mikejames

Risk of getting STD's

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hi guys, i'm new to punting in london...

just wanted to ask a few questions and for advice...

i know it has been discussed in the FAQ/guide to punting and know that normally upscale agencies/indie escorts are very safe, but i was just wondering what the risk of contracting STI's from massage parlours, esp smaller ones in e.g. zone 2 london, and how the risk compares with independent/agent escorts

second question, have most of you caught at least one STD during your punting career? i'm a medical doctor, and i know that STI's are pretty easily transmitted and that there are actually quite a few different types and are transmitted different ways. sometimes infections are also asymptomatic and don't manifest themselves until too late... the STI's i'm worried about are:

SKIN CONTACT: HPV (gives you nasty genital warts), HSV-2(HSV-1 if oral), syphillis (can lead to paralysis and dementia if untreated), lymphogranuloma venerum (very common STD in africa and also being disseminated by sex workers originating from africa)

- these can be transmitted even with condom use as the condom only covers your penis not ur pubic area

MOUTH-TO-SKIN, e.g. oral: gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HSV-1 (genital herpes is now thought to be caused by HSV-1 AND HSV-2, HSV-1 especially common in people engaged in oral sex)

MOUTH-TO-MOUTH, i.e. french kissing: EBV (glandular fever - sometimes can be sick for up to months), HTLV-1 (human T-cell lymphocyte virus - i actually saw a patient before who saw one prostitute in his life and now has lymphoma because of HTLV-1, which is quite commonly carried by humans and spread by drug users and sex with carriers)

BODILY FLUIDS, i.e. no condom: hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV, HTLV-1

just wondering if you generally encounter health problems as a result of punting?

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The risk of STDs in zone 2 London? Good Lord! Look after your health and stick to zone 1! I'm sure there must be an army of epidemiologists somewhere working on the prevalence of STDs according to London underground zones.

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you probably want to forget about punting, your just too worried mate, paranoid even..

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hi guys, i'm new to punting in london...

just wanted to ask a few questions and for advice...

i know it has been discussed in the FAQ/guide to punting and know that normally upscale agencies/indie escorts are very safe, but i was just wondering what the risk of contracting STI's from massage parlours, esp smaller ones in e.g. zone 2 london, and how the risk compares with independent/agent escorts

second question, have most of you caught at least one STD during your punting career? i'm a medical doctor, and i know that STI's are pretty easily transmitted and that there are actually quite a few different types and are transmitted different ways. sometimes infections are also asymptomatic and don't manifest themselves until too late... the STI's i'm worried about are:

SKIN CONTACT: HPV (gives you nasty genital warts), HSV-2(HSV-1 if oral), syphillis (can lead to paralysis and dementia if untreated), lymphogranuloma venerum (very common STD in africa and also being disseminated by sex workers originating from africa)

- these can be transmitted even with condom use as the condom only covers your penis not ur pubic area

MOUTH-TO-SKIN, e.g. oral: gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HSV-1 (genital herpes is now thought to be caused by HSV-1 AND HSV-2, HSV-1 especially common in people engaged in oral sex)

MOUTH-TO-MOUTH, i.e. french kissing: EBV (glandular fever - sometimes can be sick for up to months), HTLV-1 (human T-cell lymphocyte virus - i actually saw a patient before who saw one prostitute in his life and now has lymphoma because of HTLV-1, which is quite commonly carried by humans and spread by drug users and sex with carriers)

BODILY FLUIDS, i.e. no condom: hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV, HTLV-1

just wondering if you generally encounter health problems as a result of punting?

- You mean to say that no one else in your profession has a clue? Amazing!

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the STI's i'm worried about are:

SKIN CONTACT: [...]

You forgot ass-to-mouth, which is the only one I'm half-concerned about (Hep A).

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Surely, if you are a medical doctor, you know better than us the risks.

If you are asking if punting becames more risky as you get further away from Charing Cross, the answer is possibly. Checking out **, many of the profiles are quite alarming once you get into zones 3,4,5 and 6 and this is probably a socio-economic issue. The further out you get, the cheaper it gets and people become less discerning. I reckon there is more BB sex to be had in the suburbs than anywhere else judging by the ads. This all falls apart once you get into the country where prices go up again in places like Cambridge, Sevenoaks, MK and so on.

This is my personal take on it and is not intended to refer to anyone on this board where everyone takes this stuff seriously. Also, I am quite prepared to be proved to be wrong so apologies in advance before you reply.

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Surely, if you are a medical doctor, you know better than us the risks.

