SashaB

Is It A Sign Of Desperation?

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I know its heavily critized and personally the mention of bareback makes my blood boil. I get that like many fetish or non mainstream services that if there is a demand then there will be a supply but how come bareback seems to be so cheap on the other site?

Surely if something is as specialist as bareback it would cost through the nose to get it, instead its not just cheap its dirt cheap... £70 all in bareback both holes for an hour:confused: WTF :(

Frightening momment when I clicked on the escorts tab only a few minutes ago to see at least 25% of the page listing Bareback within the profile title or summary. Is this some sort of backward sign of escort recession, misguided girls thinking that they not only need to lower thier prices but to offer bareback too?

Or is it more like an online version of street walking where the girls are so desperate for money they offer everything for next to nothing and actually £80 is a higher than average hourly rate for them?

As much as I dont agree with it, I can at least respect someones right to do what the hell they like with thier body and would be a hipocrite if I was to say otherwise but what on earth posseses girls to take such risks for less than your average girl who doesnt? What on earth posseses a girl to work for less than most other girls and take more risk not less? Thats like saying a girl would prefer to meet strangers in a car park and see clients in the back of thier cars than in a nice, clean and comparibly safe hotel room, is it a sign of desperation or something else?

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Sasha: you should post this topic in the "General discussion" part of this forum. This part of the forum dedicated to the ""wannashags". lol

I do hope mods will move it, as you will get much more response there.

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Sasha, in honesty I believe it's ignorance, stupidity & pimps. How that mix is made up, god only knows. Let me just cover the three.

Ignorance = Not aware of how risky it is. Sadly, there's a lot of uneducated girls working out there & sadly they offer the service without any idea of the risks involved.

Stupidity = Not as uneducated as the above group, but even worse as they still take the risk.

Pimped = Girls who have no control over what is posted on their profiles & who's services are dictated by others. IMHO, this makes up the majority of profiles offering this service on the other site.

Each to their own BUT I'm glad it's listed along with reviews of people taking up the offers, simply so I can do my best to avoid & stay safer.

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Bareback = Desperation. I have interviewed lots of women wanting to do this job that could not have given it away for free in the real world and some wanting to work as prostitutes that you wouldn't fuck if they were paying you. So they get an A* offer anything they can think of for £50 and hope they get a couple of deviants a week taking them up on it.

There is though a market for it sadly. I had a site that I had spoken about bareback sex on and the stats showed more people search for bareback sex than anything. Well that and grandfather fucks granddaughter along with a few more sheer delights.

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I just regard the girls offering bareback as 'amateurs' who are trying to undercut the real, professional SPs. I wouldn't touch them with Clarkson's, never mind my own!

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Sasha: you should post this topic in the "General discussion" part of this forum. This part of the forum dedicated to the ""wannashags". lol

I do hope mods will move it, as you will get much more response there.

I know, I hadnt meant to post it here but did by accident. Thought it best not to post the thread twice and hope the mods move it

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I know, I hadnt meant to post it here but did by accident. Thought it best not to post the thread twice and hope the mods move it

If you report your original post in this thread, and just put "Please move this thread to General Discussion" in the section where you put the reason for reporting the post, I'm sure it will be moved.

I'm not a mod any more, so I can't do it for you :(

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If you report your original post in this thread, and just put "Please move this thread to General Discussion" in the section where you put the reason for reporting the post, I'm sure it will be moved.

I'm not a mod any more, so I can't do it for you :)

Oh no, The Vicar de-frocked? :(:o

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Oh no, The Vicar de-frocked? :(:)

No, de-commissioned by agreement :o

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No, de-commissioned by agreement :(

thats a shame, my main dealings have been with yourself and genghis and you both seemed pretty honest

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thats a shame, my main dealings have been with yourself and genghis and you both seemed pretty honest

That's my feeling too, thanks for the good work Vic.

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Bareback = Desperation. I have interviewed lots of women wanting to do this job that could not have given it away for free in the real world and some wanting to work as prostitutes that you wouldn't fuck if they were paying you. So they get an A* offer anything they can think of for £50 and hope they get a couple of deviants a week taking them up on it.

There is though a market for it sadly. I had a site that I had spoken about bareback sex on and the stats showed more people search for bareback sex than anything. Well that and grandfather fucks granddaughter along with a few more sheer delights.

Sounds about right. I like your description "they get a couple of deviants a week".

There is a huge market for BB, i know a club in Hackney Wick where BB is the norm, i know because i went their with my partner, they hadnt bothered saying it was BB. The owner said i only do BB as i have a latex allergy but i do love guys coming inside me one after another,:( we made our excuses and left. This club alone apparently has a couple of hundred members or at least regular attendees.:)

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Desperation is probably right in some cases.

