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The Changing Face of the Forum

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I've really noticed in the last few months that this forum has changed, and it's got me thinking about a certain infamous taxi driver and his comments.

He's blinking right the forum has more ladies contributing then ever, and the guys are mostly what would be considered as 'fluffy'.......please do not take offence guys it wasn't meant that way.

Is this a reflection of the fact there are so many more ladies entering this line of work?Or a sign that fewer and fewer guys are wanting to contribute or post their opinions?

Personally I haven't been working very much recently for my own reasons, but when I do I've noticed things do seem to be changing. There are more guys accessing Escorts than ever, but those doing so are not really getting themselves informed and have the idea we are some sort of 'dating/sex chat' line, ie forgetting we are running a business like anyone else. That lack of information/research really comes over in their approach during the booking process.

I do think that internet plus mobile access becoming so cheap, that with free minutes/texts/emails it's made it much easier for everyone which is great, but it's also made it easier for those who think we are a joke to be taken advantage of much easier.

So two point for discussion here and funnily enough I'm missing the old JRC, even though I used to let him get to me!

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I've really noticed in the last few months that this forum has changed, and it's got me thinking about a certain infamous taxi driver and his comments.

He's blinking right the forum has more ladies contributing then ever, and the guys are mostly what would be considered as 'fluffy'.......please do not take offence guys it wasn't meant that way.

Is this a reflection of the fact there are so many more ladies entering this line of work?Or a sign that fewer and fewer guys are wanting to contribute or post their opinions?

Personally I haven't been working very much recently for my own reasons, but when I do I've noticed things do seem to be changing. There are more guys accessing Escorts than ever, but those doing so are not really getting themselves informed and have the idea we are some sort of 'dating/sex chat' line, ie forgetting we are running a business like anyone else. That lack of information/research really comes over in their approach during the booking process.

I do think that internet plus mobile access becoming so cheap, that with free minutes/texts/emails it's made it much easier for everyone which is great, but it's also made it easier for those who think we are a joke to be taken advantage of much easier.

So two point for discussion here and funnily enough I'm missing the old JRC, even though I used to let him get to me!

I agree more ladies are contributing in my view, i also notice more punters talking about feeling guilty and doing a lot of heart searching and in depth analysis of the reasons they punt, along with more newbies joining who have never punted and are looking for some advice. I dont think overall fewer guys are contributing, just different guys.

Personally i think JRC and a few others not posting at present brought an edge to the forum now lacking, but its up to them of course if they wish to post, JRC was nothing if not searingly honest and direct, perhaps too much so for some but i miss his constructive input.

What i dont agree with is an us and them scenario, be it punters versus WGs or trolls versus fluffies, i am as guilty of it on ocassion as some others, but i dont think its constructive. My view is condemn bad providers and praise good providers.

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I've really noticed in the last few months that this forum has changed, and it's got me thinking about a certain infamous taxi driver and his comments.

He's blinking right the forum has more ladies contributing then ever, and the guys are mostly what would be considered as 'fluffy'.......please do not take offence guys it wasn't meant that way.

Is this a reflection of the fact there are so many more ladies entering this line of work?Or a sign that fewer and fewer guys are wanting to contribute or post their opinions?

Personally I haven't been working very much recently for my own reasons, but when I do I've noticed things do seem to be changing. There are more guys accessing Escorts than ever, but those doing so are not really getting themselves informed and have the idea we are some sort of 'dating/sex chat' line, ie forgetting we are running a business like anyone else. That lack of information/research really comes over in their approach during the booking process.

I do think that internet plus mobile access becoming so cheap, that with free minutes/texts/emails it's made it much easier for everyone which is great, but it's also made it easier for those who think we are a joke to be taken advantage of much easier.

So two point for discussion here and funnily enough I'm missing the old JRC, even though I used to let him get to me!

I don't understand, Strawberry, are you saying you miss the friction and the sparks that would fly when men made mysogynistic comments ?

I could get into Alf Garnett mode.

Anything to oblige a lady.

:o

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I miss the differences in opinions. I don't think I would take things so personally if that returned as I've mellowed in my old age! I've also begun to understand why certain posters did get angry. Most providers on here are fairly genuine but you the punter do get misled out there.

Main trouble is that it's not really very good if we SPs started slagging off other SPs, dodgy or otherwise.

