SashaB

Does Anyone Know What They Really Want?

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Its a strange question I know, but its a relitively straight forward one. With all these new laws, some very real, some threatened, some in the pipe line etc. Can any of us actually agree what it is that we want?

I have heard many times from those working within the industry that they dont actually wish to see the industry made legal. Is it because they think they might have to pay too much tax or just because they like the way it is now. If thats the case, what is it about the way it is now that we all wish to keep? or what would we rather see? do we just want to be left alone or do we want to see change for the better?

Personally, I would like to see the industry entirely legalised. I consider the industry self regulating on many key issues like trafficked women, under age, drugs etc. Boards like this just re afrim those feelings for me and its about time the government worked with us rather than against us.

I wish the government and alike would sit up and realise that we know far more about our industry than they do and its about time they started listening to us, but what do we all want?

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what do we all want?

Whatever it is, we won't get it unless we speak to the media with one voice and use a 'broken record' technique so that even if it doesn't get publicised the first time, it does the fifth or sixth time. Unfortunately when on another board I suggested that WGs nominate a spokeswoman (women having more credibility than men with this government), they all said that their children took first priority. :confused:

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If it was made entirely legal then there might be an influx of women suddenly deciding to become WGs. Depending on how much extra demand there was in comparison to how many more providers there were, this could be brilliant or disasterous for both parties: vast increases in demand would mean WGs could probably push prices up or at the very least pretty much eradicate lean spells (I noticed a few girls mentioning January isn't a good month the other day) which would be good for them, but not so good for punters; conversely, swamping the industry with new girls could lead to WGs having to lower prices, which would be good for punters and bad for WGs.

There might also be a significant change in the demographics of the industry - perhaps all those young girls who currently aspire to be the next Jordan or whatever would take the next step and become escorts, do a half-arsed job, before getting bored and doing something else. Or perhaps you'd just find every work-shy woman deciding to take it up as a career and end up lying on the bed like a sack of tatties and generally being rubbish. Either way, I could see the average standard of services falling.

That's me with my pessimist hat on - those same situations could very easily make for a lot of positives. I reckon it's fine as it is to be honest, though - legal enough that it's still easy enough to take up as a career for the girls or as a hobby for the men and neither party end up in prison; but illegal enough to stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from taking part and diluting the industry. If it does end up changing in legality status though, I'd rather it became more legal than less.

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... but what do we all want?

As a punter:

All I want is to click on a website, view some realistic pictures, read a list of services the girl is happy to provide, and book her at a reasonable cost, knowing that she will be there at the time we agreed.

I have had 288 punts and about 90% of them are good or above. I have had one punt where I suspected the Thai girl was not 100% pleased to be doing what she was doing of her own accord (that's 0.35%). I have seen one girl who was definitely on coke (0.35%) and another I suspected may have been feeding a habit. The modus operandi of my punts ensures a high success rate with excellent girls. I'm not bothered whether the face of punting changes or not. I feel it will have little influence on me. It is more likely to affect the service providers.

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I have heard many times from those working within the industry that they dont actually wish to see the industry made legal. Is it because they think they might have to pay too much tax

The thing about how tax and legality is regarded is all very strange, firstly prostitution is legal so taxation is a given, now if you are referring to the running/owning/managing of a brothel then I suggest that you go to the HMRC web site and search for "prostitution" and you will find, among other things, this :-

If the activities of a prostitute or any other person deriving income from prostitution are organised in such a way as to constitute a trade or profession, the profits are liable to income tax. This was confirmed by the 'Miss Whiplash' case, CIR v Aken [1990] 63TC395.

That covers a brothel, and just so that there is no misunderstanding as to what is or is not a trade HMRC quote the words of Lord Reid in Ransom v Higgs (1974) :-

trade means "..operations of a commercial character by which the trader provides to customers for reward some kind of goods or services"

so taxation on a brothel is also a given, plus the Polok case has confirmed that income from prostitution is VATable and a prostitute needs to register for VAT if his/her takings go over the VAT limit.

Anybody that thinks that because they own/run/manage a brothel they are not liable to taxation is living in a fools paradise, if a shop-keeper sells fireworks to a child he is breaking the law but his income is still taxable.

