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Are Outcalls Safer?

Are outcalls 'safer' given the new legislation that came into effect on 1st April?   1 member has voted

  1. 1. Are outcalls 'safer' given the new legislation that came into effect on 1st April?

    • Yes it is fundamentally more difficult to prevent someone from paying for sex in their own home.
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    • No, you could still easily be prosecuted.
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    • There is little chance either way but using an agency apartment / parlour is more hazardous.
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    • There is no chance either way.
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I've been reading a few threads here about the recent changes in the law, and just wanted to gauge people's opinion on the following: do you think if you get a girl to visit your apartment you are 'safer'; ie less likely to get you in trouble with 'the law', than if you visit a girl in an agency's apartment? I would have thought the answer is 'yes', and I feel 99.99% certain that it would be impossible to convict someone in these circumstances, but I would be interested to hear the opinions of those wiser than myself. And those who are less wise, if anyone of that unfortunate description exists. I have tried to do a poll too, which I have never done before. So if it's worked, please feel free to fill it in!

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I found outcalls much more safer compared to the brothels which I find it too dangerous and unsafe.

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I think it must be safer with an outcall. Premises are extremely unlikely ( nigh impossible ) to have been targetted by PC Plod as could be the case with a brothel. The only very, very remote possibility of there being a problem would be if a wg provided information to the police, or they got your details from one AND she was one who fitted within the category that was illegal to see under the new law AND she was prepared to give evidence against you. Only in the unlikeliest of circumstances where there may be photographic or video evidence of your meeting would that change. Otherwise, even if the girl was prepared to give evidence, it would only be your word against hers as to what had actually occurred at the appointment. Very little likelihood of any repercussions from an outcall in my view. The CPS would not want to waste resources on a court case with precious little chance of a conviction.

By the way, Jethro, congratulations on Stevenage's promotion.

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They will be safer as it will only be yourself / the girl that potentially attracts police attention, where as a brothel is likely to attract police attention, as are potentially other clients and other girls.

At best if the police raided your house they may be able to pin on you going with a "forced girl" and the likelyhood of that is very small.

Where as if they raid a brothel they can nick the maid, the owners the management, and potentially have numerous customers to consider,and whenever they raid a brothel they nearly always seem to find drugs, as such a brothel is a much more lucrative prospect for the police to raid.

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......whenever they raid a brothel they nearly always seem to find drugs, as such a brothel is a much more lucrative prospect for the police to raid.

I don't think that it's fair to say that the Police nearly always seem to find drugs.

What may make a brothel more lucrative is cash found at the brothel and the assets of the brothel owner ie. Proceeds of Crime Act 2002 and confiscation orders.

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Do you guys feel comfortable bringing the lady to you apartment/house?

I would have thought bringing them to a Hotal room would be safer?

Do most of you guys who organise outcalls bring them to your apartment or do you book a hotel room?

Another question which may be relevant...

Do you guys organise outcalls with independants or do you think it is safe/just as safe to organise an outcall via an agency?

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They will be safer as it will only be yourself / the girl that potentially attracts police attention, where as a brothel is likely to attract police attention, as are potentially other clients and other girls.

At best if the police raided your house they may be able to pin on you going with a "forced girl" and the likelyhood of that is very small.

Where as if they raid a brothel they can nick the maid, the owners the management, and potentially have numerous customers to consider,and whenever they raid a brothel they nearly always seem to find drugs, as such a brothel is a much more lucrative prospect for the police to raid.

Surely, the police would need a warrant to come into your house?

Or would they dress it up in "suspected illegal activity".

Plus how would they prove you've paid if you and the girl say you haven't?

Jx

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Yes just like they need a warrant to raid a brothell.

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I've been reading a few threads here about the recent changes in the law, and just wanted to gauge people's opinion on the following: do you think if you get a girl to visit your apartment you are 'safer'; ie less likely to get you in trouble with 'the law', than if you visit a girl in an agency's apartment? I would have thought the answer is 'yes', and I feel 99.99% certain that it would be impossible to convict someone in these circumstances, but I would be interested to hear the opinions of those wiser than myself. And those who are less wise, if anyone of that unfortunate description exists. I have tried to do a poll too, which I have never done before. So if it's worked, please feel free to fill it in!

it makes no difference either way. The law makes no mention of the premises involved. Obviously it may be safer in that sex slaves are less likely to be sent on outcalls where they're out of the pimp's control; and also the police are less likely to raid your house as they'd need to get the warrant at very short notice - unlike a brothel/fixed premises where they can get it at their leisure and do the raid when they feel like it.

So it would be logistically less likely and, I believe, the woman would be less likely to be covered by the legislation but the law itself applies equally to brothels/home visits.

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This thread is screaching out 'paranoia' :eek::rolleyes: fgs

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This thread is screaching out 'paranoia' :eek::rolleyes: fgs

I would have agreed until I read the thread below this one on "Police Harassment" :D

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I would have agreed until I read the thread below this one on "Police Harassment" :eek:

I just read a brief bit of this, 'police harassment'.

