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Something wrong with all wg's?

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No this isn't me saying it, but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be.

This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

I know this obviously won't be the general view here and the ladies of the board will be spitting feathers. :(

As I say it isn't my view either, but one of the prejudices those in favour of legalising it would have to overcome.

So how do we go about it :D

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I suppose it depends on how you define "something wrong". I know our radfem sisters consider that we have no agency and are, by the very nature of our work, victims of multiple rape, and for sure that'd fuck with your head; but as I'm not a radfem I reject that analysis and therefore I reject the headfuck too.

Then there's the victim status accorded to prostitutes, usually because of research done into streetwork. I know nothing about the street scene from personal experience and am prepared to accept that you have to be disadvantaged in some way to hang around street corners; does "something wrong" include a childhood history of abuse and care home?

And then there's the fact that those of us who choose to become "happy hookers" are, in some pretty fundamental ways, aberrant in our behaviour. It may feel perfectly Ok to us, but society's wider reaction tells us that we are clearly "wrong" in some way.

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No this isn't me saying it, but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be.

This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

I know this obviously won't be the general view here and the ladies of the board will be spitting feathers. :(

As I say it isn't my view either, but one of the prejudices those in favour of legalising it would have to overcome.

So how do we go about it :D

We Don't..... or should I say We Won't.... there are prejudices for everything..... and all different takes on what is right and what is wrong.

We can't please all of the people... all of the time.

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Even those of us who do do this out of our own free will, and are very happy in this line of work - we still have the same issues as anyone else out there.

Here lies the problem. It's normal for anyone to have struggles in their lives, however WGs are stereotyped and this then means if we do have the odd issue then we don't want to admit if.

If I said I see a counsellor to help me work on a few things in life, would everyone then think I obviously must have been abused or harmed and thence only doing this job because I felt so terrible, damaged, worthless or even that this line of work was 'affecting' me.

Lots of people get depression, have other things they need to work through etc yet as a WG admit anything and you could be considered to be a 'victim'. A 'normal' person would get support, understanding not stereotypical and patronising treatment.

Makes me shake my head sometimes.

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No this isn't me saying it, but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be.

This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

It would also be the view of many people that there is something equally wrong with the men that visit prostitutes.

We are two sides of the same coin.

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Echoing Strawberry, I would have the same personal problems regardless of my career choice. Ever single career I have done has caused me difficulties in one way or another and escorting is no exception.

Following on from that I think one could say that there's "something wrong" with a person seeking to enter just about any line of work. I'd be very worried about anyone wanting to enter the field of medicine because of the high rates of suicide and depression. Likewise, I'd question the sanity of anyone who wanted any profession that involved working with children! But these are just my own value judgements and it is really up to the individual to decide if the ups outweigh the downs in any given career path. If I get to the point with escorting where the negatives outweigh the positive, I'll find something else to do.

This is the adult entertainment industry and adult is the operative word. I wish these feminists would piss off and let adults make their own adult decision to enter (or leave) the adult industry. And there IS something wrong will feminists. Believe.

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It would also be the view of many people that there is something equally wrong with the men that visit prostitutes.

We are two sides of the same coin.

Indeed.

This is why many men won't admit to paying for sex.

On the contrary, several have said to me, 'I'd never pay for it.'

Whether they have or not I have no way of knowing, bgut almost certainly the number of men who have used prostitutes at least some of the time in their lives is undoubtedly higher than the estimated figures.

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No this isn't me saying it, but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be.

This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

I know this obviously won't be the general view here and the ladies of the board will be spitting feathers. :(

As I say it isn't my view either, but one of the prejudices those in favour of legalising it would have to overcome.

So how do we go about it :D

I don't agree that this is an obstacle to 'legalisation'; on the contrary, that seems to me to be putting the cart before the horse.

I think that it is precisely because of the current legal status of the provision of sexual services that much of society seems to adopt the cliched view you describe. The girls are somehow seen as 'outlaws', and therefore in the same lower echelons of society as petty criminals; and because (as my German masseuse keeps telling me) the British are so repressed about sexual matters, the selling of sex is regarded by some as disgusting. You only have to look at the infantile, sniggery way that the red top press and certain TV stations approach the subject to see the wider social attitude reflected.

In my view, if and when the industry is placed on a more secure legal footing it will in time cometo be seen as another profession for women - and men - to choose, and will shed much of the hypocritical disdain it currently attracts. Never a mainstream ocupation: after all, there are still some people who regard actresses, circus performers and alternative cabaret performers in much the same light as WGs...and how many people would regard someone who chooses to become a traffic warden or a sewage farm worker as 'normal'?! :mad:

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It would also be the view of many people that there is something equally wrong with the men that visit prostitutes.We are two sides of the same coin.

Maybe there is something ' wrong ' with men in general, :D but I dont think for a minute that there is something particularly wrong in the main with those guys who visit prostitutes. I still hold to the generalisation that most men are well capable of punting, given the right [ or wrong ] set of circumstances !

