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Define a pimp!!!

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I dont think that a person be it male or female who sets up an establishment is necessarily a pimp.

For example, doing the ads for the lassies and giving them a safe place to work then taking a fee seems reasonable to me.

I think of a pimp as somebody who takes too much or all of a lady's money.

So at what stage would you be a pimp? Ranging from taking 10% of the lady's earnings to 100%. EG, would taking 50% or less make someone not a pimp, but if taking more becomes a pimp?

Now I know the legal answers to what I am asking. However, many ladies who work as escorts or in parlours or for party organisers do not feel pimped. They are generally ladies who dont or cant or wont do their own advertising. There are then of course the girls with "boyfriends" who take all or most of the ladies' money who I would certainly class as pimps.

Am interested in all views.

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I dont think that a person be it male or female who sets up an establishment is necessarily a pimp.

For example, doing the ads for the lassies and giving them a safe place to work then taking a fee seems reasonable to me.

I think of a pimp as somebody who takes too much or all of a lady's money.

So at what stage would you be a pimp? Ranging from taking 10% of the lady's earnings to 100%. EG, would taking 50% or less make someone not a pimp, but if taking more becomes a pimp?

Now I know the legal answers to what I am asking. However, many ladies who work as escorts or in parlours or for party organisers do not feel pimped. They are generally ladies who dont or cant or wont do their own advertising. There are then of course the girls with "boyfriends" who take all or most of the ladies' money who I would certainly class as pimps.

Am interested in all views.

* Girds loins in preparation for supplying link to Repeals & Revocations Section of SOA 2003 *

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Any man who has a relationship with a working girl and allows her to share in the financial responsibilities of keeping a home and family, is a "pimp" ;)

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I was having this conversation last night and the man in question when I described four male situations only said one was a pimp.

I could not get time off when I wanted, was fired for taking my birthday off work, then later rehired. Would turn away outcall work so that other girls could have it even though I was asked for just so more money was made as I could incall.

We also had the arguement from both points of view as to the commission charging. Now working for someone you expect to pay commission, they in turn should pay for your pictures, advertise for you, get you work, answer your calls and enquiries and do the security checks. While they do this for you they do this for all their other girls so 40, 50, 60% is a little steep as it is something they would have to do anyway.

As an indie I know how long it took and how much it cost to get maximum exposure and the 30% was never worth it.

Then there are the agencies that insist you have their driver, £10 pick up fee, £10 drop off fee, they then get a fee from the agency and you get picked up with a load of other girls in one hit so it is not at as if you get the car alone.

There is being fair and there is taking the pee. I think the fee should reflect how much they advertise and promote and how much work they get you.

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Any man who has a relationship with a working girl and allows her to share in the financial responsibilities of keeping a home and family, is a "pimp" :)

I had an ex live of me but he never forced me to work or encouraged it so I never classed that as a pimp. I did it of my own free will with or without his consent or knowledge. He just chose to not bother to get a job when his business went under. I soon got ged up and booted him out.

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Any man who has a relationship with a working girl and allows her to share in the financial responsibilities of keeping a home and family, is a "pimp" :)

Dyou think? But no one calls the man a pimp if he encourages his wife to get a job as a secretary and he shares her wages...

Likewise, would a woman be called a pimp if her husband was a 'Working Boy'?

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Dyou think? But no one calls the man a pimp if he encourages his wife to get a job as a secretary and he shares her wages...

Likewise, would a woman be called a pimp if her husband was a 'Working Boy'?

Good point. What about housewives?

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He just chose to not bother to get a job when his business went under.

If he lived off your earnings without managing you or assisting your business in any way he qualifies as a ponce rather than a pimp.

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In the context of punting, IMO a pimp is someone who benefits from another person having sexual relations with a third person.

The words manager/boss are more acceptable words to use for some among others nowadays so i have seen on here.

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In the context of punting, IMO a pimp is someone who benefits from another person having sexual relations with a third person.

The words manager/boss are more acceptable words to use for some among others nowadays so i have seen on here.

But that still doesn't work. If "a pimp is someone who benefits from another person having sexual relations with a third person", what about a mother who becomes a WG to feed her kids? Does that make her children "pimps"?

