Helen Jones

New slant on picture theft !

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Its about to become legalised in a roundabout way.

You'll have heard of the Digital Economy Bill: it introduces powers to cut your Internet connection if you're caught illegally downloading films, music or software. It does more than that. It takes your photographs from you, too.

Until now, if someone found one of your photographs and wanted to use it commercially, they couldn't without first asking you. Clause 43 changes all that by allowing the use of “Orphan Works” - photographs, illustrations and other artworks whose owners cannot be found.

Datastripping an image is easy. Claiming it is orphaned is just as easy.

Digital ecomony bill explained

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That is very worrying. :eek:

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Already discussed here:

http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28747

It's really disgraceful, especially when you consider what happens when Joe Bloggs gets caught downloading music from torrentz etc... the hypocrisy is astounding... you couldn't make it up.

And indeed, you can prolly also wave good bye to open access wi-fi in hotels etc due to the same bill:

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/the-death-of-open-wifi

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Already discussed here:

http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28747

It's really disgraceful, especially when you consider what happens when Joe Bloggs gets caught downloading music from torrentz etc... the hypocrisy is astounding... you couldn't make it up.

And indeed, you can prolly also wave good bye to open access wi-fi in hotels etc due to the same bill:

http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/the-death-of-open-wifi

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Apolgies to Irgendeiner I hadn't seen that post.

This bill suggests itself to be a forerunner of laws designed to reign in the internet. Perhaps Harman was inadvertantly hinting at a wider picture Maybe of plans in the pipeline!

Creeping legislation is a mighty tool for Governments to implement all sorts of things they wouldnt try in a lump sum.

Look at the spread of C.C.T.V. and laws excused by the terrorism act. Put the fear of god into the public -then come to the rescue with legislation to make things better ! We must be shamefully gullible.

Anyway yes its a bloody disgrace.

I have no doubt new media companies will arise offering orphaned material, They would have no qualms about datastripping an image or tune to claim it to sell for themselves.

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Apolgies to Irgendeiner I hadn't seen that post.

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Anyway yes its a bloody disgrace.

Milady is too kind! Apology accepted with the same grace with which you accepted mine recently!

The point that I was making is that our (delightful) little corner of the world is not the only one which is being attacked by badly drafted and not thought through legislation by the current gang.

My big fear is that people won't bother to vote, because Dave C's team are really not that impressive, which Hattie & Co will take as a ringing vote in her favour, and then, God help us all!

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My big fear is that people won't bother to vote, because Dave C's team are really not that impressive, which Hattie & Co will take as a ringing vote in her favour, and then, God help us all!

You know I'm feeling a little bit like that myself. One thing New Labour has done for me is to open my eyes to the hypocrasy,scaremongering and downright dishonesty of ALL the political parties.

Harry Harmans "terminator" outburst simply assured me that the labour party couldnt think before it opened its big mouth, That speech was the Labour party ns microcosym ......The party of public manipulation by piss and wind. She illustrated it beautifuly with her blustering threats.

The Wintertons did it for the Conservatives with his "differnt type of people " gaff,

He whosoever promises escort services on the NHS will get my vote;)

Seriously though I dont want to waste a vote people have actually given their lives for, but I've reached the point of finding it hard to decide on a party worthy of that vote.

Maybe its time to rethink traditionalism when it comes to casting a vote and think more toward the Independents.

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You know I'm feeling a little bit like that myself. One thing New Labour has done for me is to open my eyes to the hypocrasy,scaremongering and downright dishonesty of ALL the political parties.

Harry Harmans "terminator" outburst simply assured me that the labour party couldnt think before it opened its big mouth, That speech was the Labour party ns microcosym ......The party of public manipulation by piss and wind. She illustrated it beautifuly with her blustering threats.

The Wintertons did it for the Conservatives with his "differnt type of people " gaff,

He whosoever promises escort services on the NHS will get my vote;)

Seriously though I dont want to waste a vote people have actually given their lives for, but I've reached the point of finding it hard to decide on a party worthy of that vote.

Maybe its time to rethink traditionalism when it comes to casting a vote and think more toward the Independents.

If none of the candidates inspire, you could always get your message across by writing a polite :eek: message on your ballot paper

and thus spoil your vote but still make a point.

I'm not sure what facility there will be for such protest when the technological juggernaut of electronic voting is thrust upon us, I suspect there has been no thought given to such niceties as protest.

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Apolgies to Irgendeiner I hadn't seen that post.

