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I noticed on another thread a SP stating they were not a prostitute they were an escort and it is not the first time I have read it. To me that seems a little strange. I thought that to escort someone you would purely be working as a companion and offering no sexual service whatsoever.

Why does the name offend so many people, why flower it up. I have been called a whore, tom, WG, hooker, prostitute and escort. I am of course all of the above. You could even throw in pimp which although unpleasant I guess it is true although I prefer to be called a Madame.

I know we all like to be polite to each other but if you work as a prostitute why does the label offend ?

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If I had to guess, I would say that 'prostitute' has more connotations of the street scene, which many understandably wish to distance themselves from.

That is, all (most) escorts are prostitutes but not all prostitutes are escorts.

If you wanted to stir up trouble, one could suggest that its roots are similar to the escort/courtesan divide - which is a matter of branding IMO.

All from a punter's perspective, of course.

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I noticed on another thread a SP stating they were not a prostitute they were an escort and it is not the first time I have read it. To me that seems a little strange. I thought that to escort someone you would purely be working as a companion and offering no sexual service whatsoever.

Why does the name offend so many people, why flower it up. I have been called a whore, tom, WG, hooker, prostitute and escort. I am of course all of the above. You could even throw in pimp which although unpleasant I guess it is true although I prefer to be called a Madame.

I know we all like to be polite to each other but if you work as a prostitute why does the label offend ?

It's not the name itself that is offending, it's the manner in which it is used, for most people I believe.

While it may be true that I am a 'hooker' that doen't give someone the right to use it in a malicious way, why should we stand for an insult when all we am doing is providing for ourselves and our families?

Of course my usual response to that is... and your point is? genrally gets the required result...

But it's still not nice, especially when people don't know anything about you.

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It's not the name itself that is offending, it's the manner in which it is used, for most people I believe.

While it may be true that I am a 'hooker' that doen't give someone the right to use it in a malicious way, why should we stand for an insult when all we am doing is providing for ourselves and our families?

Of course my usual response to that is... and your point is? genrally gets the required result...

But it's still not nice, especially when people don't know anything about you.

Hi Tammy, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Anyone insulting someone is wrong whatever word they wish to use, it is the fact that people find the word prostitute insulting. Why is insulting when it is infact the word for someone supplying sex for a fee. I just don't understand why it can be classed as an insult yet escort is not.

I really am not trying to be troublesome here, I just wanted to know why people find being an escort more sociably acceptable than a prostitute when it is only a word. It is like punter vs clients. It is just a softer word but means the same thing.

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We are all good ol' WGs at the end of the day. We do however work in different ways and that's where the different names tend to creep in. 'Escort' is now more than ever being used throughout the industry which can become confusing and cause issues.

This is what I believe some definitions can be;

Street Girl - WG who plies her trade standing in the street

Parlour Girl/Masseuse - WG who plies her trade in a brothell or massage parlour, clients procured by a third party/owner

Independent - WG who works alone but who sometimes may or may not work alongside other Independents in their own flat/premises. Obtains clients via her own advertising methods.

Escort - WG who generally charges for her time rather than individual acts often tending towards longer, 'softer' bookings. Works from her own premises and or offering home plus hotel visits (outcalls).

All of the above can be blurred, mixed and even chucked in a blender for some interesting results.

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I suppose it is whatever term the woman feels comfortable with. Sometimes the websites of those calling themselves escorts or courtisans are so covered in waffle of time, evenings out, conversation, art, theatre, travel and listening it is hard to work out if they actually offer a shag at all!

No one seems to take offence at the term punter so we are lucky there.

In Thailand the term the bar girls use to their clients faces is Tailac, a lovely sounding term. Apparently amongst themselves westen men are either ATM or Water Buffallo

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Yes the P word is used as a general insult and more specifically towards women, very much like other derogatory terms against female sexuality it is usually used to degrade the callee.

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Hi Tammy, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Anyone insulting someone is wrong whatever word they wish to use, it is the fact that people find the word prostitute insulting. Why is insulting when it is infact the word for someone supplying sex for a fee. I just don't understand why it can be classed as an insult yet escort is not.

