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Vera Baird wants to ban advertising

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Excellent news!!! Perhaps at long last newspapers will have the incentive to stand up and be counted and so give some balance to this debate, rather than generally just being the mouthpiece for elements of the government and their activists.

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Perhaps Julie and her friends will note that the comments to her artice overwhelmingly trashed her thesis. It seems Guardian readers have woken up to the lies a propaganda this government have been issuing about the sex industry.

If Julie, and her cronies, really want to protect exploited and traffiked women (and men) in the sex industy then they should support a licensing system, rather than an ill thought out measure that will only do more drive the industry underground and make sex workers more vulnerable to exploitation and risk.

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Perhaps the most notable thing about Bindel's latest is that she, of all people, seems to accept that only "some" of the women are trafficked. Rather different from the line taken by Baird, Harman & co that most of them "must be" trafficked.

But good to see her getting another monumental kicking in the comments.

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She's pally with them on this one. Not so sure they'd see eye to eye on abortion. An alliance of convenience only.

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Perhaps Julie and her friends will note that the comments to her artice overwhelmingly trashed her thesis

Indeed, excellent stuff. I think I recognised one of our own PN posters among them (by the writing style).

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Indeed, excellent stuff. I think I recognised one of our own PN posters among them (by the writing style).

i join in and post on the gruniad using the same user name as on here although i have now been put on pre mod just because i mentioned that ireland should be trying to ban paedophile priests in the religious industry

(there was a big cover up in ireland re paedophile priests)

oh, as well,i happend to call julie bindels gang-the british union of feminazis!

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i join in and post on the gruniad using the same user name as on here although i have now been put on pre mod just because i mentioned that ireland should be trying to ban paedophile priests in the religious industry

(there was a big cover up in ireland re paedophile priests)

oh, as well,i happend to call julie bindels gang-the british union of feminazis!

I agree with you about the covered up abuse in the fantasy world of catholicism, people who live in this fantasy world along with politicians can do as they please, steal, abuse, please themsleves without redress. Hypocrasy.

Become a catholic priest, then you will have no need to punt, just take your pick from your female "flock" visit their home have a nice chat, a nice cup of tea, a nice "religious" cuddle and spend hours giving her a child from jesus - simples.

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i join in and post on the gruniad using the same user name as on here

I didn't mean you. But well done, all the same..

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I agree with you about the covered up abuse in the fantasy world of catholicism, people who live in this fantasy world along with politicians can do as they please, steal, abuse, please themsleves without redress. Hypocrasy.

Become a catholic priest, then you will have no need to punt, just take your pick from your female "flock" visit their home have a nice chat, a nice cup of tea, a nice "religious" cuddle and spend hours giving her a child from jesus - simples.

I do think you are being a little bit sweeping in your statements here. As with any collective group there will be bad as well as good amongst them, think of police, politicians, punters, priests etc.

It is a cheap shot to denigrate a whole segment of society through the improper actions of a few from within that group imo. That after all is precisely what our political enemies are trying to do to us, aided by bogus statistics and made up "facts".

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I do think you are being a little bit sweeping in your statements here. As with any collective group there will be bad as well as good amongst them, think of police, politicians, punters, priests etc.

It is a cheap shot to denigrate a whole segment of society through the improper actions of a few from within that group imo. That after all is precisely what our political enemies are trying to do to us, aided by bogus statistics and made up "facts".

Well said Vicar....

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I do think you are being a little bit sweeping in your statements here. As with any collective group there will be bad as well as good amongst them, think of police, politicians, punters, priests etc.

It is a cheap shot to denigrate a whole segment of society through the improper actions of a few from within that group imo. That after all is precisely what our political enemies are trying to do to us, aided by bogus statistics and made up "facts".

that's kind of what coin does. He's a troll who likes to make hugely argumentative and sweeping statements.

