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Wow, I had to nick a copy from the hotel. They put 5 pages in the Independent. It is a good read, and quite balanced. The final sentence says it all

Jacqui Smith's proposed legislation is meaningless - designed to make men think twice before calling a prostitute, but unlikely to register in the twilight world of traffickers. But then, legislation always comes for free, sex doesn't.

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Wow, I had to nick a copy from the hotel. They put 5 pages in the Independent. It is a good read, and quite balanced. The final sentence says it all

Jacqui Smith's proposed legislation is meaningless - designed to make men think twice before calling a prostitute, but unlikely to register in the twilight world of traffickers. But then, legislation always comes for free, sex doesn't.

Not quite true it must cost millions of tax payers money to debate and draft dodgy legislation, makes you wonder when the country is facing economic meltdown :eek:

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Thanks for pointing this one out. I've commented.

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Huge article in the independent analysing all the aspects of the sex industry. Has a comments section

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/love-sex/sex-industry/sex-for-sale-the-truth-about-prostitution-in-britain-1035038.html

A very interesting article, quite balanced in my opinion. The figures given for trafficked women of 4000 and that being almost certainly an under estimate make me think why we do not hear of raids and arrests on a more regular basis. After all the Police know where a lot of these girls work, Walk-ups, Parlours, Agencies etc, so what are they doing to stop it, apart from closing the anti-trafficking unit due to its cost. A very interesting figure was that in 8 years the Poppy Project has had 1000 referrals from the Police concerning trafficked women. Now, even one trafficked women is one too many in my opinion, but that works out at 125 per year. I would have expected the figure to be hugely higher, but that could be down to the Poppy Projects lack of resources.

I have been punting for 25 odd years, and i know upon speaking to hundreds of Wgs in that time, that thank god trafficking is not as rife as it is made out to be, but much more should be being done by the Police now, to stamp this evil out. I would start with Walk-ups, which i simply cannot believe are still about. In the 80s in Soho these were well dodgy then, but how do they survive nowadays. It really is not rocket science for the Police to find a lot (but not all) of these trafficked women, so there apparent lack of success really worries me. Are they actually actively looking for these women on a daily basis, i am not convinced.

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A very interesting article, quite balanced in my opinion. The figures given for trafficked women of 4000 and that being almost certainly an under estimate make me think why we do not hear of raids and arrests on a more regular basis. After all the Police know where a lot of these girls work, Walk-ups, Parlours, Agencies etc, so what are they doing to stop it, apart from closing the anti-trafficking unit due to its cost. A very interesting figure was that in 8 years the Poppy Project has had 1000 referrals from the Police concerning trafficked women. Now, even one trafficked women is one too many in my opinion, but that works out at 125 per year. I would have expected the figure to be hugely higher, but that could be down to the Poppy Projects lack of resources.

I have been punting for 25 odd years, and i know upon speaking to hundreds of Wgs in that time, that thank god trafficking is not as rife as it is made out to be, but much more should be being done by the Police now, to stamp this evil out. I would start with Walk-ups, which i simply cannot believe are still about. In the 80s in Soho these were well dodgy then, but how do they survive nowadays. It really is not rocket science for the Police to find a lot (but not all) of these trafficked women, so there apparent lack of success really worries me. Are they actually actively looking for these women on a daily basis, i am not convinced.

Have you actually met a trafficked woman?

I haven't.

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Have you actually met a trafficked woman?

I haven't.

No, not as far as i know.

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No, not as far as i know.

Lack of seeing traficked women of course does not mean it does not happen. In my punting I would not expect ever to see a trafficked women. Its the women and the punting type I do.

if I had started to punt in luton brothels with EE women, then there would have been a fair chance I would have come across trafficked women. That was what the Vice Squad man told me when I rang him a few months ago, and then we saw the horrific stories that came out after the court case a few weeks ago.

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No, not as far as i know.

Doesn't that make you wonder if they really exist at all, and certainly if there are more than a handful of them anywhere?

It's not that I don't believe criminals aren't evil enough to do it, just that the practical difficulty of luring large numbers of women (in effect kidnapping them) and then keeping them locked up in brothels would be more trouble than it's worth.

HH and the WI (doing her dirty work), as well as lazy articles in the media, all talk about prostitution in terms of the street scene or with reference to these elusive 'prison' brothels.

I have no real experience of the street scene other than what I have observed. In one city I used to park my car in a red light district because it was free and walk into town to meet friends for drinks, cinema and theatre trips, etc. On my way back I saw the girls but was only approached on 3 occasions as they tend to wait to be approached by the man first.