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I also think something Is lacking from the forum, I don't want this board to be a hookers fanclub, but also don't feel the need to be nasty to anyone. I for one would like to see JRC back posting regular again, unlike some members at least he's honest. I agree with Smiths, condemn bad providers and praise good providers.

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The only thing I found difficult was JRC 'telling' SPs how to do things. For instance a WG in London, Manchester, Preston and Lancaster even would be safe in showing their face on their website. There are ladies working in smaller communities for whom it would be counter-productive thus threatening their business as well as discretion for clients reasonably local (and this has been backed up through my experiences and things clients have said to me completely voluntarily).

Whilst some may scoff it is true so not fair to then say "don't see a girl who doesn't show her face". The result is guys then email putting pressure on you to send them face pics - or they won't see you. Well a couple hundred pound booking VS losing your entire business via being outed etc is not a good gamble. Hence why I would get quite upset at that opinion.

Now I'd just accept it and say fair enough, don't visit me. I do have another option these days though!

So that's just one example. Remember there are many lurkers and newbies on the forum so to make such statements does/can influence. Whilst that's good it could also be to someone's detriment.

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Main trouble is that it's not really very good if we SPs started slagging off other SPs, dodgy or otherwise

Why is that?

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So two point for discussion here and funnily enough I'm missing the old JRC, even though I used to let him get to me!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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I miss the differences in opinions. I don't think I would take things so personally if that returned as I've mellowed in my old age! I've also begun to understand why certain posters did get angry. Most providers on here are fairly genuine but you the punter do get misled out there.

Main trouble is that it's not really very good if we SPs started slagging off other SPs, dodgy or otherwise.

I completely disagree that its not really very good to slag off as you call it clear, known bad providers like the one Mike52 has a recent Sticky for. I havent posted on that thread as she doesnt operate in my area at present but if she did i would certainly post about it.

Condemning clear and blatant bad providers is in all our interests in my view, as is praising good providers without too much cheerleading of course.:o

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The only thing I found difficult was JRC 'telling' SPs how to do things. For instance a WG in London, Manchester, Preston and Lancaster even would be safe in showing their face on their website. There are ladies working in smaller communities for whom it would be counter-productive thus threatening their business as well as discretion for clients reasonably local (and this has been backed up through my experiences and things clients have said to me completely voluntarily).

Whilst some may scoff it is true so not fair to then say "don't see a girl who doesn't show her face". The result is guys then email putting pressure on you to send them face pics - or they won't see you. Well a couple hundred pound booking VS losing your entire business via being outed etc is not a good gamble. Hence why I would get quite upset at that opinion.

Now I'd just accept it and say fair enough, don't visit me. I do have another option these days though!

So that's just one example. Remember there are many lurkers and newbies on the forum so to make such statements does/can influence. Whilst that's good it could also be to someone's detriment.

Well exactly It's down to the escort whether she shows her face or not, Jimmy Is entitled to his view, to him there are plenty of ladies who show their face, so he will focus on them. Personally I haven't got a problem with blanked out faces, as long as the photos are genuine.

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I agree this forum has changed a lot since I first joined and began contributing and especially so in recent times. This I put down the the HH 'outing' of Punternet which bought attention to the website and forum to a lot of people who otherwise would not be aware of it's existence. Previously I think the membership was predominantly made up of more experienced punters and SPs as well as more experienced formistas as many members contribute to multiple online forums & generally understand how things work. There has been a influx of, erm, shall I say members with less experience which has been a good thing as it brought a lot of new opinions and raised a lot of old buried subjects to be re-examined when advice was asked. etc.

However my personal opinion, and the reason why I don't post here so much these days is that I find these forums to be over-moderated with the result that they generally seem to have become too watered down. As Ruth pointed out things have become very fluffy with everyone agreeing with each other and it being quite rare that a real discussion gets going for fear of someone sticking their head above the parapet and then getting put on pre-mod or banned for speaking their mind - or a moderator decides a thread it getting too lively and closing it.

These forums are not here for the benefit of moderators, they are here for the benefit of all and it's quite telling when someone with a bit of fire in their belly gets banned or disappears a thread then pops up with many many members saying what a shame it is that that person isn't around any more (Mrs Smith, Jimmy and no doubt others are all strong minds that have fallen by the wayside for daring to speak their thoughts a little too bluntly)..then then said thread is deleted shortly after. Granted PN is 'owned' by Galahad and it is up to him how he wants things to run & his mods essentially have a job to do to enforce his ideals but dictatorship is never a good idea. We are not children needing to be babysat and I do find it mildly annoying when I see the 'authorities' needlessly flexing their muscles in the threads and boards all the time.

