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The Netherlands ban paying for sex

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All sex companies may need licences

Wednesday 10 December 2008

Visiting illegal prostitutes will be punishable by up to six months in jail if cabinet plans to reform the law on prostitution go through.

In addition, all companies involved in the sex industry – from escort bureaus and sex theatres to massage salons – will have to get an official licence to operate. At the moment only brothels require licences.

Local councils will also be able to say where and if sex companies can be situated.

The proposals, drawn up by home affairs minister Guusje ter Horst and justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin, have been circulated to police, justice ministry officials, the tax office and other interested parties for their comments.

The ministers say the new legislation is aimed at improving regulation, cutting crime and stamping out people trafficking.

The proposal does not include a rise in the minimum age for prostitutes from 18 to 21, but this still may be an option, the ministers said.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/all_sex_companies_may_need_lic.php

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This open strikes me as a sensible move. The Dutch have always been sensible and open about sex. They know that prostitution has been around for more than 2000 years- so they address the important issues such as health and trafficking and pass legislation to regulate it. We here in UK take a muddled approach partly because of our puritan background and partly because for political reasons. Harriet Harlot and Jacqui Smith want the votes of the Guardian reading feminists and want to be seen to be politically correct and caring. Consequently they propose high profile legislation that will do not a lot to stop trafficking but quite a lot to upset the Punters. Why not licence sex workers and brothels? The reason is that then you would have to admit that they exist and they prefer the myth that all sex workers are foreign, trafficked and drug addicted.

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if the WG isn't licensed...

All sex companies may need licences

Wednesday 10 December 2008

Visiting illegal prostitutes will be punishable by up to six months in jail if cabinet plans to reform the law on prostitution go through.

In addition, all companies involved in the sex industry - from escort bureaus and sex theatres to massage salons - will have to get an official licence to operate. At the moment only brothels require licences.

Local councils will also be able to say where and if sex companies can be situated.

The proposals, drawn up by home affairs minister Guusje ter Horst and justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin, have been circulated to police, justice ministry officials, the tax office and other interested parties for their comments.

The ministers say the new legislation is aimed at improving regulation, cutting crime and stamping out people trafficking.

The proposal does not include a rise in the minimum age for prostitutes from 18 to 21, but this still may be an option, the ministers said.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/12/all_sex_companies_may_need_lic.php

I think that is eminently sensible, a licensing system is already in place for brothels, to make it mandatory benefits both customers and workers.

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This open strikes me as a sensible move. The Dutch have always been sensible and open about sex. They know that prostitution has been around for more than 2000 years- so they address the important issues such as health and trafficking and pass legislation to regulate it. We here in UK take a muddled approach partly because of our puritan background and partly because for political reasons. Harriet Harlot and Jacqui Smith want the votes of the Guardian reading feminists and want to be seen to be politically correct and caring. Consequently they propose high profile legislation that will do not a lot to stop trafficking but quite a lot to upset the Punters. Why not licence sex workers and brothels? The reason is that then you would have to admit that they exist and they prefer the myth that all sex workers are foreign, trafficked and drug addicted.

Why only 2000 years? is it something to do with Jesus. It seems a good idea of the Dutch to do that. That means you just ask to see the licence before you shag her. I think the girls who are legal, and in Holland that means pay tax.... already have ID cards showing the are prostitutes. Its just a job and the government want the tax..

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So the Netherlands aren't in fact banning paid sex... so why the sensationalist subject?

As others have pointed out licensing is an eminently sensible move (and if you read your own post you'll notice that brothels currently have to be licensed so it's not even news), and one that many punters, wgs and others in the industry would actually welcome.

:rolleyes:

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So the Netherlands aren't in fact banning paid sex... so why the sensationalist subject?

As others have pointed out licensing is an eminently sensible move (and if you read your own post you'll notice that brothels currently have to be licensed so it's not even news), and one that many punters, wgs and others in the industry would actually welcome.

:rolleyes:

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the WGs do NOT like to be registered, many girls in the Netherlands work from Belgium to avoid that, only a tiny handful has registered in Germany.

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I am very much of the opinion that making WGs register, obtain licences or otherwise officially get labelled as a prositute is a bad idea.

Given that there is always going to be a large section of the population that wishes to stigmatise the individual prostitute I see it as just a 21st C version of the Elizabethan branding a W on the check.

Most women slide between the "straight" life and working as cicumstances dictate. Many have normal jobs but supplement poor pay or meet family commitments on the side.

Very few regard prostitution as a career and even fewer seem able to cope with it long term.

Making women register is just telling them to label themselves. How long before a CD with the names and addresses of a region's WGs is found in taxi?

by all means regulate & licence the agencies & parlours, but keep it informal for the women.

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It sounds eminently sensible in theory, but given the Netherlands is currently governed by a coalition of the right-wing Christian Democratic Alliance and the increasingly Blairite "Pvda" I am extremely sceptical that it will be as eminently sensible as it sounds when put into practice. These are the last people I would trust to implement such a scheme sensibly. Time will tell.

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Amsterdam, Holland: Prostitutes plan to fight back

Amsterdam is planning to cut the number of brothels within its famous red light district by half, as well as close many of the city's cannabis coffee shops in an effort to clean up its image, and it should come as no surprise that not everyone is happy with the plans.

Already a number of civil rights and liberal groups are planning to support the working girls in their fight to oppose the closures. 'This has to do with Bible-bashers in government' a reference to the Christian Democrat party that are part of Holland's ruling coalition '

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page888881.php

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I am very much of the opinion that making WGs register, obtain licences or otherwise officially get labelled as a prositute is a bad idea.

Given that there is always going to be a large section of the population that wishes to stigmatise the individual prostitute I see it as just a 21st C version of the Elizabethan branding a W on the check.

Most women slide between the "straight" life and working as cicumstances dictate. Many have normal jobs but supplement poor pay or meet family commitments on the side.

Very few regard prostitution as a career and even fewer seem able to cope with it long term.

Making women register is just telling them to label themselves. How long before a CD with the names and addresses of a region's WGs is found in taxi?

by all means regulate & licence the agencies & parlours, but keep it informal for the women.

Agree with akaNos.

A licensed WG will be stigmatized. imagine filling in forms with your occupation.

Mobile hairdresser is much more acceptable occupation.

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There is no need to have the old idea of a 'known prostitute' brought back in. This is demeaning.

Anyway I assume women would give alternative names for the register.

Licence brothels and then the illegal ones that have trafficked women in them will dispappear or be raided and closed down.

This way the business is kept clean and sensible.

making the business more and more illegal really does feed the criminal gangs .

Look at prohibition of alcohol in America. Brothels in uk would become fuck-easy's

To sort the disgusting trade of trafficking, licensed brothels is the only rational way.

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