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WGs' Oblivion to the Police & Crime Bill

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I have been surprised that only one WG in my last few months punting has been aware of the clauses affecting their income in the current Bill.

The Bill is in committee (where there is a fairly detailed examination of the nitty gritty) and the prostitution bits should be discussed tomorrow)

http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14993

If you want to stay in the relatively easy going world as it is, read the Legalities board & get e-mailling. Use yer work addy & name they're already public

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I have been surprised that only one WG in my last few months punting has been aware of the clauses affecting their income in the current Bill.

The Bill is in committee (where there is a fairly detailed examination of the nitty gritty) and the prostitution bits should be discussed tomorrow)

http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14993

If you want to stay in the relatively easy going world as it is, read the Legalities board & get e-mailling. Use yer work addy & name they're already public

Would it be any good going down there and what time?

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I have been surprised that only one WG in my last few months punting has been aware of the clauses affecting their income in the current Bill.

The Bill is in committee (where there is a fairly detailed examination of the nitty gritty) and the prostitution bits should be discussed tomorrow)

http://www.punternet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14993

If you want to stay in the relatively easy going world as it is, read the Legalities board & get e-mailling. Use yer work addy & name they're already public

Independents should be ok.

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Would it be any good going down there and what time?

This is what I consider before and then during the punt ;):P

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I have been surprised that only one WG in my last few months punting has been aware of the clauses affecting their income in the current Bill.

in 3mths I have also only met one who had a clue, maybe it was the same one you saw ;)

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This is a copy of my email to scrutiny@parliment.uk -

To whom it may concern,

I am emailing in response to the Policing and Crime Bill Committee discussion on Thursday 5th February 2009.

I am the owner of an escort agency and as such employ 40+ women in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire. None of the ladies working for me have been trafficked, coerced or threatened in anyway. The ladies are all self employed and welcome to come and go as they please.

During the 6 years we have traded we have paid out taxes and on 12 occasions have been visited by the Police, who have left happy that we run a respectable business and that our staff are happy in their work. The flip side to this is that the police have benefitted from information we have willing given them due to the good working relationship we have developed.

The proposed Bill will force the industry to a darker place deep underground and on the streets where it will be impossible to police and put the girls at an even greater risk.

I would urge you strongly to reconsider the proposed Bill due the reason I have set out below -

1. Section 13? Criminalisation of clients? Will do nothing to stop violence or trafficking, but will play into the hands of traffickers by decreasing reporting by clients of anxieties about trafficking.

2. Drop section 20, which gives the police wide ranging powers to seal premises on suspicion (i.e. with no proof) that a wide of activities related to prostitution have happened or will happen. This will remove the protection of the law from many people in the indoor industry as people will not call the police if they know doing so risks closing the premises so we will suffer increased violence, robbery and rape.

3. In Milton Keynes alone the proposed law will put 50 girls immediately onto the streets to ply their trade. This will mean more policing required and an industry that was behind closed doors now very much in the public eye. Those ladies who decide to work independently will be in a concentrated area according foot fall and accessibility, thus creating a mini 'Soho' in every major and town and city in the country.

4. The effect on the economy, those ladies not wishing to enter into the price/client war of the 'market' this Bill will create will no doubt seek benefits from the government in their new found unemployment.

5. The basic Human Rights of an individual to work in a safe environment with people of their choosing. Not to be left on their own to the whims of whoever enters their home.

The government need to be forward thinking and address the real issues of trafficking. This Bill is freezing out the best source of information for the authorities to cultivate and tackle the real criminals.

Yours sincerely,

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This is a copy of my email to scrutiny@parliment.uk -

To whom it may concern,

I am emailing in response to the Policing and Crime Bill Committee discussion on Thursday 5th February 2009.

I am the owner of an escort agency and as such employ 40+ women in Milton Keynes, Buckinghamshire. None of the ladies working for me have been trafficked, coerced or threatened in anyway. The ladies are all self employed and welcome to come and go as they please.

During the 6 years we have traded we have paid out taxes and on 12 occasions have been visited by the Police, who have left happy that we run a respectable business and that our staff are happy in their work. The flip side to this is that the police have benefitted from information we have willing given them due to the good working relationship we have developed.

The proposed Bill will force the industry to a darker place deep underground and on the streets where it will be impossible to police and put the girls at an even greater risk.

I would urge you strongly to reconsider the proposed Bill due the reason I have set out below -

1. Section 13? Criminalisation of clients? Will do nothing to stop violence or trafficking, but will play into the hands of traffickers by decreasing reporting by clients of anxieties about trafficking.

2. Drop section 20, which gives the police wide ranging powers to seal premises on suspicion (i.e. with no proof) that a wide of activities related to prostitution have happened or will happen. This will remove the protection of the law from many people in the indoor industry as people will not call the police if they know doing so risks closing the premises so we will suffer increased violence, robbery and rape.

3. In Milton Keynes alone the proposed law will put 50 girls immediately onto the streets to ply their trade. This will mean more policing required and an industry that was behind closed doors now very much in the public eye. Those ladies who decide to work independently will be in a concentrated area according foot fall and accessibility, thus creating a mini 'Soho' in every major and town and city in the country.

4. The effect on the economy, those ladies not wishing to enter into the price/client war of the 'market' this Bill will create will no doubt seek benefits from the government in their new found unemployment.

5. The basic Human Rights of an individual to work in a safe environment with people of their choosing. Not to be left on their own to the whims of whoever enters their home.

The government need to be forward thinking and address the real issues of trafficking. This Bill is freezing out the best source of information for the authorities to cultivate and tackle the real criminals.

Yours sincerely,

Great email, wel done, says it like it is. However, I notice that you have spelt 'parliament' wrongly, and so it will not get there! Perhaps you might want to re-send, important that views get through.

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Independents should be ok.

Independents will certainly be harder to catch, but if it goes through as proposed, no one will be ok, unfortunately IMO. Damn HH, JS and the poodle, Coaker. I just hope things are watered down.

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I spelt it wrong on the thread but not on the actual email. I did check as you worried me then.

Thank you.

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Not heard much of blackmail as a crimonalactivity since Leo Abse's bill on homosexuality.

This could bring it back inti fashion!

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Independents should be ok.

Independents won't be OK as section 20 allows closure of premises on suspicion that in the past or in the future any of the following offences have been or will be committed: paying for the sexual services of a child; controlling or inciting a child to be involved in prostitution or pornography; arranging or facilitating child prostitution or pornography; causing or inciting prostitution more generally; or controlling a prostitute for gain.

Independents will probably not get actually found guilty of any of those things, but in the meantime, the flat's been shut for three months cos the cops thought you might've been doing any of the above. And if you ever do a duo, you're guilty, as that makes your flat a brothel.

If people do outcall only, and no-one does any admin work for you whatsoever, and you don't get a lift from anyone who knows where you're going and why, that's fine.

Cxx

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If people do outcall only, and no-one does any admin work for you whatsoever, and you don't get a lift from anyone who knows where you're going and why, that's fine.

Cxx

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That accurately describes (afaik) a few Ladies I call "regulars".

(they know who they are...)

But... it might be a case of them today, us tomorrow...

Hence, those opposing this new bill definitely have my sympathy.

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