If you are asking if punting becames more risky as you get further away from Charing Cross, the answer is possibly. Checking out **, many of the profiles are quite alarming once you get into zones 3,4,5 and 6 and this is probably a socio-economic issue. The further out you get, the cheaper it gets and people become less discerning. I reckon there is more BB sex to be had in the suburbs than anywhere else judging by the ads. This all falls apart once you get into the country where prices go up again in places like Cambridge, Sevenoaks, MK and so on.

This is my personal take on it and is not intended to refer to anyone on this board where everyone takes this stuff seriously. Also, I am quite prepared to be proved to be wrong so apologies in advance before you reply.

Prices go up in MK???

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Well you clearly know the medical side of it. You must know about the percentage chance of risks as well.

I've got a mate who caught gonorrhoea twice from uncovered oral in with large numbers of women in Thailand. He described as having a drippy willy. He just went to the doctor and they gave him a pill.

So there's that side of it. If you get a check up you know better than anyone that most of these things can be cleared up easily.

For the untreatable stuff herpes is a skin a condition. The biggest threat with it is that if you are symptomatic it will increase the risk of catching HIV if you have sex with somebody infected.

Obviously HIV is the big one. Apparently if you have unprotected sex with someone with HIV there is a 1 in 200 chance of becoming infected.

I follow the rule of wearing a condom for penetrative sex and then living with the risks for other stuff. I willing to run the risk of having to visit the clinic or the very small chance of catching HIV from protected sex.

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Prices go up in MK???

Compared to parts of east and south east London or north west Kent, yes. Probably for a very good reason too.:)

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hi guys, i'm new to punting in london...

just wanted to ask a few questions and for advice...

i know it has been discussed in the FAQ/guide to punting and know that normally upscale agencies/indie escorts are very safe, but i was just wondering what the risk of contracting STI's from massage parlours, esp smaller ones in e.g. zone 2 london, and how the risk compares with independent/agent escorts

second question, have most of you caught at least one STD during your punting career? i'm a medical doctor, and i know that STI's are pretty easily transmitted and that there are actually quite a few different types and are transmitted different ways. sometimes infections are also asymptomatic and don't manifest themselves until too late... the STI's i'm worried about are:

SKIN CONTACT: HPV (gives you nasty genital warts), HSV-2(HSV-1 if oral), syphillis (can lead to paralysis and dementia if untreated), lymphogranuloma venerum (very common STD in africa and also being disseminated by sex workers originating from africa)

- these can be transmitted even with condom use as the condom only covers your penis not ur pubic area

MOUTH-TO-SKIN, e.g. oral: gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HSV-1 (genital herpes is now thought to be caused by HSV-1 AND HSV-2, HSV-1 especially common in people engaged in oral sex)

MOUTH-TO-MOUTH, i.e. french kissing: EBV (glandular fever - sometimes can be sick for up to months), HTLV-1 (human T-cell lymphocyte virus - i actually saw a patient before who saw one prostitute in his life and now has lymphoma because of HTLV-1, which is quite commonly carried by humans and spread by drug users and sex with carriers)

BODILY FLUIDS, i.e. no condom: hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV, HTLV-1

just wondering if you generally encounter health problems as a result of punting?

How do you know that what you term as upscale Agencies/Indie Escorts are safer than any other WG for definate. In reality the term upscale doesnt guarantee you anything that you cant get elsewhere. In my experience its simply a marketing ploy to charge more. Paying more does not make the punt better automatically, that depends on the lady you punt withs attitude.

You dont and neither does anyone else which is why as you should already know as a medical Doctor, all you can do is look after your own sexual health.

I have been punting for 26 years and never caught anything and go to the GUM quartley. My advice to you is if your going to punt you need to take precautions of course, but put it into perspective. If you cant do this i would say puntings not for you, but that is of course your business.

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......hi guys, i'm new to punting in london...

i'm a medical doctor.........?

