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My first Thread, If there is no C, Ahas nothing to fear.

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It looks like the new bill even if it comes in to law will not change much for most punters or girls.

The law says that for A to be guilty of an offense, Person C must exist and It seems that the police will need to prove C exists. That means that only where C is found guilty first can A person be prosecuted.

We are still checking through it but it looks like unless the existence of a pimp or contoller is proven A cannot be found guilty. That does not stop A the punter being arrested and that I think is the most useful thing other than the closure orders this bill gives the police.

A should be able to ask for the proof of person C. It seems hard to imagine a court case where A is not in the dock along with C and B is just a witness. And us girls are not likely to be willing witnesses in most cases. So have a good Christmas and happy punting in the new year.

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Jenny,

Look at the other sections of the bill. A senior police officer can close a 'brothel' down if he feels like it:

"For the purposes of the second condition, it does not matter whether

the officer believes that the offence or offences in question have been

committed or that they will be committed".

(The second condition is the key one).

Also, Working Girls are going to be forced to meet with do-gooder social workers so they can be 'Rehabilitated'. I might offer a small prize to the WG who manages to turn the meeting around and pursuade the social worker to become a WG!

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It looks like the new bill even if it comes in to law will not change much for most punters or girls.

Certainnly for indies that's true as the authorities won't know whats going on behind closed doors and will care even less.

I don't know the figures but I would have thought that parlour and agency girls far exceed the number of true independants. Even if the split is 50/50 and the figure of 80,000 WG's in the UK is somewhere near the mark that still leaves around 40,000 WG's with potentially no business if a punter could be arrested for visiting a parlour or arranging a punt via an agency. Business in these areas will drop dramatically if the new law comes in.

Are parlours just going to shut up shop ?

Are all the parlour / agency girls going to stop working ?

Will they all become indies ? or perhaps form co-operatives with say 6 or 8 girls sharing the cost of a website

What's going to be the new way of working ?

Men aren't going to stop paying for sex and women aren't going to stop accepting money for it.

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Also, Working Girls are going to be forced to meet with do-gooder social workers so they can be 'Rehabilitated'. I might offer a small prize to the WG who manages to turn the meeting around and pursuade the social worker to become a WG!

The way I read it was the punters also had to go for 3 x 'brainwashing sessions' with a do-gooder. ( Local preist / magistrate perhaps ?? - both of whom probably punt anyway ?? )

Then of course if that doesn't work there's always the ECT treatment - after that you won't even remember HOW to punt, never mind where the brothels are.

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Jenny,

Look at the other sections of the bill. A senior police officer can close a 'brothel' down if he feels like it:

"For the purposes of the second condition, it does not matter whether

the officer believes that the offence or offences in question have been

committed or that they will be committed".

(The second condition is the key one).

Also, Working Girls are going to be forced to meet with do-gooder social workers so they can be 'Rehabilitated'. I might offer a small prize to the WG who manages to turn the meeting around and pursuade the social worker to become a WG!

A police officer can have always closed a brothel. They have been illegal for over 50 ish years in the UK.. Nothing new about that. I read it as Punters will have to attend if ordered to... as I saw it nothing in the bill talks about penalties for anyone other than PUNTERS who have been safe until this proposed bill. I will be corrected if I am wrong... I am sure but I have seen nothing about girls and penalties.

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Certainnly for indies that's true as the authorities won't know whats going on behind closed doors and will care even less.

I don't know the figures but I would have thought that parlour and agency girls far exceed the number of true independants. Even if the split is 50/50 and the figure of 80,000 WG's in the UK is somewhere near the mark that still leaves around 40,000 WG's with potentially no business if a punter could be arrested for visiting a parlour or arranging a punt via an agency. Business in these areas will drop dramatically if the new law comes in.

Are parlours just going to shut up shop ?

Are all the parlour / agency girls going to stop working ?

Will they all become indies ? or perhaps form co-operatives with say 6 or 8 girls sharing the cost of a website

What's going to be the new way of working ?

Men aren't going to stop paying for sex and women aren't going to stop accepting money for it.