And the manager/boss thing - how can a man/husband be a manager or boss (or pimp) if all he's doing is eating the food/using the electricity/watching the TV etc supplied by the WG's wage?

To me, a pimp is an active part of prostitution, he helps set up the meetings, gets the punter to pay up, acts as security, actively takes a cut of the WG's earnings. A husband CAN be his wife's pimp/manager/boss, but that doesn't necessarily mean a husband IS a pimp just because his wife puts money into the housekeeping pot. IMO.

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I think it should depend on the extent of the lady's freedom. If she is free to decide whether or not to use the services of the organisation concerned (be it brothel, webmaster or party organiser), even if she then has to comply with certain "house rules") I wouldn't regard the recipient of her money as a pimp. Likewise if she is free to chose whether to share her income with someone else, I would not regard that other as a pimp. It is the element of compulsion which seems to me to be objectionable (whatever the legal definition may be, if there is one).

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I've always considered pimp to be a negative word that implied the WG(s) involved were not acting of their own free will.

I think I've finally found a use for the new law, I'd say person C is the definition of a pimp...

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if

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I dont think that a person be it male or female who sets up an establishment is necessarily a pimp.

For example, doing the ads for the lassies and giving them a safe place to work then taking a fee seems reasonable to me.

I think of a pimp as somebody who takes too much or all of a lady's money.

So at what stage would you be a pimp? Ranging from taking 10% of the lady's earnings to 100%. EG, would taking 50% or less make someone not a pimp, but if taking more becomes a pimp?

Now I know the legal answers to what I am asking. However, many ladies who work as escorts or in parlours or for party organisers do not feel pimped. They are generally ladies who dont or cant or wont do their own advertising. There are then of course the girls with "boyfriends" who take all or most of the ladies' money who I would certainly class as pimps.

Am interested in all views.

A few weeks ago I was introduced to 3 Thai ladies - all 3 over 28, here legally and have a good grasp of the English language but wanting to start as escorts. They were under the impression I would quite happily start an agency and as such find them work.

Unfortunately, it didn't sit well with me as I felt as if I would be pimping them out and refused. However, I did say I would be more than happy to guide them to SAAFE, various other areas of info and point them in the right direction as far as advertising, websites, profiles etc., went, at no cost to them.

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But that still doesn't work. If "a pimp is someone who benefits from another person having sexual relations with a third person", what about a mother who becomes a WG to feed her kids? Does that make her children "pimps"?

And the manager/boss thing - how can a man/husband be a manager or boss (or pimp) if all he's doing is eating the food/using the electricity/watching the TV etc supplied by the WG's wage?

To me, a pimp is an active part of prostitution, he helps set up the meetings, gets the punter to pay up, acts as security, actively takes a cut of the WG's earnings. A husband CAN be his wife's pimp/manager/boss, but that doesn't necessarily mean a husband IS a pimp just because his wife puts money into the housekeeping pot. IMO.

I put in the context of punting, so was meaning adults who benefit.

In the husband scenario you describe IMO he is a pimp if he knows that his wife is having sexual relations with another for cash or goods which he benefits from in any way and goes along or agrees for her to do it.

I certainly agree a pimp is often a more active participant as you describe, but in my view they dont have to be.

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I put in the context of punting, so was meaning adults who benefit.

In the husband scenario you describe IMO he is a pimp if he knows that his wife is having sexual relations with another for cash or goods which he benefits from in any way and goes along or agrees for her to do it.

I certainly agree a pimp is often a more active participant as you describe, but in my view they dont have to be.

Now why am I not surprised that a punter feels as though a working girl shouldn't have a partner/husband? :):confused:

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A pimp is an agent for prostitutes who lives off their earnings.

As Wonderlust said, if someone lives off a prostitute without acting as her agent, he is called a ponce.

Where do some of you get the idea that to be regarded as a pimp you have to be forcing or coercing the girl in some way?

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What characterizes a pimp are the various goings-on such as intimidation, control, both psychological and physical abuse, violence and living off her earnings from prostitution as well as some kind of dependency (for his protection) on her part. A pimp may also have more than one 'bitch' under his influence, and he will also protect her from unruly punters and any other danger. But he is mainly protecting his business interests - cynical perhaps, but true.