All were English and 2 had local accents. No EE girls there. Some I saw looked painfully young to be walking the streets. They may have run away from care, although this is only a guess.

It was always depressing to see them and to compare them to the ladies whom I had sex with in parlours and brothels and flats, but I think don't any of them even had pimps let alone traffickers forcing them out to sell themselves on the street. My guess is drugs was the prime motivator, but again this is only a guess and I wouldn't want to legislate and write articles until I had actually done some real research and got my facts straight.

I have done research into all the other aspects of the sex industry and have been busily fucking my way through the escorts and parlour girls in this country and abroad and I have found almost no evidence of any real ill treatment of prostitutes and certainly none of wide scale trafficking

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Doesn't that make you wonder if they really exist at all, and certainly if there are more than a handful of them anywhere?

It's not that I don't believe criminals aren't evil enough to do it, just that the practical difficulty of luring large numbers of women (in effect kidnapping them) and then keeping them locked up in brothels would be more trouble than it's worth.

HH and the WI (doing her dirty work), as well as lazy articles in the media, all talk about prostitution in terms of the street scene or with reference to these elusive 'prison' brothels.

I have no real experience of the street scene other than what I have observed. In one city I used to park my car in a red light district because it was free and walk into town to meet friends for drinks, cinema and theatre trips, etc. On my way back I saw the girls but was only approached on 3 occasions as they tend to wait to be approached by the man first.

All were English and 2 had local accents. No EE girls there. Some I saw looked painfully young to be walking the streets. They may have run away from care, although this is only a guess.

It was always depressing to see them and to compare them to the ladies whom I had sex with in parlours and brothels and flats, but I think don't any of them even had pimps let alone traffickers forcing them out to sell themselves on the street. My guess is drugs was the prime motivator, but again this is only a guess and I wouldn't want to legislate and write articles until I had actually done some real research and got my facts straight.

I have done research into all the other aspects of the sex industry and have been busily fucking my way through the escorts and parlour girls in this country and abroad and I have found almost no evidence of any real ill treatment of prostitutes and certainly none of wide scale trafficking

Having done volunteer work with street girls I found that most of them are drug motivated, a lot of them have someone behind them usually a 'boyfriend who is a druggie too. You won't find many EE girls on the street, it's too open. A good argument for openly run brothels????

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A very interesting figure was that in 8 years the Poppy Project has had 1000 referrals from the Police concerning trafficked women. Now, even one trafficked women is one too many in my opinion, but that works out at 125 per year.

125 per year exactly tallys with the CPS figures for October 2007 - September 2008 for prosecutions of alleged trafficking for sexual exploitation. The number of convictions is not yet known.

www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2008-11-13a.235542.h&s=prostitution

If Jacqui Smith genuinely wishes to tackle trafficking she should stop the legislation and other nonsense and simply get the message across to punters that suspicions should be reported to Crimestoppers.

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I would start with Walk-ups, which i simply cannot believe are still about. In the 80s in Soho these were well dodgy then, but how do they survive nowadays. It really is not rocket science for the Police to find a lot (but not all) of these trafficked women, so there apparent lack of success really worries me. Are they actually actively looking for these women on a daily basis, i am not convinced.

I wonder how difficult it really is to spot a girl working against her will if you are capable of focusing with your brain for a few seconds instead of your dick.

Most punters here seem OK with Soho walk-ups, but I have encountered a couple of clearly unhappy (and in one case clearly distressed) EE girls there in the days when I used that option. I cannot understand how a punter could actually go through with it under those circumstances. Nevertheless, the vast majority of girls there seem entirely OK about their work. Some of them even pretty enthusiastic…

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125 per year exactly tallys with the CPS figures for October 2007 - September 2008 for prosecutions of alleged trafficking for sexual exploitation. The number of convictions is not yet known.

www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2008-11-13a.235542.h&s=prostitution

If Jacqui Smith genuinely wishes to tackle trafficking she should stop the legislation and other nonsense and simply get the message across to punters that suspicions should be reported to Crimestoppers.

So even the official figures show a 3% odd prosecution rate, and thats assuming the 4000 figure for trafficked women is correct. Completely woeful policing in my opinion. I do not understand why it so low. Even targeting the more obvious establishments alone throughout the uk would achieve a higher rate. Apart from the odd raid here and there, what are the police actually doing to catch these evil traffickers? I do believe like many others that the government have talked up the scale of trafficking, to use as a tool in its quest to push the proposed new laws through. Even so, the efforts being made at present to stop this evil trade are a disgrace on the part of the authorities. What a useless bunch.

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