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This FR refers to "imported women". Are they trafficked?

http://www.punternet.com/frs/fr_view.php?recnum=97040

I don't think you'll get an answer & let's be honest, everyone will have a different opinion.

Is every East European WG "trafficked"? Is every Asian WG "trafficked?

Being as responsible as I can be, I do my best to research WGs that provide a great service and are happy to provide those services, not coerced to provide them. For me, I try well reported British WGs as far as possible and well documented & reported WGs elsewhere.

Apart from the obvious signs of an unhappy WG not really wanting to deliver a service, how can you ever know for sure without being told?

I've left my money & walked on a few punts when trafficking has been obvious, poor health (drug use & alcoholism) has been obvious & when I've spotted excessive bruising. It always concerns me when I read FR's when somebody states "She hardly spoke any English, but I'm not there to chat".

That's my slant on it FWIW.

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This FR refers to "imported women". Are they trafficked?

http://www.punternet.com/frs/fr_view.php?recnum=97040

A strange FR and had the chap not done so many I would have said he was trying to get them a visit. Male showed him through secure door to imported women. Hardly the most comforting of lines.

Imported would imply brought in for a purpose and this is what trafficked means to most.

I know a place that imports Indian women. They work in a 3 month rotation. Brought in and then sent home. They are paid £300 for their trouble and then sent home to make linens for £1 a week. Horrendous to all but they are all fighting for a place or so I am told.

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I know a place that imports Indian women. They work in a 3 month rotation. Brought in and then sent home. They are paid £300 for their trouble and then sent home to make linens for £1 a week. Horrendous to all but they are all fighting for a place or so I am told.

Some figures are from 1970. Minimum amount any Indian WG will ask for 3 months work will be atleast 3000 pounds and minimum salary for any work will not be less than 20 pounds a week. In fact WG will earn much more in India than UK. Average costs for a escort (of quality who could work in UK) per hour in India can be pound 40 to 80 per hour. If is only the girls who work in Massage parlour in India who work for 5 to 10 pound an hour. But these are not the types you can get to UK and work.

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Some figures are from 1970. Minimum amount any Indian WG will ask for 3 months work will be atleast 3000 pounds and minimum salary for any work will not be less than 20 pounds a week. In fact WG will earn much more in India than UK. Average costs for a escort (of quality who could work in UK) per hour in India can be pound 40 to 80 per hour. If is only the girls who work in Massage parlour in India who work for 5 to 10 pound an hour. But these are not the types you can get to UK and work.

A couple of points that don't stack up,

1. If you are correct and they would not come here, but they do, and as stated at the above rate of £800 per 3 months (assuming his facts are correct)

2. You have forgotten the corruption in India, if a girl earnt £60 an hour she would have to pay the police and other officials £59 an hour to operate, so back to £1 an hour.

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2. You have forgotten the corruption in India, if a girl earnt £60 an hour she would have to pay the police and other officials £59 an hour to operate, so back to £1 an hour.

Interesting exchange between you and 'Mumbai Cop' - could you BOTH be right?

Personally, I would love to see the numbers of LEGAL Indian WGs (emigrees as well as British-born) here expand. The conflict of cultural influences (within the WG's own mind) that can arise during a love-making session add a certain excitement to the proceedings - how far can she/will she let her body and feelings go - that provide a strong stimulus to give my own best effort. Indian Palace resolves this question for the punter in advance, which is one reason that I would never use them, but meeting a beautiful Indian WG for the first time can be a mind-blowing experience!:P

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Interesting exchange between you and 'Mumbai Cop' - could you BOTH be right?

"The conflict of cultural influences (within the WG's own mind) that can arise during a love-making session add a certain excitement to the proceedings - how far can she/will she let her body and feelings go - that provide a strong stimulus to give my own best effort "

Hahaha - brilliant :P

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A couple of points that don't stack up,

1. If you are correct and they would not come here, but they do, and as stated at the above rate of £800 per 3 months (assuming his facts are correct)

2. You have forgotten the corruption in India, if a girl earnt £60 an hour she would have to pay the police and other officials £59 an hour to operate, so back to £1 an hour.