There are millions of sex workers in Britain. There are millions of punters.

The police would need something substantial to arrest you.

They would need proof. I have never ever heard of anyone being arrested in their own home for having sex.

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Some of me still says it is safer with a women who works for a good agency, either incall or outcall, than with an independent.

I feel that with a good agency they will have made ssome checks, and they now the industry and the feed back from the other women working with her.

With an unknown independent, whether incall or outcall you have no idea what the womens circumstances are.

Lets face it the control for gain legislation (which this is not) was from an independent escort with her own website who was being coerced and pimped by her boy friend and could easily fall under the current new legislation.

Now how do you choose the agency???

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Do most of you guys who organise outcalls bring them to your apartment or do you book a hotel room?

I have had them come to my apartment, I find it more comfortable, and I think the risks involved are minimal. Plus it costs less than a hotel room.

Do you guys organise outcalls with independants or do you think it is safe/just as safe to organise an outcall via an agency?

There is no way of knowing for sure. I would say if you manage to get a reliable agency it is probably more reliable than independents, but this is very unfair to all the women who work independently, and do a good job. Ultimately, there is no cast iron answer to this question, that's why it's called 'punting'.

This thread is screaching out 'paranoia'

I take your point Natasha. But just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you! It is highly unlikely that anything will happen to you in your own home, I can agree with that. But perhaps your own dealings with the police have been rather different to mine. My experience is they can be relied upon to slavishly apply the law in the most impractical of circumstances, or make it up as they go along when it suits them.

I am slightly concerned about this issue, because if I were to get a conviction or caution, particularly for this kind of thing, then it would be the end of my career. If I was threatened with a caution, I would have to go to court in the hope of clearing my name, but it would make my professional life very difficult indeed, I would almost certainly be suspended. I spent many years working hard to qualify for my current profession, and if I lost my current position due to what the overseeing body deemed unsuitable conduct, then I would be completely finished. I am not qualified to do anything else at all, it is getting rather late in the day for me to do so anyway, and a criminal record does not exactly set the wheels in motion when looking for employment. I would like to carry on punting, but do not want to completely ruin my life for the sake of a shag.

By the way, Jethro, congratulations on Stevenage's promotion.

Yes, congratulations. Unfortunately my team will be passing Stevenage on the way out of the football league, like two cars on opposite sides of a dual carriageway.

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There is no way of knowing for sure. I would say if you manage to get a reliable agency it is probably more reliable than independents, but this is very unfair to all the women who work independently, and do a good job. Ultimately, there is no cast iron answer to this question, that's why it's called 'punting'.

I take your point Natasha. But just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you! It is highly unlikely that anything will happen to you in your own home, I can agree with that. But perhaps your own dealings with the police have been rather different to mine. My experience is they can be relied upon to slavishly apply the law in the most impractical of circumstances, or make it up as they go along when it suits them.

I am slightly concerned about this issue, because if I were to get a conviction or caution, particularly for this kind of thing, then it would be the end of my career. If I was threatened with a caution, I would have to go to court in the hope of clearing my name, but it would make my professional life very difficult indeed, I would almost certainly be suspended. I spent many years working hard to qualify for my current profession, and if I lost my current position due to what the overseeing body deemed unsuitable conduct, then I would be completely finished. I am not qualified to do anything else at all, it is getting rather late in the day for me to do so anyway, and a criminal record does not exactly set the wheels in motion when looking for employment. I would like to carry on punting, but do not want to completely ruin my life for the sake of a shag.

Yes, who would want to risk their life for the sake of a 'shag' eh Wakeup ?!

Personally, I would of thought the Police seem to mainly concentrate on arresting people that are concerned with Human trafficking, forced/coerced/involuntary prostitution.

Being as the majority of prostitution in the UK is consensual, it is very difficult to prove that girls are trafficked, and I am assuming the Police rely on intelligence/tip offs from various sources.

According to the Guardian News, artical under- "Prostitution and Trafficking-the Anatomy of a moral panic"

Since the sexual offences act came out into force in January 2004, internal Police documents show that 46 men and woman have been convicted and jailed for transporting woman who were forced to work as prostitutes.

It seems there are various different statistics/figures on how many woman have actually been trafficked.

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This thread is screaching out 'paranoia' :P:rolleyes: fgs

Indeed, and for a minute I was thinking it might actually be a thread concerning ladies' safety - visiting an unknown "punter" at his place, somewhere she's never been before. But then it isn't that kind of thread, silly me :o

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Indeed, and for a minute I was thinking it might actually be a thread concerning ladies' safety - visiting an unknown "punter" at his place, somewhere she's never been before. But then it isn't that kind of thread, silly me :P

Yes, I was thinking the same Obi! :o:D xxx

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Are outcalls safer (for the lady)?

My answer is both yes and no!

Her chances of meeting that nice DI Kevin Hyland are nill, provided she goes alone.

Her chances of suffering some variety of unpleasantness at the hands of her client are, small, but greater.

Oh, dear! Am I not boring!

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