Also ignorance, in the past we've had massive campaigns for safe sex, for a lot of people here that would have been in our most formative years of sex education. The AIDS tombstone ad for example. How many foreign and younger girls have been exposed to that.

There is probably a big element of denial involved as well. The 'it won't happen to me' attitude that youngster have when driving cars too fast, continually re-enforced by 'good luck' when they are really continuously lengthening their odds.

There could also be an element of false advertising to get the clicks, advertising it but it not being available in reality. We see that with other activities, anal/CIM etc why not with BB.

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Desperation is probably right in some cases.

Also ignorance, in the past we've had massive campaigns for safe sex, for a lot of people here that would have been in our most formative years of sex education. The AIDS tombstone ad for example. How many foreign and younger girls have been exposed to that.

Some foreign girls on the other site offer BB, but the majority offering it appear to be home grown. Another failing of our marvellous education system per chance. :)

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Wearing a condom diminishes sex. But it is vital in punting. It's like wearing a crash helmet on a motorbike, or eat belts in a car.

And it cuts both ways. There are some fabulous women our there in punterland. I do not want to miss them because some inconsiderate pillock gave them the clap or worse.

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I can't believe we haven't had a thread on BB before.

Thank fuck someone's finally talking about this here.

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Or is it more like an online version of street walking where the girls are so desperate for money they offer everything for next to nothing

Most street girls don't even kiss, so where do you get that from Sasha?

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I can't believe we haven't had a thread on BB before.

Thank fuck someone's finally talking about this here.

There have been many many threads on BB here on PN over the past 10 or more years. I even managed to get stalked over it by a member who was pro BB.

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Most street girls don't even kiss, so where do you get that from Sasha?

I wasnt suggesting street girls offer bareback, I know nothing about the street seen but from the little I have seen the women that work the streets IMO do so from desperation. I wonder weather Bareback on the other site is a new form of this, where the world has gone online a new type of street scene has appeared, not actually on the streets but an advancements of that same desperation that drives women to the streets is now driving women to offer bareback online.

I really couldn't believe my eyes, weather it was just poor luck but to click on the escorts page on the other site, literally a quarter of the adds where blatently and almost proudly advertising bareback, at least half of the adds I saw had profile names like baraback jane or all holes bareback it was shocking to say the least.

I browsed the adds I saw and even more to my disbelief all of the adds I looked at were advertising babreback inclusively with services like a-levels inclusively for under £100 an hour, one even advertising a and bareback inclusively for £50 an hour. More to my disbelief these appeared to be real photographs of attractive, young, english women, WTF! Only one that I looked at had a private gallery dispelling my belief that most of this was to increase sales from private galleries and video's it just seemed insane.

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Am I the only one that feels that site has a lot to answer for in this area? I certainly consider them to be at least partly responsible for its explosion within our industry.

A few years back I had a girl approach the agency who had been working as an independent through that site. She had seen an add in her local paper looking for escorts (it was an adw add) and signed up as an escort with no other experience. Her profile was vague as she didnt know what to put but advertised herself as being new to the industry and it wasnt long before she had enquiries. I asked for her profile name and to my horror she was clearly advertising bareback, I wouldnt touch her with a barge pole but did give her a great amount of advice and support and pointed her in the right direction as far as gum clinics, saafe etc.

It turned out that her first client told her that the going rate for girls like her was £50 an hour and that she wouldnt make any money unless she offered bareback inclusively, not knowing any better she didnt question him and subsequently added bareback and rates to her profile. She got around 5 or 6 clients a week but approached us as she was looking to earn more. When I investigated further the poor girl had been meeting these clients in local car parks and servicing them in the back of thier cars. It was a real horror story and a prime example IMO of thats site's lack of social responsibility.

Is this a self perpetuating problem? Women find that site have a look at other profiles and think thats what they should be doing?

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thats site's lack of social responsibility.

Thats a nice "Soundbite" but do brothels / agencies have a "social responsibility" or do they just want to make money like all other areas of the industry?

At least if a girl is working for herself she keeps all of her money, and bareback, as things have moved on perhaps Bareback is what Oral Without was a few years ago, things move on.

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Am I the only one that feels that site has a lot to answer for in this area? I certainly consider them to be at least partly responsible for its explosion within our industry.

I don't think many would argue with you, Sasha, that The Other Site, if not actually encouraging BB, does certainly foster it. As far as I know it's the only 'mainstream' site That does. I deplore the fact that people will still take such risks with their own health and that of others; but, sadly, clearly there is a market out there and girlswilling to service it. It's just unfortunate that the suvival at all of that service in the sex industry makes life more difficult for the vast majority of more responsible WGs.