I dont know if there is something ' wrong ' with WGs in general. I have met the odd fruitcake but most girls have been lovely and well switched on. However, I have never really asked them about their career or why they got into it so I frankly dont know. I would happily engage with a WG on this topic if she chose to but I suppose that is unlikely to happen.

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I dont know if there is something ' wrong ' with WGs in general. I have met the odd fruitcake but most girls have been lovely and well switched on.

So have I, but not as many as I have among my female colleagues.

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many of the arguments used against wgs & punters are the same arguments that were used against the gay community,ie their is something wrong with them.

it was only more enlightened legislation from a more tolerant government that helped overcome the prejudices from a minority (albeit vociferous)

thats what is needed now.

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I don't agree that this is an obstacle to 'legalisation'; on the contrary, that seems to me to be putting the cart before the horse.

I think that it is precisely because of the current legal status of the provision of sexual services that much of society seems to adopt the cliched view you describe. The girls are somehow seen as 'outlaws', and therefore in the same lower echelons of society as petty criminals; and because (as my German masseuse keeps telling me) the British are so repressed about sexual matters, the selling of sex is regarded by some as disgusting. You only have to look at the infantile, sniggery way that the red top press and certain TV stations approach the subject to see the wider social attitude reflected.

In my view, if and when the industry is placed on a more secure legal footing it will in time cometo be seen as another profession for women - and men - to choose, and will shed much of the hypocritical disdain it currently attracts. Never a mainstream ocupation: after all, there are still some people who regard actresses, circus performers and alternative cabaret performers in much the same light as WGs...and how many people would regard someone who chooses to become a traffic warden or a sewage farm worker as 'normal'?! :D

Good post. In my view the combination of radfems, media, victorian repressed sexual values and HH and her crusade have got us where we are now. I cant see this changing in the short to medium term, whether HH goes is neither here nor there, she has left her legacy.

All people can do is chip away to show the truth, not the lies and mis-information. A prostitute equals a street worker to a great deal of people IMO, Belle/Brooke is one who has had the profile to show its not that one dimensional, whats needed are thousands of Belle/Brookes to get the message across that being a WG is a voluntary business decision by many, their choice, their body. Forming a political party with the backing of those bodies that help, advise and support WGs might be an idea. Of course many ladies cant go public but some can and do.

The truth as i see it is being a WG if thats what you chose out of your own free will and are over 18 should be a fully recognized occupation, and punters should be at no risk of arrest for punting with them. I discard the street scene from this. Ultimately some of those who make and shape our laws in this area are hypocrites, with the usual do as i say, not as i do thinking. I have no respect for them and will do as i please.

Those that look down on WGs and punters are of course some of those people that have affairs behind their partners backs, they have no moral high ground to look down from in my view.:(

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Good post. In my view the combination of radfems, media, victorian repressed sexual values and HH and her crusade have got us where we are now. I cant see this changing in the short to medium term, whether HH goes is neither here nor there, she has left her legacy.

All people can do is chip away to show the truth, not the lies and mis-information. A prostitute equals a street worker to a great deal of people IMO, Belle/Brooke is one who has had the profile to show its not that one dimensional, whats needed are thousands of Belle/Brookes to get the message across that being a WG is a voluntary business decision by many, their choice, their body. Forming a political party with the backing of those bodies that help, advise and support WGs might be an idea. Of course many ladies cant go public but some can and do.

The truth as i see it is being a WG if thats what you chose out of your own free will and are over 18 should be a fully recognized occupation, and punters should be at no risk of arrest for punting with them. I discard the street scene from this. Ultimately some of those who make and shape our laws in this area are hypocrites, with the usual do as i say, not as i do thinking. I have no respect for them and will do as i please.

Those that look down on WGs and punters are of course some of those people that have affairs behind their partners backs, they have no moral high ground to look down from in my view.:D

I agree with this and with TonyofStoney.

The British attitude to sex is actually risible, shameful and hypocritical.

The sooner it is legalised and properly regulated the better and safer for everyone apart from a few repressed fanatics who enjoy interfering in the lives of others.

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......Whether they have or not I have no way of knowing, bgut almost certainly the number of men who have used prostitutes at least some of the time in their lives is undoubtedly higher than the estimated figures.
What estimated figure is that NIK? A survey of 11,000 men back in 2000 had one in 10 admitting to having seen a prostitute. Do you believe the figure is now much higher than that?

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Of course there is something wrong with us, we are all independent free thinking women, we arent sheep that pretend to listen to our antiquated government.

The thing that terrifies the government both men and women alike is that what they catagories at "something wrong" like an infection disease might spread, then they would be in whole heaps of trouble.

Fact is they are just scared of us and who can blame them, free thinking, independent women are a force to be reckoned with :D

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No this isn't me saying it, but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be.

This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

I know this obviously won't be the general view here and the ladies of the board will be spitting feathers. :(

As I say it isn't my view either, but one of the prejudices those in favour of legalising it would have to overcome.

So how do we go about it :D

It's because turning to prostitution is abnormal, and the sheeple are terrified by outliers.

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No this isn't me saying it, but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be.

