12 April 2016 at 1:25 PM, Pennine Rover said:

I joined Seeking Arrangements last year and it has transformed my punting. There is a a very long thread about it on another forum. I've not looked at AW or agency sites for six months at least. On SA you get a different type of girl, many are students, some are MILFs wanting fun and also careers girls who don't have time for relationships. Yes, there is a money element to it on many but not all cases.

I had increasingly felt I needed a connection with any girl I was going to have sex with. There were a few who became friends and we would meet for a coffee or lunch from time to time but in most cases it was "pay your money, do the deed and after an hour leave." SA has transformed that. I've met some lovely girls who have enjoyed spending time with me, meals, shopping, shows etc as well as sex and I've had far more fun per £ than I ever did with any escort. I've made some good friends as well and also been able to help a few girls with advise or careers.

The only downside now is the number of WGs getting on SA but they are soon outed and reported.

I can sum up the SA experience by saying every girls I've met has been enthusiastic about sex and wanted more. Every time I've removed a thong it has revealed a soaking wet pussy which is not something you can say about an escort!!

Agree whole heartedly with this. But as with any encounter you need to keep your wits about you.

Yes there are those seeking big money but they are in the minority. And  more then once I've had a girl message me that she likes my profile and photos and shall we meet to which I've responded that I'm sorry but you're well above my grade who has indicated that that need not be a barrier.

I've had an arrangement with someone since the autumn where help with the rent to the tune of £500 a month. We meet up as and when our diaries allow but seldom less than two full evenings a month. Not all sex but meals, theatre etc and text nearly every day. In my book that's value for money

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