Let us forget the rates WG will get when Imported from India. But I know in my own experience where a ordinary looking WG in India charges INR 25,000 for 1 month when we take her to some other place to work. That is about 300 pounds. She may come to UK in same price because she may like to see a new country, enjoy with white guys.

And there is not so much corruption in India. WG hardly ever pay to police any bribes. It is the pimp or the brothel owner who pay them every week to prevent raids. This amount can be from 50 to 100 pounds a week for small brothels employing 6-8 girls. Independent girls are mostly never caught or let off for a small fine and 1 shot free.

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Let us forget the rates WG will get when Imported from India. But I know in my own experience where a ordinary looking WG in India charges INR 25,000 for 1 month when we take her to some other place to work. That is about 300 pounds. She may come to UK in same price because she may like to see a new country, enjoy with white guys.

And there is not so much corruption in India. WG hardly ever pay to police any bribes. It is the pimp or the brothel owner who pay them every week to prevent raids. This amount can be from 50 to 100 pounds a week for small brothels employing 6-8 girls. Independent girls are mostly never caught or let off for a small fine and 1 shot free.

I'm guessing the status of brothels / prostitution is illegal in Mumbai. Is that the case ?

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And there is not so much corruption in India. .

Now we all know you're a wind up

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Prostitution is not illegal in India. But pimpimg and forceing someone to work as a prostitute is illegal. Also brothel keeping is illegal but is tolerated in some areas where there are brothels for last 150 years or so. They are a legacy of british raj. Also the punter is also at fault if he is involved with a forced prostitute. In fact it similar to new laws is UK. We have had those law for ages. But curruption helps sometimes:D

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But I know in my own experience where a ordinary looking WG in India charges INR 25,000 for 1 month when we take her to some other place to work. .

Sorry, I'm being thick here.:P:confused: Who is 'we'? A single client or a brothel owner?

Elsewhere you've been quoting rates of GBP40-80/hr for an escort in India...... & much higher for moonlighting models, actresses etc. So I don't quite get where the INR25000 = GBP300 comes in.

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Also the punter is also at fault if he is involved with a forced prostitute. In fact it similar to new laws is UK. We have had those law for ages. But curruption helps sometimes:D

That's a bit of a strange comment? Are you saying that it's ok to punt with a forced girl as long as the local police have been paid off?

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Some figures are from 1970. Minimum amount any Indian WG will ask for 3 months work will be atleast 3000 pounds and minimum salary for any work will not be less than 20 pounds a week. In fact WG will earn much more in India than UK. Average costs for a escort (of quality who could work in UK) per hour in India can be pound 40 to 80 per hour. If is only the girls who work in Massage parlour in India who work for 5 to 10 pound an hour. But these are not the types you can get to UK and work.

It does not matter what she charges it is the amount she ends up with I am talking about. These are not girls that can demand their price they are taken from small remote villages where they do not know what 300 pounds look like. This is what happens with imported women.

Indian girls are beautiful I agree but sadly as there is a premium attached to them there is a good market for their flesh and most of this trading is done in circles we will never find out about on boards, adverts or even via the internet. These are the real live forced girls.

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Sorry, I'm being thick here.:P:confused: Who is 'we'? A single client or a brothel owner?

Elsewhere you've been quoting rates of GBP40-80/hr for an escort in India...... & much higher for moonlighting models, actresses etc. So I don't quite get where the INR25000 = GBP300 comes in.

The price when a group of guys or brothel owner book them for 1 month. They dont have to pay anything to police etc. The person who book them will bear all these costs and travel and food too.

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The price when a group of guys or brothel owner book them for 1 month. They dont have to pay anything to police etc. The person who book them will bear all these costs and travel and food too.

Thanks but sorry, I'm still not clear. The group of guy presumably hire the girl because they want her sexually. Are they all then entitled to as much sex as they want for the month? The brothel presumably hires her to its clients.

But, who gets the £300? The girl? Or some other 'owner'?

And, if she is hired by a brothel owner in India, does she then also get money for each client, or is the £300 a month's 'salary' irrespective of the number of clients?