I really am not trying to be troublesome here, I just wanted to know why people find being an escort more sociably acceptable than a prostitute when it is only a word. It is like punter vs clients. It is just a softer word but means the same thing.

I suppose because thats what the market wants to hear ! Quite wisely IMO, I see on your site that you refer to your beautiful milton keynes escorts. If you think it is only a word and the market doesnt care , then change a few things , maybe refer to the lovely London prositutes or the EGO hookers !:D

I think you are paying to much attention to the strict definition of a prostitute.Over the centuries it has taken on different meanings, none of them particularly admirable I think. People use it to describe non-sexual actions too ie " he prostituted himself to get that account ".

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I really don't care what I'm called as long the person calling me it isn't being insulting.

When I called myself a WG on Mumsnet (don't ask), I was called a misogynist! :)

Prostitute is like spinster, it's a very hard sounding word.

I think we should reclaim the word, just like we did "whore". If nothing else it pisses of the feminizt sorority. They'd much rather refer to us as prostituted women. :D

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The word 'punter' usually refers to a gambler, and from reading a lot of the posts on this forum it sounds pretty accurate.

:D

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it is a bit like the word bastard. In very common use in 19th century to describe a baby born out of wedlock. Even in christening records.

WHen it became an insult i dont know, but we dont call illegitimate kids bastards now.

Many words with precise meanings became insults with time. Negro used to be a technical term form someone with african ancestry, but is now an insult.

Prostitute is the same.

prostitutes has another meaning. to prostitute oneself is to behave unethically for gain. I have heard this used about politicians.

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We are all good ol' WGs at the end of the day. We do however work in different ways and that's where the different names tend to creep in. 'Escort' is now more than ever being used throughout the industry which can become confusing and cause issues.

This is what I believe some definitions can be;

Street Girl - WG who plies her trade standing in the street

Parlour Girl/Masseuse - WG who plies her trade in a brothell or massage parlour, clients procured by a third party/owner

Independent - WG who works alone but who sometimes may or may not work alongside other Independents in their own flat/premises. Obtains clients via her own advertising methods.

Escort - WG who generally charges for her time rather than individual acts often tending towards longer, 'softer' bookings. Works from her own premises and or offering home plus hotel visits (outcalls).

All of the above can be blurred, mixed and even chucked in a blender for some interesting results.

Interesting post Strawberry. I agree about the confusion these definations can cause. In your list here the lines really blur between Independent and Escort for me.

For me its WG and that applies to all. Whore or Tom are often used as Tammy i think said as put downs, although i never hear the word Tom being used nowadays apart from on the Bill.:D The punters equivalent, John is also very rarely used to my face now but it used to be a lot in the 80s.

Escort is fine with me but as i posted on another thread, those that advertise as elite, high class or courtesan are usually ones i avoid, in my experience they are usually used as a marketing ploy to charge more, and good luck to the lady if this is successful. This in not a criticism of those that use these terms, its up to the lady how she markets herself, just as its up to me who i see and the opinions i give on here.:)

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I wasn't sure who to quote here as my view kind iof reflects that of several previious posters. 'Prostitute' is basically an antique term for WGs but, as has been observed, its use these days is generally in a dergatory sense. Similarly, in my job it would be literally correct to describe me as a 'bureaucrat', but when did you last hear that term used in any way other than a critical, derogatory one? Terrms like 'escort', 'working girl', 'service provider' and even 'courtesan' may be euphemisms to a greater or lesser extent, but in context their meaning is well understood, and in my view they are less harsh terms for ladies of sensual pleasure. I think Starwberry''s list of definitions is excellent. Oh, and personally I'm a public servant!

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I'm a public servant!

Maybe they should call themselves pubic servants?

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I suppose it is whatever term the woman feels comfortable with. Sometimes the websites of those calling themselves escorts or courtisans are so covered in waffle of time, evenings out, conversation, art, theatre, travel and listening it is hard to work out if they actually offer a shag at all!

No one seems to take offence at the term punter so we are lucky there.

In Thailand the term the bar girls use to their clients faces is Tailac, a lovely sounding term. Apparently amongst themselves westen men are either ATM or Water Buffallo

Your first paragraph actually encapsulates my opinion Lessingham.:D

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Maybe they should call themselves pubic servants?