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Written answers and statements, 10 February 2010

Nigel Evans (Ribble Valley, Conservative)

To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department whether he has made an estimate of the number of people who regularly use internet sites to solicit prostitutes; whether he has plans to seek to prevent the use of the internet for such purposes; and if he will make a statement

Alan Campbell (Parliamentary Under-Secretary, Home Office; Tynemouth, Labour)

In September 2009, the Minister for Women and Equality wrote to the Governor and the Attorney General of California to outline the Government's concerns regarding a particular website believed to be hosted in California.

We want see sites like it closed down and are exploring the options for what can be done and the merits in approaches taken in other jurisdictions.

As part of the Violence Against Women Strategy, published in November 2009, the Government have also made a commitment to explore what action can be taken to challenge the advertising of prostitution.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans/?id=2010-02-10a.316077.h&s=prostitution#g316077.r0

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All rather disturbing in my opinion. Further erosion of free speech in this country for a legal occupation and pass time.

I agree PN probably cannot be closed, but could the be added to remit of the IWF ban list forcing ISPs to block the site. I know there are ways round banned sites using VPNs and proxy servers, but for the average user thats going to be rather difficult. Maybe Google could come to the rescue and stop Governments from this type of censorship.

PN and the other sites are not so much of a concern, but rather all the directories, agency sites that are hosted in the UK, and even those not hosted in the UK, but run by UK residents. This could be a disaster for the escort community.

Why is the Conservative MP from Ribble asking these questions. Is he a member of the hand and flog all punters and escort brigade?

I despair.

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Like most 'promises' from Polititians this is a load of bowlocks - she'll call for PN to be banned and then go "oh it's such a shame, I tried to get rid of this nasty website but it's in California and those horrid Americans have told me to 'foxtrot oscar'"

Grandstanding writ large.

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At the risk of insulting all dog owners on here, she is not as intelligent as a cat owner. The research from Bristol University has proven that cats are the preferred pet over dogs for intelligent people.

On a straw poll of escorts I know, most who I have asked or have written about about their pets are cat owners.

Therefore my research, and reading of the Bristol university research in the papers, proves to me and everyone that escorts are far more intelligent than Vera Baird a dog owner. This fact must be correct and indisputable.

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Why is the Conservative MP from Ribble asking these questions. Is he a member of the hand and flog all punters and escort brigade?

He may be one of these awful evangelicals who are more prominent in the Conservatives than Mr Blameron likes to pretend. But on the other hand he may have asked the question merely so as to set a trap for the Minister. He should be given an opportunity to explain himself. Maybe someone who lives in his constituency could ask him? :)

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All rather disturbing in my opinion. Further erosion of free speech in this country for a legal occupation and pass time.

I agree PN probably cannot be closed, but could the be added to remit of the IWF ban list forcing ISPs to block the site. I know there are ways round banned sites using VPNs and proxy servers, but for the average user thats going to be rather difficult. Maybe Google could come to the rescue and stop Governments from this type of censorship.

PN and the other sites are not so much of a concern, but rather all the directories, agency sites that are hosted in the UK, and even those not hosted in the UK, but run by UK residents. This could be a disaster for the escort community.

Why is the Conservative MP from Ribble asking these questions. Is he a member of the hand and flog all punters and escort brigade?

I despair.

PN couldn't be closed as it's hosted abroad. Adding it to the IWF list would be a non-starter too, as the IWF are concerned with child pornography sites i.e website which are globally illegal and universally abhorred, and the list is voluntary - there are (or at least were) a few ISPs who weren't using it, so asking ISPs to block PN won't get very far.

Also banning men from soliciting online would be futile as I don't solicit online and I'm fairly sure most of us on here don't either. The WOMEN do, but all I do is pick up the phone and ring an agency or girl direct in response to their advert. Or perhaps send an email which is equally private even if it is over the internet. They couldn't outlaw that without banning prostitution entirely which they haven't got the backing for (or they'd have already done it with clause 14 since that's what JS and HH wanted).

