Helen Jones

The other foot! Sexual freedom.

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Partenered Gentlemen.

Something occured to me earlier.

I read quite often how some of you are happilly settled down - securely and snugly ensconced with Mrs Punternet Nickname.

You have a hobby that Mrs PN wouldnt approve of but of course what the little lady at home doesnt know can't hurt her right?.

My Hypothetical Cat among the Pigeons would be, if you found that your little lady at home was spending some of the housekeeping on a handsome hunk of a male escort, and not on Lottery scratch cards and Gin as you thought!

Lets say hes taller than you, (I'm guessing here) has his own hair and teeth ! Has a huge broad smooth muscular chest, and is perfectly hung.

He could be black or Asian, he could be east European or British that depends on your wife/partners hidden tastes in sexual playmate. Remember she can have anything she wants. He could be young 19 yr old student or an economic migrant from the east. Maybe a bit of rough maybe a toff rugger player!

She might even book two men at once to really have a good time. A "sausage du tois"

He gets an erection on request, and as you chaps sometimes say "Goes like a train". He can bang like a Judges hammer and like a back gate in the wind.

She chats to him about all the mundane things that get her down at home, She tells him how she loves her hubby, but he just cant satisfy her anymore, and just doesnt find him sexually attractive now the magic has faded.

When he has satisfied her, and thanked her for the expensive gift with a Kiss and they part, she makes her way home checking there are no telltale signs that she has been well and truly humped, and when she arrives home scores his performance on the website she secretly visits to find her sex mates.

No guilt trip intended but really, how would you feel about her and her hobby?

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Oh Hellen that's put the cat among the pigeons :eek:

Ginger waits for the men's replies ;)

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This has been done to death but, as you asked:

Bloody annoyed.

Before I decided to punt I spent a heck of a lot of time, money and energy trying to have a mutually satisfying sex life with my wife and she made it clear that although she liked (Maybe even "loved") sex with me, she only needed it at most once a month to start with and then eventually once every 3 months, 6 months, year, decade..............:eek:

Eventually, I told her that provided she asked me no questions she did not was truthfull answers to, I would "sort myself out for sex". We could carry on just having a lot of laughs and tenderness and living in the same house.

So then I started punting.

I am no saint but I would feel bloody annoyed because she could have told me that she still wanted sex, just not with me, I would definitely understand as that is exactly how I feel now.

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If you have a happy, loving and sexually fulfilling relationship with your wife, why would one be punting - I know that I wouldn't. If these elements are missing from your relationship, particularly the first two, why would you care what your wife got up to?

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Partenered Gentlemen.

Something occured to me earlier.

I read quite often how some of you are happilly settled down - securely and snugly ensconced with Mrs Punternet Nickname.

You have a hobby that Mrs PN wouldnt approve of but of course what the little lady at home doesnt know can't hurt her right?.

My Hypothetical Cat among the Pigeons would be, if you found that your little lady at home was spending some of the housekeeping on a handsome hunk of a male escort, and not on Lottery scratch cards and Gin as you thought!

Lets say hes taller than you, (I'm guessing here) has his own hair and teeth ! Has a huge broad smooth muscular chest, and is perfectly hung.

He could be black or Asian, he could be east European or British that depends on your wife/partners hidden tastes in sexual playmate. Remember she can have anything she wants. He could be young 19 yr old student or an economic migrant from the east. Maybe a bit of rough maybe a toff rugger player!

She might even book two men at once to really have a good time. A "sausage du tois"

He gets an erection on request, and as you chaps sometimes say "Goes like a train". He can bang like a Judges hammer and like a back gate in the wind.

She chats to him about all the mundane things that get her down at home, She tells him how she loves her hubby, but he just cant satisfy her anymore, and just doesnt find him sexually attractive now the magic has faded.

When he has satisfied her, and thanked her for the expensive gift with a Kiss and they part, she makes her way home checking there are no telltale signs that she has been well and truly humped, and when she arrives home scores his performance on the website she secretly visits to find her sex mates.

No guilt trip intended but really, how would you feel about her and her hobby?[/QUOTE]

Helen are you serious or just taking the pi** ? :eek: A bit of a rhetorical question really.:)

OK cos I fancy you [ deep arent I ?--- another rhetorical question ! ] here's a couple of points;

1. reading most posts I think confirms that it is the wife who loses interest in sex generally that causes many to punt --- not that he cant sexually satisfy her anymore . now if that is all wrong , the debate becomes more interesting.;)

2. Men can punt without any substantial negative impact on their relationship with the missus. I very much doubt whether the same applies to most women.If a wife wanders in this way, the guy has a major problem on his hands.