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That's a bit of a strange comment? Are you saying that it's ok to punt with a forced girl as long as the local police have been paid off?

I am not ok with a forced girl. But I have following experiences in Mumbai:

1) I booked a girl in a local brothel for 30 mins. The girls here are usually very quiet, hardly talk in beginning and so this girl like others entered the room and undressed. I had booked another girl too for a duo session. The other girl started to give OWO while this girl sat near my face and allowed me to fondle her boobs. Since she was too quite and did no response at anything I asked her if she was ok. She was still quite. So I asked the other girl who was quite normal and giving OWO what was wrong with her. To this she told that this girl had just joined 2-3 days ago to the profession due to some financial trouble and she was feeling too ashamed of doing this for money. She was not forced by anyone but her financial status. I told the girl to dress up and leave. The girl refused saying she had to learn all this to earn and insisted in staying there for full 30 mins. I had to just keep her sitting there as I could not touch her anymore knowing how she felt.

After 2-3 weeks I went to same place again. This girl was again there. I did not think of booking her. But she came up to me and asked me to book her and promised a good service. I booked her anyways and found she had come over all this and had a really good session. She also thanked me for booking her as she needed money and she will get it only if she could service 5-6 clients everday.

2) This one is different. The girl I know very well as I have booked her more than 30-40 times in single/duo sessions. She told me that she was a forced prostitute for 3 years before she managed to run from the brothel and became a unforced prostitute. She continues same job, but now she keeps what she earns.

3) I once went to a place for my business work not for punting. I went to the hotel room to take some measurements of windows and grill that they wanted to change and what I saw was horrifying. I saw that they had actually had cuffed the girls in rooms to bed to stop them from escaping. I was told to ignore them as it was none of my business. I left the place after my measurements were done, and after 2 weeks or so called up my colleagues and got the place raided and girls rescued. But I doubt if anyone else would have done so knowing the mafia involved in the trade. For me it is simple as I don't need to make any complaints to police, I can just call up the number as and anonymous informer. I did not get the place raided same day as they would doubt it was me and harass me for rest of my life.

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3) I once went to a place for my business work not for punting. I went to the hotel room to take some measurements of windows and grill that they wanted to change and what I saw was horrifying. I saw that they had actually had cuffed the girls in rooms to bed to stop them from escaping. I was told to ignore them as it was none of my business. I left the place after my measurements were done, and after 2 weeks or so called up my colleagues and got the place raided and girls rescued. But I doubt if anyone else would have done so knowing the mafia involved in the trade. For me it is simple as I don't need to make any complaints to police, I can just call up the number as and anonymous informer. I did not get the place raided same day as they would doubt it was me and harass me for rest of my life.

I wonder how much emotional damage was caused to the girls in the time you needed to protect yourself?

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I wonder how much emotional damage was caused to the girls in the time you needed to protect yourself?

Atleast I did it in the end. Most will never do it ever, if you know what is mumbai mafia, then make the statement.

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Atleast I did it in the end. Most will never do it ever, if you know what is mumbai mafia, then make the statement.
These people are not Bihari. They are chancers and nobodies. Fancy "allowing" a decorator to see trafficked girls lying prostrate and handcuffed :P

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Atleast I did it in the end. Most will never do it ever, if you know what is mumbai mafia, then make the statement.

Well done. When you read some of the field reports here, you see people who probably should report incidents (and could do so with impunity) but don't. At least you acted and acted intelligently.

Jack

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These people are not Bihari. They are chancers and nobodies. Fancy "allowing" a decorator to see trafficked girls lying prostrate and handcuffed :P

She was not on the bed. She was sitting on the floor and handcuffed to bed. In fact I saw in more than 1 room. Don't expect me to upload a picture of the same. These guys fear no one. Visit mumbai's kamathipura anyday and you will see what is bonded girls and trafickking. HH has no idea of that. She feels girls working in UK brothel of freewill are trafickked. What I mean by bonded girls is that these girls are actually raped each time by client or submit to sex because they will be beaten to death if they refuse. No one in UK will even visit such places. But India still has such few places and the customers to these place come from abroad. Where from? Don't ask a new debate will explode.

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