This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

I know this obviously won't be the general view here and the ladies of the board will be spitting feathers. :(

As I say it isn't my view either, but one of the prejudices those in favour of legalising it would have to overcome.

So how do we go about it :D

It's because turning to prostitution is abnormal, and the sheeple are terrified by outliers. It's very unlikely that sex work will be considered a legitimate profession in a society where monogamous exclusive relationships are the ideal.

The very existence of sex workers gives the lie to that ideal. This is because they are either used by those in relationships to cheat, or those out of relationships to avoid the need for them.

Therefore, they will be ostracised. In the middle ages, that would have meant burning. Nowadays, it means either being labelled as 'evil' or a 'helpless, exploited victim', depending on the political stance of the newspaper you read.

(Oh dear, I appear to have double posted in my excitement. Apologies.)

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There's 'something wrong' with just about everyone. We all have our failings, fuck-ups and foibles, we're human beings, it seems to go with the territory. I think at sometime in their life and often for a hell of lot of it just about everyone has some problem or hang, often more than one, I know I have:cool::(:D

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There are few great taboos left in our society, and those who are on 'the inside' of each no doubt all think the way we all do.

For example last night I watched a documentary on incestuous couples. Not abused/abusers, the two couples featured were 1) a father and daughter who never met for the first thirty years of the daughter's life, and then met and fell in love; and 2) a brother and sister who had been separated when tiny and again had found each other in later life and fallen in love.

Both of these couples had obviously faced huge difficulties when pursuing their decisions to build lives together, and both said more or less the same thing 'We're happy, and we're consensual, and we're not hurting anyone so why won't the law allow us to do what we want with our own lives?'

I think those of us who break societies taboos often feel that way. That sentence could apply to me and any of my clients. Does that mean the law is an ass? Or does it mean 'I'm just going to do what I want and complain that the law is against me'?

Perhaps there is something 'wrong' with all wg's, that we are able to even contemplate selling sex without doing what our civilian friends do - shuddering and saying 'Oooh no, what if you got an ugly one? Ooooh i just couldn't...' Perhaps there is something wrong with two people who have never met yet share the same genetic structure falling in love. Perhaps there is something wrong with two people of the same sex indulging a sexual attraction to each other.

Or perhaps there is something wrong with a society that has failed to notice that it's laws are still based on the teachings of the Church, when the flock stopped attending services some time ago?

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Yes but the teachings of the church were not generally adhered to anyway. All this 'Old fashioned' morality is simply something the upper class made up. In the Victorian era life was harsh and very short for most ordinary folk. Child labour was the norm, men and women quite commonly had sex before marriage and at a fairly youngish age.

For some reason when we look back we only see the rose tinted, priviledged class's view - and I suspect they were rather naughty behind closed doors anyway.

Monogamous?Well things happening(or not happening) within marriages are possibly the main reasons quite a few chaps come to see a WG. That doesn't really fit with the upstanding, most fantastically moral ideal some politicians wish us to believe(based on their belief it's immoral to visit a WG that is). I have decided however that tax breaks for married couples are a good idea - well it could give the chaps some cash for an extra visit every now and then!

I don't think DC has thought about it that way.

ps I'm not slating marriage and one day there may be a Mr Strawberry - I'm simply saying it as it is.

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but I have heard a number of people say that there is something wrong with any woman who turns to prostitution, no matter how apparently well adjusted and intelligent she appears to be. This would also seem to be the general view of the media.

The people hold that view suffer from sexual repression which is a recognised mental illness.

They are also abusing the sexual human rights of sexually liberated people.

Challenge sexually repressive bigotry when ever you encounter it.

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This always makes me laugh, and your right this is the general assumption by the general public 'we are damaged goods' otherwise why else would we do this????????????????? Hmmm really... I can honestly say there is nothing wrong with me in any way shape or form. Yes some ladies are abit unhinged but there are lots of unhinged people in life and this is no exception. I dont conform to society's idea of NORMAL but what is normal and do I really want to be normal anyway................. Nah im quite happy as I am so I just let people think whatever they like. There are loads of things in the world that people are judged for without knowledge and this is just another to add to the list.

Hugs Casey xx

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There is something wrong with everyone full stop. It dont matter whether your a WG or not. I can easily pick out something wrong with every person I have ever met.

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Makes me laugh - the very (women) complaining about women "selling themselves" are the same ones witholding or promising sex from husbands in order to get a car etc...

I think that's why they don't like it - paying for sex is removing part of a women's power over men in their eyes. Or at least setting a fixed price on it, rather than "buy me this this and this and I might "let you" shag me".

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The people hold that view suffer from sexual repression which is a recognised mental illness.

They are also abusing the sexual human rights of sexually liberated people.

Challenge sexually repressive bigotry when ever you encounter it.

Good post. IMO many of these people are surpreme hypocrites, they are of course just like the rest of us in reality, but for there own political and journalistic reasons they want to push their agenda on people.

No doubt many of them are merrily shagging and fucking around be it by having affairs, one night stands or indeed seeing WGs themselves.

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