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Guys!! Genuine question, exactly how difficult is it to use the "Quote" button?

I ask as you see so many posts fecked up

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So - What if (hypothetically of course) - you thought she had lost interest in sex, which promted you to punt.. but it actually emerged that she had lost interest in sex WITH YOU - despite still loving you and wanting to be with you, she just didn't want to fuck you any more?

Because we hear that one a lot too. 'I love her, I love our life and our family and everything, I just don't want to fuck her any more'.

I'm not expressing an opinion, my views on monogamy have been well documented in the past. I'm just asking you to tell me what you would think if it turned out she still loved sex, she still loved you, she just didn't want to combine the two.

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So long as she is not spending my money, and as long as I didn't find out, good luck to her.

When I finally get my dream job of being a male masseur/gigolo, who knows, we may meet under different circumstances. I have heard that this has happened when a punter books his wife unknowingly.

My problem would be if she started getting heaps of spare money to spend on shoes, dresses etc, and could not explain where the money came from.

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Partenered Gentlemen.

Something occured to me earlier.

I read quite often how some of you are happilly settled down - securely and snugly ensconced with Mrs Punternet Nickname.

You have a hobby that Mrs PN wouldnt approve of but of course what the little lady at home doesnt know can't hurt her right?.

My Hypothetical Cat among the Pigeons would be, if you found that your little lady at home was spending some of the housekeeping on a handsome hunk of a male escort, and not on Lottery scratch cards and Gin as you thought!

Lets say hes taller than you, (I'm guessing here) has his own hair and teeth ! Has a huge broad smooth muscular chest, and is perfectly hung.

He could be black or Asian, he could be east European or British that depends on your wife/partners hidden tastes in sexual playmate. Remember she can have anything she wants. He could be young 19 yr old student or an economic migrant from the east. Maybe a bit of rough maybe a toff rugger player!

She might even book two men at once to really have a good time. A "sausage du tois"

He gets an erection on request, and as you chaps sometimes say "Goes like a train". He can bang like a Judges hammer and like a back gate in the wind.

She chats to him about all the mundane things that get her down at home, She tells him how she loves her hubby, but he just cant satisfy her anymore, and just doesnt find him sexually attractive now the magic has faded.

When he has satisfied her, and thanked her for the expensive gift with a Kiss and they part, she makes her way home checking there are no telltale signs that she has been well and truly humped, and when she arrives home scores his performance on the website she secretly visits to find her sex mates.

No guilt trip intended but really, how would you feel about her and her hobby?

Mines already got all that.....

As well as charm, charisma, wit, and ooooodles of drive.

I'd go mad at her for wasting money, (that i could put to good use punting :eek:)

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So - What if (hypothetically of course) - you thought she had lost interest in sex, which promted you to punt.. but it actually emerged that she had lost interest in sex WITH YOU - despite still loving you and wanting to be with you, she just didn't want to fuck you any more?

Because we hear that one a lot too. 'I love her, I love our life and our family and everything, I just don't want to fuck her any more'.

I'm not expressing an opinion, my views on monogamy have been well documented in the past. I'm just asking you to tell me what you would think if it turned out she still loved sex, she still loved you, she just didn't want to combine the two.

I answered that one above but amplified.

At the time, I would have been seriously hacked off because I still wanted her and she said she wanted me, just a lot less often than I wanted her.

If OTOH she had still wanted sex, just not with me, I would have wanted a divorce so she could have what she needed and I could have what I needed.

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Partenered Gentlemen.

Something occured to me earlier.

I read quite often how some of you are happilly settled down - securely and snugly ensconced with Mrs Punternet Nickname.

You have a hobby that Mrs PN wouldnt approve of but of course what the little lady at home doesnt know can't hurt her right?.

My Hypothetical Cat among the Pigeons would be, if you found that your little lady at home was spending some of the housekeeping on a handsome hunk of a male escort, and not on Lottery scratch cards and Gin as you thought!

Lets say hes taller than you, (I'm guessing here) has his own hair and teeth ! Has a huge broad smooth muscular chest, and is perfectly hung.

He could be black or Asian, he could be east European or British that depends on your wife/partners hidden tastes in sexual playmate. Remember she can have anything she wants. He could be young 19 yr old student or an economic migrant from the east. Maybe a bit of rough maybe a toff rugger player!

She might even book two men at once to really have a good time. A "sausage du tois"

He gets an erection on request, and as you chaps sometimes say "Goes like a train". He can bang like a Judges hammer and like a back gate in the wind.