This bill suggests itself to be a forerunner of laws designed to reign in the internet. Perhaps Harman was inadvertantly hinting at a wider picture Maybe of plans in the pipeline!

Creeping legislation is a mighty tool for Governments to implement all sorts of things they wouldnt try in a lump sum.

Look at the spread of C.C.T.V. and laws excused by the terrorism act. Put the fear of god into the public -then come to the rescue with legislation to make things better ! We must be shamefully gullible.

Anyway yes its a bloody disgrace.

I have no doubt new media companies will arise offering orphaned material, They would have no qualms about datastripping an image or tune to claim it to sell for themselves.

Some (many) argue that the bill is in itself the means to reign in the internet. See for example:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/18/government_to_control_the_web/

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the technological juggernaut of electronic voting is thrust upon us, I suspect there has been no thought given to such niceties as protest.

And if anyone wonders why the Gov want high speed broadband and a computer in every home A.S.A.P. I suspect his holiness has hit the nail somewhere around the head!

P.S. Paid for by the working muggins who will pay a 50p levy on landlines.

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And if anyone wonders why the Gov want high speed broadband and a computer in every home A.S.A.P. I suspect his holiness has hit the nail somewhere around the head!

P.S. Paid for by the working muggins who will pay a 50p levy on landlines.

What people may not realise is that the government are introducing small incremental steps towards a totalitarian state. Meanwhile while they introduce laws to erode our rights, most of us are watching x-factor...

20 Signs That The U.K. Has Become The Most Oppressive Big Brother Society On Earth article.

http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2009/12/01/20-signs-that-the-u-k-has-become-the-mos-1

A video called 'Open your mind and see everything how it really is'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLoK3Xo4qQg&feature=player_embedded

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most of us are watching x-factor...

I'm not a great fan of the Xfactor.......but have you ever tried watching that Parliament channel?

Its a conspiracy I tell you!

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I'm not a great fan of the Xfactor.......but have you ever tried watching that Parliament channel?

Its a conspiracy I tell you!

Yes I have. Does not tell you much though...

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In case you missed it.....which we all probably did.!

Clause 48 has been rejected.

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A typo, Helen! But thank-you, and, indeed, I'd missed it! The BBC which warmly supports the orphan works idea, didn't think it necessary to mention it! It was Clause 43, not 48, but, yes you are right, it is now omitted!

"Provisions in relation to extending copyright licensing and orphan works have also been removed."

A prudent decision, but, in the unlikely (but possible, with a low turn out) event of the current gang returning to office, Mandy will certainly be determined to bring it back, citing a non-existent "overwhelming popular mandate"!

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What people may not realise is that the government are introducing small incremental steps towards a totalitarian state. Meanwhile while they introduce laws to erode our rights, most of us are watching x-factor...

20 Signs That The U.K. Has Become The Most Oppressive Big Brother Society On Earth article.

http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2009/12/01/20-signs-that-the-u-k-has-become-the-mos-1

A video called 'Open your mind and see everything how it really is'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLoK3Xo4qQg&feature=player_embedded

I love the David Icke videos. That bloke speaks a lot of truth, and the governments don't like it.

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I love the David Icke videos. That bloke speaks a lot of truth, and the governments don't like it.

Totally, he speaks so much sense. It's a pity more people are not prepared to listen

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What people may not realise is that the government are introducing small incremental steps towards a totalitarian state. Meanwhile while they introduce laws to erode our rights, most of us are watching x-factor...

20 Signs That The U.K. Has Become The Most Oppressive Big Brother Society On Earth article.

http://www.a-w-i-p.com/index.php/2009/12/01/20-signs-that-the-u-k-has-become-the-mos-1

A video called 'Open your mind and see everything how it really is'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLoK3Xo4qQg&feature=player_embedded

here's another one:

Cartoon Law goes live, Time to burn your Japanese comics

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/06/cartoon_law_live/

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A typo, Helen! But thank-you, and, indeed, I'd missed it! The BBC which warmly supports the orphan works idea, didn't think it necessary to mention it! It was Clause 43, not 48, but, yes you are right, it is now omitted!

"Provisions in relation to extending copyright licensing and orphan works have also been removed."

A prudent decision, but, in the unlikely (but possible, with a low turn out) event of the current gang returning to office, Mandy will certainly be determined to bring it back, citing a non-existent "overwhelming popular mandate"!

Yes 43. My inbox is full of spam from the 43 organisers, how I got it wrong I don't know.

I'm just glad there was an Alpha mule around to correct the typo.

Thank you.

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