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If websites take bookings will they be classed as control? It is almost certain if a girl is in an establishment that has any kind of rules like when you start and when you finish work that will be control in the eyes of the cops... and I am not sure but I think that magistrates will easily accept that if a girl works at a place like a parlour or agency than control will be presumed to be there in part at least. Control is an interesting word for this... Red lights tell us to stop.. but they do not control us as we can if we want jump them... interesting.

As for punters, I doubt that to many will go to parlours after a few high profile busts have taken place...

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If websites take bookings will they be classed as control? It is almost certain if a girl is in an establishment that has any kind of rules like when you start and when you finish work that will be control in the eyes of the cops... and I am not sure but I think that magistrates will easily accept that if a girl works at a place like a parlour or agency than control will be presumed to be there in part at least. Control is an interesting word for this... Red lights tell us to stop.. but they do not control us as we can if we want jump them... interesting.

As for punters, I doubt that to many will go to parlours after a few high profile busts have taken place...

I wonder if an affidavit signed by the girl and winessed by a public notary that she was there of her own free will and accord would do the trick ?

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I wonder if an affidavit signed by the girl and winessed by a public notary that she was there of her own free will and accord would do the trick ?

I doubt that would take away the control element unless it said she does not obey any instructions from the parlour owners and does exactly as she pleases.. No I doubt there is a way out of this as they will decide what control is... but as its been said here I cannot remember where but control will need to be proven first before the punter could be convicted. They will have to decide then what control means and that could be appealed I think... C would in my view have to be convicted as a controller first then the punters convicted. Without C proven A cannot surely be found guilty.

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I wonder if an affidavit signed by the girl and winessed by a public notary that she was there of her own free will and accord would do the trick ?

1) Free will doesn't matter. Control simply means "works for an agency/brothel". Vera Baird admitted that it will cover 90% of prostitution.

2)The proposal says it will be irrelevant whether a man knew or could have known the girl's circumstances, which kills your idea immediately.

In any case it'll never pass anyway. There's too much opposition.

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1) Free will doesn't matter. Control simply means "works for an agency/brothel". Vera Baird admitted that it will cover 90% of prostitution.

2)The proposal says it will be irrelevant whether a man knew or could have known the girl's circumstances, which kills your idea immediately.

In any case it'll never pass anyway. There's too much opposition.

I'm running out of ideas.......

ok, brothel, health club, parlour or whatever becomes "Film Acadamy"

They make porno films. I go in and make a porno film with my fav WG and pay her £60 for 30 min acting (all is filmed on cam but due to poor quality of perfomance [me that is] is immediately deleted) I exit premises and plodd arrests me. Hey hang on, I'm Bert Donkeycock - famous porn actor - just leaving work. Had sex on the premises officer ? of course I did it's my job....

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I'm running out of ideas.......

ok, brothel, health club, parlour or whatever becomes "Film Acadamy"

They make porno films. I go in and make a porno film with my fav WG and pay her £60 for 30 min acting (all is filmed on cam but due to poor quality of perfomance [me that is] is immediately deleted) I exit premises and plodd arrests me. Hey hang on, I'm Bert Donkeycock - famous porn actor - just leaving work. Had sex on the premises officer ? of course I did it's my job....

Don't want to be a downer but, Pornography is included in the list of activities that can attract the closing down orders to shut a place for 3 months... Lionel had a photo studio and went to jail twice because his girls made porn films with the clients. No that will not be any help to you at all. I found the news cutting the other day from 1994.

Why Bugs Bunny owns a Brothel in Luotn.

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1) Free will doesn't matter. Control simply means "works for an agency/brothel". Vera Baird admitted that it will cover 90% of prostitution.

2)The proposal says it will be irrelevant whether a man knew or could have known the girl's circumstances, which kills your idea immediately.

In any case it'll never pass anyway. There's too much opposition.

May be G can open a book and we can place bets... I would bet $ 20 quid but this keyboard has no pound sign.. it gets passed into law.

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Don't want to be a downer but, Pornography is included in the list of activities that can attract the closing down orders to shut a place for 3 months... Lionel had a photo studio and went to jail twice because his girls made porn films with the clients. No that will not be any help to you at all. I found the news cutting the other day from 1994.

Why Bugs Bunny owns a Brothel in Luotn.

F**K, F**K, FCUK

I'm going to the pub then - round here buying 1/2 larger can get you a jump.... suppose that's Illegal too ?

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