She chats to him about all the mundane things that get her down at home, She tells him how she loves her hubby, but he just cant satisfy her anymore, and just doesnt find him sexually attractive now the magic has faded.

When he has satisfied her, and thanked her for the expensive gift with a Kiss and they part, she makes her way home checking there are no telltale signs that she has been well and truly humped, and when she arrives home scores his performance on the website she secretly visits to find her sex mates.

No guilt trip intended but really, how would you feel about her and her hobby?

It's a good question Helen, and one I've often thought about. It's the sensual satisfaction that's missing from my relationship. If I found this out then, once we'd sat down and discussed it, and were both sure it was just a hobby and that the core of our relationship was sound, I think I'd feel okay about it. In some ways it would help, as it would take away my need to creep around the issue, hiding stuff and constantly looking over my shoulder.

I know it's very easy to say what I've just said about a purely hypothetical situation but, as I said, it is something I've given some thought to.

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I answered that one above but amplified.

At the time, I would have been seriously hacked off because I still wanted her and she said she wanted me, just a lot less often than I wanted her.

If OTOH she had still wanted sex, just not with me, I would have wanted a divorce so she could have what she needed and I could have what I needed.

So sex is more important than love, friendship, history, family, and a lifetime together? Or, it's NOT, if it's you having a shag elsewhere, but it IS, if it's her having a shag elsewhere?

Confused.

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So sex is more important than love, friendship, history, family, and a lifetime together? Or, it's NOT, if it's you having a shag elsewhere, but it IS, if it's her having a shag elsewhere?

Confused.

Hey, I am a bloke, we don't do "Complicated!!" !!

Anyway, there was a lot less history and lifetime when she went off sex.

Why is it that women always say "Love is what counts, not sex, I can't make love to someone I am not completely in love with, sex is not the be all and end all" and then go apeshit when you fuck their sister who you don't even like?? :eek:

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Hey, I am a bloke, we don't do "Complicated!!" !!

Anyway, there was a lot less history and lifetime when she went off sex.

Why is it that women always say "Love is what counts, not sex, I can't make love to someone I am not completely in love with, sex is not the be all and end all" and then go apeshit when you fuck their sister who you don't even like?? :eek:

Some women don't. That's why we're hookers.

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Partenered Gentlemen.

Something occured to me earlier.

I read quite often how some of you are happilly settled down - securely and snugly ensconced with Mrs Punternet Nickname.

You have a hobby that Mrs PN wouldnt approve of but of course what the little lady at home doesnt know can't hurt her right?.

My Hypothetical Cat among the Pigeons would be, if you found that your little lady at home was spending some of the housekeeping on a handsome hunk of a male escort, and not on Lottery scratch cards and Gin as you thought!

Lets say hes taller than you, (I'm guessing here) has his own hair and teeth ! Has a huge broad smooth muscular chest, and is perfectly hung.

He could be black or Asian, he could be east European or British that depends on your wife/partners hidden tastes in sexual playmate. Remember she can have anything she wants. He could be young 19 yr old student or an economic migrant from the east. Maybe a bit of rough maybe a toff rugger player!

She might even book two men at once to really have a good time. A "sausage du tois"

He gets an erection on request, and as you chaps sometimes say "Goes like a train". He can bang like a Judges hammer and like a back gate in the wind.

She chats to him about all the mundane things that get her down at home, She tells him how she loves her hubby, but he just cant satisfy her anymore, and just doesnt find him sexually attractive now the magic has faded.

When he has satisfied her, and thanked her for the expensive gift with a Kiss and they part, she makes her way home checking there are no telltale signs that she has been well and truly humped, and when she arrives home scores his performance on the website she secretly visits to find her sex mates.

No guilt trip intended but really, how would you feel about her and her hobby?

Your question will always remain hypothetical because there is no market in Britain for straight male escorts or non-sexual escorting. In fact, that is how scam agencies work by bamboozling impressionable people that there are thousands of women out there who want a man for a social event or that a man will pay hundreds of pounds on taking a woman, who's a complete stranger to him, to dinner without even expecting a kiss in return.

The sexual dynamics of men and women are different - men can separate love and sex as two different functions, women can't. Women will always yearn for romance - and if I am wrong about this - then where is the huge market for straight male escorts with women going punting ??????

It just doesn't exist.

Women prostitutes servicing men are different because they go on the game of their own free will and are in it for the money, so they know how to separate love and sex.

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If you have a happy, loving and sexually fulfilling relationship with your wife, why would one be punting - I know that I wouldn't. If these elements are missing from your relationship, particularly the first two, why would you care what your wife got up to?