No --- I liked Customer Care Executives ! :D

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I know we all like to be polite to each other but if you work as a prostitute why does the label offend ?

'Prostitute' is the correct technical description for someone who provides sex for money. If people view this term as derogatory then over time it will be seen as an insult. To me it's not, but I do quite like the term Working Girl. 'Escort' is ridiculous and 'Courtesan' is simply wrong. Girls who call themselves escorts and courtesans invariably start to get carried away and begin misusing words like 'date' 'donation' 'educated' 'sophisticated' 'high class' and 'early thirties'. They should reclaim the word prostitute.

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I suppose it is whatever term the woman feels comfortable with. Sometimes the websites of those calling themselves escorts or courtisans are so covered in waffle of time, evenings out, conversation, art, theatre, travel and listening it is hard to work out if they actually offer a shag at all!

Agreed, also W/G Websites need to use words that are effective for search engine listings, the same words punters use when searching. W/G sites need to stand separately from porn sites, news sites, academic & political sites etc.

Prostitute is a some what clinical and brings up mostly news, feminist campaign sites etc. Hooker, Whore, Vice Girl etc, are used by porn sites, red tops as well as having negative connotations.

That tends to limit words used by punters and working girls alike to find each other to Escort, courtesan, incall & outcall. Parlours need to stand apparent and remain slightly cagey to avoid to much legal attention, limiting their language as well.

It all results in a kind of tribal language, or cant.

No one seems to take offence at the term punter so we are lucky there.

In Thailand the term the bar girls use to their clients faces is Tailac, a lovely sounding term. Apparently amongst themselves westen men are either ATM or Water Buffallo

So can you tell us what Tailac, ATM or Water Buffallo actually mean, the subtext ?

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So can you tell us what Tailac, ATM or Water Buffallo actually mean, the subtext ?

Well, ATM is fairly obvious...

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Well, ATM is fairly obvious...

Well it could be cash machine, but Thailand doesn't even use the same alphabet so why should they use a western acronym amongst themselves, but a Thia term with punters ? Then I though ass to mouth, which didn't seem to fit either. Perhaps I'm over thinking it. I guess Water Buffalo is an insulting reference to size & weight.

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"Water buffalo" is because a common way to extract extra cash from an innocent and well-meaning foreign punter is to claim that the family water buffalo is sick and needs a vet/medication but the family can't afford it... [cue long and sorry tale about how valuable and important the beast is to her poor, hard-working family]

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Hi Tammy, I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Anyone insulting someone is wrong whatever word they wish to use, it is the fact that people find the word prostitute insulting. Why is insulting when it is infact the word for someone supplying sex for a fee. I just don't understand why it can be classed as an insult yet escort is not.

I really am not trying to be troublesome here, I just wanted to know why people find being an escort more sociably acceptable than a prostitute when it is only a word. It is like punter vs clients. It is just a softer word but means the same thing.

Ah, Ok my bad...

Plausible deniability

Prostitute 100% selling sex for money.

Escort 98% certain, but 2% wishful thinking that said woman is just escorting wealthy guys to parties.

Most people would rather have plausible deniability than the stark truth in front of them.

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Tailac means darling or boyfriend (er I think)

ATM is a walking cash dispenser. One ofthose lovely US terms that is all over the world now

And water buffalo as the see the guys a huge,slow moving and rather dim. But the sob story about the sick water buffalo as an explanation I do like!

Sorry, should have said.

Apparently the word Tart started out as a complimentary term of affection for a sweetheart and see where that word ended up!

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The word 'punter' usually refers to a gambler

Do you want to bet on that ? :D

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I'm not entirely sure why some of the punters (or johns, or tricks) on here get so worked up about this sort of thing. I couldn't care less whether a lady calls herself, and wants me to call her, a WG, or an escort, or a courtesan (a word to which I don't have the slightest objection). As long as she's comfortable with it, so am I. There are certain terms I personally find ugly, which is why I would never call any lady a prostitute, a whore, a hooker (which I think of as a purely a street term), a slag, a strumpet or a slapper.

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