Not sure if you really want information of just the the chance to worry people by cataloguing wha they might catch? How on earth did you omit chancroid? Never mind, the risks really aren't very high at all, according to your GUM colleagues, responding here to a Govt consultation of a few years ago:

http://www.bashh.org/documents/1118/1118.pdf

"Evidence from detailed research in London, for example, has shown that women sex workers are at a slightly increased risk of STI and HIV when compared with population rates, but are generally at lower risk of STI/HIV than other women attending genitourinary medicine clinics. These women report extremely high rates of condom use in commercial exchanges, much higher than the general population, There is a reported increase in use of condoms with non-commercial partners as well, and this had led to a sharp decline in the risk of STI in sex workers at a time when population rates have been rising. Similar results have been reported for many other parts of the country. However, there are clear exceptions to this general pattern. A small number of recent outbreaks of syphilis, and more recently hepatitis B, have included female sex workers who work on the streets and may be using drugs such as crack cocaine. More detailed investigation of these outbreaks is required to assess the reasons why these sections of the population are at increased risk - poor access to treatment services due to the current crisis in sexual health service provision, associated with multiple reasons of deprivation of these individuals and communities, are likely to be key factors rather than prostitution per se. There is less evidence on the level of STI/HIV in men who pay for sex, although a recent presentation at the International AIDS Conference in Bangkok showed that the numbers of men in the UK who report paying women for sex has increased, and that they are more likely to have had an STI in the previous five years. However, whether this increased risk is related to the sex work contacts is unclear, since these men report much higher numbers of sexual partners overall, most of whom are non-commerical."

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to be honest I worry about so much the fear of STDs is a minor one and as its allied to enjoyment it tends to get shoved to the bottom of the worry tray

Ive seen 100s of WG had loads of BB yet so far Ive been alright

it could change tomorrow I know that but I am of an age when tomorrow is a wish anyway ...........

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Upon further thought, this seems so much more like some lame attempt at statistics gathering, if not pure trolling, than a bona fide request by a legit punter.

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hi guys, i'm new to punting in london...

just wanted to ask a few questions and for advice...

i know it has been discussed in the FAQ/guide to punting and know that normally upscale agencies/indie escorts are very safe, but i was just wondering what the risk of contracting STI's from massage parlours, esp smaller ones in e.g. zone 2 london, and how the risk compares with independent/agent escorts

OK,as your new to this im not going to strop but aaaaaaaaaaaaggggggghhhhh,why do guys think that just because a lady puts a pricey ticket on herself that she will be more clued up than ladies who dont about their sexual health,remember please,its the ladies who decide they are expensive,not the guys and that ticket does not imbue the lady automatically with wisdom and knowledge of sexual health.Just be careful no matter how high or low the price tag.If its stinky,scaby,fishy or simply one of the great unwashed,dont go there,get your money back and leave,simple,xxx

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hi guys, i'm new to punting in london...

just wanted to ask a few questions and for advice...

i know it has been discussed in the FAQ/guide to punting and know that normally upscale agencies/indie escorts are very safe, but i was just wondering what the risk of contracting STI's from massage parlours, esp smaller ones in e.g. zone 2 london, and how the risk compares with independent/agent escorts

second question, have most of you caught at least one STD during your punting career? i'm a medical doctor, and i know that STI's are pretty easily transmitted and that there are actually quite a few different types and are transmitted different ways. sometimes infections are also asymptomatic and don't manifest themselves until too late... the STI's i'm worried about are:

SKIN CONTACT: HPV (gives you nasty genital warts), HSV-2(HSV-1 if oral), syphillis (can lead to paralysis and dementia if untreated), lymphogranuloma venerum (very common STD in africa and also being disseminated by sex workers originating from africa)

- these can be transmitted even with condom use as the condom only covers your penis not ur pubic area

MOUTH-TO-SKIN, e.g. oral: gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HSV-1 (genital herpes is now thought to be caused by HSV-1 AND HSV-2, HSV-1 especially common in people engaged in oral sex)

MOUTH-TO-MOUTH, i.e. french kissing: EBV (glandular fever - sometimes can be sick for up to months), HTLV-1 (human T-cell lymphocyte virus - i actually saw a patient before who saw one prostitute in his life and now has lymphoma because of HTLV-1, which is quite commonly carried by humans and spread by drug users and sex with carriers)

BODILY FLUIDS, i.e. no condom: hepatitis B, hepatitis C, HIV, HTLV-1

just wondering if you generally encounter health problems as a result of punting?

Are you asking - if a lady has more traffic, does the risk of STI increase? x

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to answer your question I have been punting for 46 years and never caught anything and those early days were sometimes without condoms.

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Don't know about anyone else, but I'm more worried about contracting some life-threatening ailment from an NHS trust hospital than I am at a Soho walk-up.

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i know it has been discussed in the FAQ/guide to punting and know that normally upscale agencies/indie escorts are very safe, but i was just wondering what the risk of contracting STI's from massage parlours, esp smaller ones in e.g. zone 2 london, and how the risk compares with independent/agent escorts

Is Hackney in Zone 2? If so, suggest you avoid streetwalkers there. See (& cite in your student project, for I guess that is the real reason for your post, which looks like trolling, but has all the medical terms spelt correctly):

Sex Transm Infect. 2008 Feb;84(1):32-3. Epub 2007 Sep 27.