I love sex with various ladies and am unwilling to be faithful and always have been which is why i have continued to punt through happy, loving and sexually fulfilling relationships.

I have also had open relationships where my partner did her thing and i did mine. The point is i knew it was just sex she was having, not an affair that could develop into an emotional bond and all that could entail and she knew the same.

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This has been done to death but, as you asked:

Bloody annoyed.

Before I decided to punt I spent a heck of a lot of time, money and energy trying to have a mutually satisfying sex life with my wife and she made it clear that although she liked (Maybe even "loved") sex with me, she only needed it at most once a month to start with and then eventually once every 3 months, 6 months, year, decade..............:eek:

Eventually, I told her that provided she asked me no questions she did not was truthfull answers to, I would "sort myself out for sex". We could carry on just having a lot of laughs and tenderness and living in the same house.

So then I started punting.

I am no saint but I would feel bloody annoyed because she could have told me that she still wanted sex, just not with me, I would definitely understand as that is exactly how I feel now.

Here, here Ghengis. My sentiments as well, although I didn't tell mrs ava what I was doing.

Mrs A is a bit older than me, and went off sex a few years ago, not completely but gradually, and now has no time for it.

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Guys!! Genuine question, exactly how difficult is it to use the "Quote" button?

I ask as you see so many posts fecked up

Actually, sometimes I use the Quote and notice after submitting that one of the parentheses has been missed out, leading to the kind of thing you see above.

It's only my slightly geeky nature that means that I vaguely understand the syntax, and so can "repair" the post.

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So - What if (hypothetically of course) - you thought she had lost interest in sex, which promted you to punt.. but it actually emerged that she had lost interest in sex WITH YOU - despite still loving you and wanting to be with you, she just didn't want to fuck you any more?

In my case, I found searches for "loss of sex drive" in my wife's browsing history - not "horny well-hung hunks".

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It is a very hypothetical question, but in the event that I discovered this I would say to her that as we are no longer "exclusive" we should either have an open relationship, or split up.

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I think its really offensive when blokes say they wouldn't put up with it from their wives and use the excuse that its ok for them cos they detach themselves emotionally! Can women not detach themselves also? Some of us do have lives outside of our husbands /partners!

I think Genghis had a fair point. if he tried everything and his wife still didnt want to know then i sort of think the wife 'deserves' it for want of a better word.

What i think is that the blokes who pay for sex cos they fancy it with a younger, fitter woman would in fact be mortified if their wives did it for the same reasons. I suspect most men wouldnt expect their wife to do it because they love them too much and possibly desire sex with anyone else.

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What i think is that the blokes who pay for sex cos they fancy it with a younger, fitter woman would in fact be mortified if their wives did it for the same reasons. I suspect most men wouldnt expect their wife to do it because they love them too much and possibly desire sex with anyone else.

I am in much the same boat as Ghenghis.

My wife isn't really interested in sex anymore. As is often the case, there are several reasons for this and I am sure one of them is having an ageing and overweight hubby.

If I discovered Mrs Juzz had sex with a younger and fitter bloke I wouldn't be mortified (that would make me a complete hypocrite). I would hope she had had some fun ('cos she aint at the moment). However, I would probably go on a crash diet, get myself fitter and try and rekindle the fire.

Hmmm... perhaps I could go on a keep fit regime and treat myself to a punt each time I lost 5lbs.

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... I'm just asking you to tell me what you would think if it turned out she still loved sex, she still loved you, she just didn't want to combine the two.

I'd be happy with it. When she thought she'd found Another Man to live with, I wasn't concerned about the 'ownership' and so forth, just whether she'd be ok.

And I think that when love includes sex it's a great but not a necessary part of that state.

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Well exactlyJuzz. It really does make me smile when men say they love their wives but dont fancy them anymore, therefore are paying for sex with girls that they do fancy. It works the other way too you know. In fact when i see most middle aged couples its the woman that generally looks the best and the blokes either is overweight or dresses terrible. Are we women meant to still fancy these blokes just cos we are so emotionally attached but blokes can happliy detach themselves. Im not talking about you by the way as you have basically said 'fair play' to your wife.

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Honestly, if she was playing away and getting the same thrill as me, and was able to see it as only sex and not forming an attachement for another, then i would be happy for her.

The need to see a pretty young lady for me, is going to make me a nicer and better person at home, so she gets a better partner, if it works the other way, and she gets what she needs from an escort of her choice, be it male or female, then fair play to her, and in the future I hope we can go punting together...each to their own.

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