As to regulation, who in their right mind would want a bunch of morons in Whitehall to demand the registration of prostitutes (the very first precursor to regulation) so that they can "lose" all that personal information.

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I am registered as self employed and therefore have to pay tax,thats as far as my deeper understandings on the matter go. Im not going to pretend that im uber intelligent and keyed up on every part of law and taxation regarding this industry.I do feel that its very silly for the government NOT to legalise parlours and escort agencies,most of them are paying tax anyway and the powers that be must know that closing every single one in the country is impossible.It would take a lot of stress away from people who are simply running a business which employs willing pariticipants.On the other hand though,there is no way of knowing how deeply involved in the business the lords of the land would want to get,which could cause problems if they start adding additional taxations onto parlour/agencies and girls,prices would then have to either go up to cover it or ladies would start leaving if they couldnt earn enough money.Imagine if they wanted to start deciding on which services were legal and which not,or how many ladies a parlour could employ,etc.I know this isnt likely,but you just never know do you.

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Its a strange question I know, but its a relitively straight forward one. With all these new laws, some very real, some threatened, some in the pipe line etc. Can any of us actually agree what it is that we want?

Hi Sasha :D. As a punter, what I want is very simple indeed. I want to be able to meet a consenting adult and (in private) engage in sexual activities for money, without fear of a knock on the door and a resultant prosecution that may mean the end of my marriage, loss of my home and the wrecking of my career :confused:. It doesn't seem to much to ask for to me.

If the legalisation of prostitution could somehow involve the licensing of sex-workers so that they can demonstrate that they are not coerced, have had a recent health check and operate from a safe environment, I would welcome this. I am afraid that with the current government this is just a pipe dream.

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I think I have been mis understood. Im well aware the industry is liable for tax just as is any other business, however as has been quoted umpteen times before many dont pay tax on thier income or not as much as they should, I wondered if some didnt want the industry legalised because they thought it would become more transparent and they might have to start paying tax on thier incomes if they didnt currently?

What I was trying to obtain from the forum was a conscensus about what everyone wanted. Are we all aiming for legalisation and legislation? Decriminalisation? etc etc. If we could all agree on the best way forward we would have a greater chance of achieving it and despite us all being involved although of course in different capacities there seems to be a great difference in what everyone wants to see for the industry, some want more controll, tighter restrictions, some legalisation some just decriminalisation.

My view on further thought would actually be simple decriminalisation just as with any other legitimate business, bodies would naturally form to regulate the industry in areas where that might be required but would otherwise leave those in the industry to do what they do best without government trying to stamp its mark all over it

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Hi Sasha :D. As a punter, what I want is very simple indeed. I want to be able to meet a consenting adult and (in private) engage in sexual activities for money, without fear of a knock on the door and a resultant prosecution that may mean the end of my marriage, loss of my home and the wrecking of my career :confused:. It doesn't seem to much to ask for to me.

If the legalisation of prostitution could somehow involve the licensing of sex-workers so that they can demonstrate that they are not coerced, have had a recent health check and operate from a safe environment, I would welcome this. I am afraid that with the current government this is just a pipe dream.

Good post. I havent got what you have got to lose but i agree with what you say.

Time will tell but IMO it will continue to be a pipe dream with whoever is in government.

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That makes perfect sense. I find it crazy that you can legally have an affair where families and peoples feelings can become jepordised yet those who are (and I can see the pun) otherwise faithfull to thier life partners or wives can be persecuted like lepars, when in most cases where is the harm?

What about the girls though, how do the girls feel about the industry, what do you want to see in the future?

No matter how likely it is to be achieved it will never happen unless we can all identify what we want.

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a resultant prosecution that may mean the end of my marriage, loss of my home and the wrecking of my career :confused:

There are two issues here which you are conflating:

a) Re: prosecution - the legality of prostitution as a whole, or of a particular kind of prostitution in which you may participate. I think we can all agree here to call for the decriminalisation of brothels.. further organisation and regulation may or may not be a good idea.

:DRe: loss of career/marriage - the reputation of those who take part in prostitution because of the (real or perceived) moral standards of society. This can only be combated by such as Brooke Magnani and others who are willing to put their heads above the parapet and engage with the public, both on an individual and a mass level (i.e. radio/TV interviews).

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