Sexually transmitted infections among UK street-based sex workers.

Creighton S, Tariq S, Perry G.

Department of Sexual Health, Homerton University Hospital Foundation NHS Trust, Homerton Row, London E9 5SL, UK.

BACKGROUND: Female sex workers are a heterogeneous group and recent reports of declining incidence of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) do not apply to all populations. This is an observational study of street-based sex workers attending an inner-London genitourinary (GU) clinic between 1 July 2006 and 31 January 2007. METHODS: In July 2006 the local sex worker outreach project developed a weekly drop-in for street-based sex workers. From the drop-in, sex workers were fast tracked to attend a range of dedicated health services, including the GUM clinic. RESULTS: The outreach team made contact with 120 street-based sex workers in the borough. 40 of these attended the drop-in and 25 attended the GU clinic. 8 had tuberculosis. There were frequent reports of recent recreational drug use, unprotected sex with clients and no reliable contraception. 7 were pregnant, 6 were HIV positive and 12 had positive syphilis serology. A further 17 STIs were identified. CONCLUSIONS: There was a high frequency of HIV, syphilis, other bacterial STIs and unwanted pregnancy among sex workers attending this clinic. There were considerable amounts of other physical ill health in this group, with frequently reported risky sexual behaviour. This study demonstrates the need for targeted development work to meet the multifactorial needs of these women.

Mods- trust I'm allowed to mention streetwalkers in this context.

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Is Hackney in Zone 2? If so, suggest you avoid streetwalkers there. See (& cite in your student project, for I guess that is the real reason for your post, which looks like trolling, but has all the medical terms spelt correctly):

Sex Transm Infect. 2008 Feb;84(1):32-3. Epub 2007 Sep 27.

Sexually transmitted infections among UK street-based sex workers.

Creighton S, Tariq S, Perry G.

Department of Sexual Health, Homerton University Hospital Foundation NHS Trust, Homerton Row, London E9 5SL, UK.

BACKGROUND: Female sex workers are a heterogeneous group and recent reports of declining incidence of sexually transmitted infections (STIs) do not apply to all populations. This is an observational study of street-based sex workers attending an inner-London genitourinary (GU) clinic between 1 July 2006 and 31 January 2007. METHODS: In July 2006 the local sex worker outreach project developed a weekly drop-in for street-based sex workers. From the drop-in, sex workers were fast tracked to attend a range of dedicated health services, including the GUM clinic. RESULTS: The outreach team made contact with 120 street-based sex workers in the borough. 40 of these attended the drop-in and 25 attended the GU clinic. 8 had tuberculosis. There were frequent reports of recent recreational drug use, unprotected sex with clients and no reliable contraception. 7 were pregnant, 6 were HIV positive and 12 had positive syphilis serology. A further 17 STIs were identified. CONCLUSIONS: There was a high frequency of HIV, syphilis, other bacterial STIs and unwanted pregnancy among sex workers attending this clinic. There were considerable amounts of other physical ill health in this group, with frequently reported risky sexual behaviour. This study demonstrates the need for targeted development work to meet the multifactorial needs of these women.

Mods- trust I'm allowed to mention streetwalkers in this context.

Hackney is in Zone 2.

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I have not so far contracted an STI from a sex worker in London, but I have contracted it from non-pentrative sex with a girlfriend. She had probably had it for a long time, but it was asymptomatic. WG's are much more likely to go for regular checks than anyone else. Their livelehood depends on there not being infected.

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If you're worried, most likely best plan is to jump on a train, and go to Newcastle or Scotland.

Its so cold up there that germs. viruses, etc can't survive. (I can supply you with an electrically warmed willy protector to protect your sensitive part... as long as you sign a disclaimer.)

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If you're worried, most likely best plan is to jump on a train, and go to Newcastle or Scotland.

Its so cold up there that germs. viruses, etc can't survive. (I can supply you with an electrically warmed willy protector to protect your sensitive part... as long as you sign a disclaimer.)

Heh, the temp does not change much, the UK has a very mild climate due to being an island and the gulf stream, x:o

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I got glandular fever some years ago, I suppose that counts.

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to answer your question I have been punting for 46 years and never caught anything and those early days were sometimes without condoms.

just for curiousity, do you indulge in reverse oral on your punts?

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