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What I meant Smiths was whilst I do condemn any lady who rips 'punters' off, it's not really great for SPs themselves to start pulling each other to bits. It's not professional. I'm not against and support guys naming girls who are obviously scamming guys.

SPs can be in a difficult position as although we don't use our real names anything we do say then reflects on our business. As a result we generally don't slag each other off willy nilly and also discretion plus safety then means we can't just go around outing guys in the public domain.

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What I meant Smiths was whilst I do condemn any lady who rips 'punters' off, it's not really great for SPs themselves to start pulling each other to bits. It's not professional. I'm not against and support guys naming girls who are obviously scamming guys.

SPs can be in a difficult position as although we don't use our real names anything we do say then reflects on our business. As a result we generally don't slag each other off willy nilly and also discretion plus safety then means we can't just go around outing guys in the public domain.

Thanks for your clear clarification Strawberry.:o:)

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I've noticed a real drop in the number of people posting on all forums, but I'd be willing to stand corrected vis a vis pnet, since I don't follow it very much. From my perspective, I'll occasionally put in my 2 cents, but forums often just don't work as a means of advertising. I have no idea whether they ever did, but I think now this is definitely not the case. Most of my clients are not even aware that forums exist.

Blogs are becoming a much more powerful way to advertise, and provide a way for punters to get to know an escort's personality before booking. Punters no longer have to trawl through hundreds of posts to get an idea of what sort of person the girl is, since with a blog it is all there. I don't get very many hits at all to my blog, but those who do go to the trouble of visiting usually book.

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I do agree with Strawberry that the forum has got a lot more people on it with a guilt trip going on.

Maybe a lot more newbies to punting and younger guys?

Not the same as before where it was more straight forward punters.

Yeah and where is JRC?

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I agree this forum has changed a lot since I first joined and began contributing and especially so in recent times. This I put down the the HH 'outing' of Punternet which bought attention to the website and forum to a lot of people who otherwise would not be aware of it's existence. Previously I think the membership was predominantly made up of more experienced punters and SPs as well as more experienced formistas as many members contribute to multiple online forums & generally understand how things work. There has been a influx of, erm, shall I say members with less experience which has been a good thing as it brought a lot of new opinions and raised a lot of old buried subjects to be re-examined when advice was asked. etc.

However my personal opinion, and the reason why I don't post here so much these days is that I find these forums to be over-moderated with the result that they generally seem to have become too watered down. As Ruth pointed out things have become very fluffy with everyone agreeing with each other and it being quite rare that a real discussion gets going for fear of someone sticking their head above the parapet and then getting put on pre-mod or banned for speaking their mind - or a moderator decides a thread it getting too lively and closing it.

These forums are not here for the benefit of moderators, they are here for the benefit of all and it's quite telling when someone with a bit of fire in their belly gets banned or disappears a thread then pops up with many many members saying what a shame it is that that person isn't around any more (Mrs Smith, Jimmy and no doubt others are all strong minds that have fallen by the wayside for daring to speak their thoughts a little too bluntly)..then then said thread is deleted shortly after. Granted PN is 'owned' by Galahad and it is up to him how he wants things to run & his mods essentially have a job to do to enforce his ideals but dictatorship is never a good idea. We are not children needing to be babysat and I do find it mildly annoying when I see the 'authorities' needlessly flexing their muscles in the threads and boards all the time.

good post

take the shower thread for example, and the one where a punter started a thread because an escort on here had let him down(cant remember the exact story, but it was recent). both were quite interesting threads but were both closed once things got apparently heated. maybe people are just reluctant to give their honest views because they would possibly get banned

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Part of it is simply that we've debated some topics over and over - now hopefully in the knowledge that we'll never persuade everyone to our view - so we become slightly disinterested when a particular topic comes up again.

There have been a few threads lately where the second post begins "Oh god, not another thread on ......". They're great help to newbies, but those posters who've been posting for a year or two (or much less in my case) can (understandably) find them dull.