What makes a WG's partner a pimp or a boyfriend is determined by the extent of activities that accompany the relationship in relation to the above. But just because a WG has a boyfriend, this does not automatically qualify him as a pimp.

If the WG is happy with her circumstances and does not feel that she is being coerced in any way then I don't see how the label 'pimp' could apply.

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The dictionary defines a Pimp as such:

pimp

- 7 dictionary results

pimp

–noun

1.a person, esp. a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.

2.a despicable person.

3. an informer; stool pigeon.

–verb (used without object)

4.to act as a pimp.–verb (used with object)

5.to act as a pimp for.

6.to exploit.

The reason I suggested this thread be started was that we appear to have a complete dichotomy between the fact that we can call a WG a prostitute and expect her to accept that name willingly "because that's what she is" but where someone solicits customers for working girls by either setting up a brothel, a party or indeed ad hoc MFF threesomes for another, with WGs they really object to being called pimps.

So, is the dictionary definition of a Pimp (As opposed to a Ponce) correct and if so is the word Pimp acceptable?

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1.a person, esp. a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.

2.a despicable person.

3. an informer; stool pigeon.

Until recently, I don't recall the word "pimp" being used a great deal. It usually appears when there is an argument brewing on the board and someone uses the word pimp as defined in clause "2" above while pretending they are using it only as defined in clause "1" above. :)

I sound like SaSfan! :)

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Until recently, I don't recall the word "pimp" being used a great deal. It usually appears when there is an argument brewing on the board and someone uses the word pimp as defined in clause "2" above while pretending they are using it only as defined in clause "1" above. :)

I sound like SaSfan! :)

Yes, similar in fact to when others use the term "Whore" or "Prostitute" don't you think?

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Now why am I not surprised that a punter feels as though a working girl shouldn't have a partner/husband? :):confused:

No idea why you have posted this in reply to my post with confusion smilies. I have absolutely no problem with a WG having a partner/husband.

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Yes, similar in fact to when others use the term "Whore" or "Prostitute" don't you think?

Oh yes, words can be used to hurt :)

I never used to associate any negative connotations with the word "prostitute". I thought it was a perfectly normal technical term. However, I have seen red mist appear in girls' eyes when the term has been used in their company.

Conversely, I always thought "whore" was derogatory but many Happy Hookers seem to use it to describe themselves.

I think we all can sense when someone is using these terms perjoratively. :)

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The dictionary defines a Pimp as such:

pimp

- 7 dictionary results

pimp

–noun

1.a person, esp. a man, who solicits customers for a prostitute or a brothel, usually in return for a share of the earnings; pander; procurer.

2.a despicable person.

3. an informer; stool pigeon.

–verb (used without object)

4.to act as a pimp.–verb (used with object)

5.to act as a pimp for.

6.to exploit.

The reason I suggested this thread be started was that we appear to have a complete dichotomy between the fact that we can call a WG a prostitute and expect her to accept that name willingly "because that's what she is" but where someone solicits customers for working girls by either setting up a brothel, a party or indeed ad hoc MFF threesomes for another, with WGs they really object to being called pimps.

So, is the dictionary definition of a Pimp (As opposed to a Ponce) correct and if so is the word Pimp acceptable?

Personally, I don't believe a dictionary definition to be sufficient here.

But I will indulge you nonetheless.

Solicit verb. tr

1 To seek to obtain by persuasion

2 To petition persistently

3 To entice or incite to evil or illegal action

4 To approach or accost (a person) with an offer of sexual services

No agency, brothel, parlour or any other ‘mutha’ has ever done any of those to me.

I think you will find that the above mentioned enterprises will tell you that they are merely providing a (safe) place of work for the girls for a fee and not providing or procuring girls for punters. Whether you regard this as enticement as in 3 is open to debate but certainly not obvious and definitely not pimping in the true sense of the word.

I could be wrong here but the word 'solicit' does seem to be key to the definition according to the dictionary.

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Yes, similar in fact to when others use the term "Whore" or "Prostitute" don't you think?
Not really, Ghenghis. I have seen many wgs calling themselves a "prostitute" but never seen a bloke call himself a "pimp" on this board. Comparison, to me seems like chalk and cheese. As for "whore", well, that's almost, if not, as bad as "pimp".

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If it's not sex you're selling, he/she could also be called agent or manager :)

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