An advertising ban like in Ireland couldn't get the support imho. They only got clause 14 through because it was worded as "forced, coerced etc."

"control for gain" was removed precisely because of the fact most in parliament have nothing against prostitution per se. So banning adverts for it will never pass muster especially now that the trafficking stats have been blown out the water. Denis MacShane and Fiona MacTaggart can no longer get on their soap box and talk about 25,000 trafficked women etc.etc. and horrify others into thinking something needs to be done drastically.

And they won't have the parliamentary majority for years and years. Best case scenario for them is a hung parliament for a few years and then, perhaps, a narrow majority. The Conservatives seem to be largely opposed to this sort of legislation, as do the Lib Dems.

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At the risk of insulting all dog owners on here, she is not as intelligent as a cat owner. The research from Bristol University has proven that cats are the preferred pet over dogs for intelligent people.

On a straw poll of escorts I know, most who I have asked or have written about about their pets are cat owners.

Therefore my research, and reading of the Bristol university research in the papers, proves to me and everyone that escorts are far more intelligent than Vera Baird a dog owner. This fact must be correct and indisputable.

Proud to be a multiple cat owner :):)

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PN couldn't be closed as it's hosted abroad. Adding it to the IWF list would be a non-starter too, as the IWF are concerned with child pornography sites i.e website which are globally illegal and universally abhorred, and the list is voluntary - there are (or at least were) a few ISPs who weren't using it, so asking ISPs to block PN won't get very far.

Also banning men from soliciting online would be futile as I don't solicit online and I'm fairly sure most of us on here don't either. The WOMEN do, but all I do is pick up the phone and ring an agency or girl direct in response to their advert. Or perhaps send an email which is equally private even if it is over the internet. They couldn't outlaw that without banning prostitution entirely which they haven't got the backing for (or they'd have already done it with clause 14 since that's what JS and HH wanted).

An advertising ban like in Ireland couldn't get the support imho. They only got clause 14 through because it was worded as "forced, coerced etc."

"control for gain" was removed precisely because of the fact most in parliament have nothing against prostitution per se. So banning adverts for it will never pass muster especially now that the trafficking stats have been blown out the water. Denis MacShane and Fiona MacTaggart can no longer get on their soap box and talk about 25,000 trafficked women etc.etc. and horrify others into thinking something needs to be done drastically.

And they won't have the parliamentary majority for years and years. Best case scenario for them is a hung parliament for a few years and then, perhaps, a narrow majority. The Conservatives seem to be largely opposed to this sort of legislation, as do the Lib Dems.

wasn't a big problem to convince newspapers to stop taking ads..

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wasn't a big problem to convince newspapers to stop taking ads..

My local does take ads. Crystal advertises in it. Though the ads are now very discrete.

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wasn't a big problem to convince newspapers to stop taking ads..

yes but leaning on some minor local paper is different to asking parliament to make it a criminal offence, which is what I was talking about. Also there's plenty who still do take adverts and rely on it for their income. Sport newspaper and Loot are two that come to mind who have large sections devoted to escorts etc. Plenty of small local rags I still see around with massage type ads which are clearly brothels.

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Guardian Media Group (whose papers wouldn't take escorts adverts) has apparently just sold a lot of local papers to Trinity Mirror. No idea if this will lead to any change.

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yes but leaning on some minor local paper is different to asking parliament to make it a criminal offence, which is what I was talking about. Also there's plenty who still do take adverts and rely on it for their income. Sport newspaper and Loot are two that come to mind who have large sections devoted to escorts etc. Plenty of small local rags I still see around with massage type ads which are clearly brothels.

The problem was tho' they didn't have to lean on minor local papers individually as most of them are owned by Johnstone Press plc. These are generally the limited circulation local papers where WG's would advertise for greatest effect. By getting JP to refuse personal services ads they killed one hell of a lot. Wonder how much revenue they are loosing ?

here's the list http://www.londonfreelance.org/rates/titles/_johnsto.html

effin hundreds of 'em !

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