I've noticed that I spend more time than ever in Off-Topic now. However, the main on-topic forum is still the one where I read things that make me burst out laughing, spray coffee all over the laptop, and then swear loudly as I try to mop it up whilst avoiding electrocution :o

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maybe people are just reluctant to give their honest views because they would possibly get banned

Judging from the adverse publicity that abounds at present, I would imagine that having a forum that does it's level best to provide a platform for both sides of this business to engage without fear of insult is probably the best way forward. Moderators "ban" members, people like JRC force members away.

IMHO

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Personally, I miss misogynist unpleasant racist narrow minded posters like a trepan in the head. It takes a lot to get banned from this board. Anyone not liking the 'house style of moderating' can vote with their feet/fingers. I do not think a bigoted BNP supporter flouncing off in a puff/huff or a venomous South African crack pot who hates all non whites and outed other WGs contributed much to an intelligent debate, except perhaps for those that liked car crash entertainment from a totally damaged woman who would post bizarre ramblings when drunk! People like that sadly reinforced warped media perceptions of drugged whores. There are still enough posters with very bizarre ideas about women left.

And there are also enough irritating neurotic ladies remaining... :o

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I do agree with Strawberry that the forum has got a lot more people on it with a guilt trip going on.

One suspects that some posters have discovered that it's cheaper than visiting an analyst!

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Judging from the adverse publicity that abounds at present, I would imagine that having a forum that does it's level best to provide a platform for both sides of this business to engage without fear of insult is probably the best way forward. Moderators "ban" members, people like JRC force members away.

IMHO

I agree .. Jimmy just said the same old thing over and over again .. like an old long playing record stuck in a grove .... :) ... but funny thing is ... I miss him ... :o

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Part of it is simply that we've debated some topics over and over - now hopefully in the knowledge that we'll never persuade everyone to our view - so we become slightly disinterested when a particular topic comes up again.

There have been a few threads lately where the second post begins "Oh god, not another thread on ......". They're great help to newbies, but those posters who've been posting for a year or two (or much less in my case) can (understandably) find them dull.

I've noticed that I spend more time than ever in Off-Topic now. However, the main on-topic forum is still the one where I read things that make me burst out laughing, spray coffee all over the laptop, and then swear loudly as I try to mop it up whilst avoiding electrocution :o

In my view there is no point getting upset if a thread is repeated as many are on a regular basis. As you say some are of use to newbies who have never read them before and sometimes these newbies bring a new angle or take on the subject. If they are of no interest dont read or post on them is what i do.

It always amuses me when a poster doesnt like a particular thread and makes snide comments on the thread rather than either posting something constructive or ignoring it.

What is always good to see is a totally or virtually unique thread covering a subject that has never or rarely been covered on here, they dont happen often unfortunately in my experience sadly.:)

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Do we know for a fact that Mrs Smith and James the Cab got banned? I certainly thought Mrs Smith just got fed up of it all. Anyway sadly missed as is Nik (although doesn't Nik still post occasionally when the spirit moves him?)

I think its still a very worthwhile forum, and I don't agree that practically all the threads have "everybody agreeing"... the disagreements have just become much politer and less personalized. In some ways its better... but for the by-standers much less entertaining I suspect.

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Do we know for a fact that Mrs Smith and James the Cab got banned? I certainly thought Mrs Smith just got fed up of it all. Anyway sadly missed as is Nik (although doesn't Nik still post occasionally when the spirit moves him?)

I think its still a very worthwhile forum, and I don't agree that practically all the threads have "everybody agreeing"... the disagreements have just become much politer and less personalized. In some ways its better... but for the by-standers much less entertaining I suspect.

Mrs Smith was banned, JRC hasnt been as far as i know.

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Personally, I miss misogynist unpleasant racist narrow minded posters like a trepan in the head. It takes a lot to get banned from this board. Anyone not liking the 'house style of moderating' can vote with their feet/fingers. I do not think a bigoted BNP supporter flouncing off in a puff/huff or a venomous South African crack pot who hates all non whites and outed other WGs contributed much to an intelligent debate, except perhaps for those that liked car crash entertainment from a totally damaged woman who would post bizarre ramblings when drunk! People like that sadly reinforced warped media perceptions of drugged whores. There are still enough posters with very bizarre ideas about women left.

With all due respect if any member does not want to read posts by another they can simply add that poster to their ignore list and not be bothered or offended while allowing other members to continue to read what these people write. If we have moderators deciding whose opinions and posts we can and can not read then what's the point of having the ignore feature at all?

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