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Thats a nice "Soundbite" but do brothels / agencies have a "social responsibility" or do they just want to make money like all other areas of the industry?

At least if a girl is working for herself she keeps all of her money, and bareback, as things have moved on perhaps Bareback is what Oral Without was a few years ago, things move on.

Your talking to the wrong person Howard. As much as I dont disagree with you that many brothels/parlours/agencies do exactly what you say and quite franlky the behavior of "some" of the proprietors I find disgusting, however if you have any knowledge of my legal situation you will be aware that I was one of the few who tool my social responsibility very seriously, my priority was always the girls and the girls safety, the situation I find myself in now clear testiment to that.

I believe we all have a social responsibility and that's true in all walks of life, how we treat and behave towards others etc. Giving women a platform on which to offer thier services is commendable but you should also be responsible at least in part for what happens to those that use your service. IMO no different that facebook and other social networking sites taking steps to educate the youth of today against sexual predetors that may use thier facilities for no good. ADW IMO is no different but rather than offering any kind of education they potentially make already vulnerable women more vulnerable by putting them infront of a different kind of sexual predetor with no kind of understanding of what they might come up against. Im not suggesting all women in this industry are vulnerable but those just starting out are and are often very impressionable

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Your talking to the wrong person Howard. As much as I dont disagree with you that many brothels/parlours/agencies do exactly what you say and quite franlky the behavior of "some" of the proprietors I find disgusting, however if you have any knowledge of my legal situation you will be aware that I was one of the few who tool my social responsibility very seriously, my priority was always the girls and the girls safety, the situation I find myself in now clear testiment to that.

I believe we all have a social responsibility and that's true in all walks of life, how we treat and behave towards others etc. Giving women a platform on which to offer thier services is commendable but you should also be responsible at least in part for what happens to those that use your service. IMO no different that facebook and other social networking sites taking steps to educate the youth of today against sexual predetors that may use thier facilities for no good. ADW IMO is no different but rather than offering any kind of education they potentially make already vulnerable women more vulnerable by putting them infront of a different kind of sexual predetor with no kind of understanding of what they might come up against. Im not suggesting all women in this industry are vulnerable but those just starting out are and are often very impressionable

I was talking Generically and have no knowledge / interest of your personal situation, brothel keeping and controlling prostitutes is against the law and as such something that is between them and the Police / courts.

As for new girls, it is wrong to assume they are stupid, many just use the industry to top up their benefits, often it could be worse for them if they worked in a brothel as there is pressure to see more men just to earn the same money.

And **, well it's no different to a girl putting a card in a newsagents window a few years ago.

It is nice to talk about being socially responsible etc, but the industry is about money. And you have to ask the question is it ok to talk about being socially responsible whist simultaneously breaking the law?

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I was talking Generically and have no knowledge / interest of your personal situation, brothel keeping and controlling prostitutes is against the law and as such something that is between them and the Police / courts.

As for new girls, it is wrong to assume they are stupid, many just use the industry to top up their benefits, often it could be worse for them if they worked in a brothel as there is pressure to see more men just to earn the same money.

And **, well it's no different to a girl putting a card in a newsagents window a few years ago.

It is nice to talk about being socially responsible etc, but the industry is about money. And you have to ask the question is it ok to talk about being socially responsible whist simultaneously breaking the law?

********* is a legal advertising site, its not breaking the law. Your the one making this about brothels and parlours and Im really not sure why? There are agencies and parlours on that site that also promote bareback, the thread was not exclusively about independents and or agencies and parlours.

If your refering to me specifically when you talk about discussing social responsibility and breaking the law then your right, thats a matter for the police and the courts to decide not you. As yet I have not been charged with or found guilty of any crime, so I have not and am not breaking the law, I can talk as much as I like about being socially responsible and perhaps if more like me where being more socially responsible the crimes you mention would no longer require criminal sentancing.

The thread is about bareback, the apparent (and perhaps its just that Im only now noticing) IMO massive increase in its advertisement. IMO and thats all it is that site should have some sort of social responsibility. Im only using the case I quoted above as an example or basis for this, in that case it was that site that made the girl a victim to predators that IMO took advantage of her lack of industry knowledge to get what they wanted from her. No different than a peodephile grooming a young victim.

There is nothing wrong with girls working for themselves, I did for many years, this is not about being independent or working in a parlour or for an agency. Im also not saying women new to the industry are stupid, I had a-levels when I started escorting and went on to get a degree, I was privately educated and would not consider myself stupid, I was however nieve to the industry and if it wasnt for someone taking me under thier wing I could well have come a cropper and found myself in the same position as the girl I mentioned.

Back to the point, is bareback a sign of desperation for escorts or a self perpetuating problem created by a directory that IMO has a lack of social responsibility? Your opinion may also be neither or both

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