shadylady

"Tackling the drugs problem"

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On another thread a poster mentiond the need to "tackle the drugs problem" in relation to street workers. What does this mean though? How do people suggest the drugs problem is tackled?

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On another thread a poster mentiond the need to "tackle the drugs problem" in relation to street workers. What does this mean though? How do people suggest the drugs problem is tackled?

Can we assume that Indies never touch drugs. ????

Just a thought. :D:rolleyes:

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Secure our borders so the stuff cant be imported. (I never see customs at airports wtf are they?)

Haved a zero tolerance to pushers and the supply chain.

Use what ever clout we have left in the world to tackle the problem where it is manufactured

How is that for a start

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Can we assume that Indies never touch drugs. ????

Just a thought. :D:rolleyes:

I can't believe you would even make such a suggestion!!!! They is all like upper class innit and snort fairy bubbles and mainline sunshine

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Secure our borders so the stuff cant be imported. (I never see customs at airports wtf are they?)

Easier said than done, I would guess the bulk of drugs arrive in sealed containers not someone's suitcase.

We can't even keep the illegal immigrants out. :D

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Secure our borders so the stuff cant be imported. (I never see customs at airports wtf are they?)

Haved a zero tolerance to pushers and the supply chain.

Use what ever clout we have left in the world to tackle the problem where it is manufactured

How is that for a start

Thanks for the response. I don't know how borders can every totally be secured. Sentencing for drug traffickers is generally higher than that for nonces and violent people. What cost to the taxpayer keeping all the drug users/pushers/traffickers in prison for life?

To your last point how do you tackle poverty on a global scale? Fucked if I know.

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Secure our borders so the stuff cant be imported. (I never see customs at airports wtf are they?)

Haved a zero tolerance to pushers and the supply chain.

Use what ever clout we have left in the world to tackle the problem where it is manufactured

How is that for a start

Impractical and impossible. Prohibition didn't work for booze in the US and isn't working for illegal drugs here.

We are a small island with thousands of miles of coastline - they cannot be monitored 24/7, so we can never have "secure" borders.

As for stopping the problems at source, some time ago "we" told Afghan poppy farmers (the source of heroin) that if they stopped growing poppies we'd help them with other crops. So they burned their fields, we walked away and left them, and they were reduced to starvation, selling their daughters into slavery etc. Since then, the US has repeatedly sprayed DDT on their poppy fields, while they and their children were out in them. "Our" actions are causing death, misery, disabilities, miscarriages - I don't think they're going to care too much about what their activity does to us.

And most of the cannabis sold in this country is now grown here.

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Secure our borders so the stuff cant be imported. (I never see customs at airports wtf are they?)

Haved a zero tolerance to pushers and the supply chain.

Use what ever clout we have left in the world to tackle the problem where it is manufactured

How is that for a start

most of the cannabis smoked in uk is grown in uk. so what start are u gonna make here where uk gov allegedly has full authority?

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And most of the cannabis sold in this country is now grown here.

Yeah I think it's pretty much only coke and heroin which can't be home grown or manufactured here. I could be wrong tho

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so we sit and do nothing. Good idea, that.

Make HMRC give proper resources to the customs service so thet can check more containers and trucks and have a proper presence at airports and ferry ports.

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Drugs aren't the problem. Poverty and low expectations are.

Since New Labour gave up on socialism, is it any wonder why they focus on the former (and its associated 'consequences' such as prostitution) and ignore the latter beyond half-hearted amelioration of the worst symptoms of poverty and inequality?

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Yeah I think it's pretty much only coke and heroin which can't be home grown or manufactured here. I could be wrong tho

I wasn't aware until I looked just now, but opium poppies are being grown here already. (Albeit under Government licence) I think it would be harder to conceal a field of blue flowers than a house full of weed, but you never know...

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so we sit and do nothing. Good idea, that.

Make HMRC give proper resources to the customs service so thet can check more containers and trucks and have a proper presence at airports and ferry ports.

Or we could legalise drugs and tax them to cover the costs of addiction.

They could be sold in licensed shops, in pharmaceutically-controlled doses.

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Since New Labour gave up on socialism

They had no choice, "old" Labour were unelectable, simply as that really.:D

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They had no choice, "old" Labour were unelectable, simply as that really.:D

so they became ersatz tories

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I think the correlation between poverty and drug abuse is still valid BUT there are thousands and thousands of people in the UK using "recreational" narcotics every weekend and probably during the week too. A large percentage of those people will be gainfully employed, students or have some kind of private income.

The idea that only street prostitutes indulge in Class A, B or C activities is laughable. I know Doctors, Lawyers and Police persons who are regularly off their nuts. So if even the so called establishment are partaking, is that anarchy or crime against society?

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They had no choice, "old" Labour were unelectable, simply as that really.:D

Maybe. But it doesn't invalidate my point about drugs and poverty... :D

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I think the correlation between poverty and drug abuse is still valid BUT there are thousands and thousands of people in the UK using "recreational" narcotics every weekend and probably during the week too. A large percentage of those people will be gainfully employed, students or have some kind of private income.

The idea that only street prostitutes indulge in Class A, B or C activities is laughable. I know Doctors, Lawyers and Police persons who are regularly off their nuts. So if even the so called establishment are partaking, is that anarchy or crime against society?

yeah, then they get addicted, lose their jobs, or drive while under the influence and the rest of us end up paying.

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Drugs aren't the problem. Poverty and low expectations are.

Since New Labour gave up on socialism, is it any wonder why they focus on the former (and its associated 'consequences' such as prostitution) and ignore the latter beyond half-hearted amelioration of the worst symptoms of poverty and inequality?

B

Everyone has the opportunity to enter the "welfare to work" scheme and benefit under the New Deal package.

http://www.jobcentreplus.gov.uk/JCP/Employers/Ourservices/Programmes/New_Deal/index.html

On a more serious note Stoke supposedly has a Women's Project Outreach Team to deal with street prostitution:-

http://www.stoke.gov.uk/ccm/cms-service/stream/asset/?asset_id=1270669

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Everyone has the opportunity to enter the "welfare to work" scheme and benefit under the New Deal package...

Yeah, right. :D

On a more serious note Stoke supposedly has a Women's Project Outreach Team to deal with street prostitution...

...which has done some excellent work by all accounts in reducing street prostitution and has also delivered outreach to Stoke parlours in a similar way to which MASH does in Manchester.

The underlying problem facing Stoke is that it is caught between, and to a certain extent blighted by, two vibrant city-regions; Birmingham to the south and Manchester to the north...

B

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Yeah, right. :D

What's wrong with these work schemes? I don't know much about them, are they rubbish?

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Yeah, right. :D

...which has done some excellent work by all accounts in reducing street prostitution and has also delivered outreach to Stoke parlours in a similar way to which MASH does in Manchester.

The underlying problem facing Stoke is that it is caught between, and to a certain extent blighted by, two vibrant city-regions; Birmingham to the south and Manchester to the north...

B

I think stoke is one of the most deprived areas in the UK, andit has not had the service industries moving in to replace the old ones of coal, steel and potteries

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yeah, then they get addicted, lose their jobs, or drive while under the influence and the rest of us end up paying.

I may be being presumptious here, I think there is a generation gap element to your statement and I get the feeling you are in the 50+ age group... Apologies if my instinct is incorrect. Since the late 1980's and the acid house phenomena, recreational drugs such as MDMA, Cocaine and Ketamine have become part of mainstream social activity. Huge numbers of adults and young people in the UK will partake in these substances at the weekend as a matter of course and still manage to keep a job and or family going. There is a huge social significance attached to these pass times - clubs, music,celebrity and sometimes even sporting figures.

A large percentage of these folk will consider themselves law abiding citizens and will not have a criminal record or involve themselves in

criminal activity other than getting off their faces at the weekend. More crimes are committed under the influence of alcohol than any other substance.

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Remember Lockerby? Rumour has it the drugs on that flight belong to the government. I don't see how the problem can be tackled.

And you're right ShadyLady, it's not endemic to street girls alone. It's throughout the spectrum in this business and outside of it, throughout the social classes.

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[A large percentage of these folk will consider themselves law abiding citizens and will not have a criminal record or involve themselves in

criminal activity other than getting off their faces at the weekend.

considering the latest budget, you`ll find alot more people getting off their faces on pills and stuff now, it`s actually cheaper than getting pissed now. that and you don`t see someone on E starting fights in grotty town centre "pubs".

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